Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[Bucks97]

Sorry, I just don't think it's good practice to pay up front. I don't pay my barber, dentist, lawyer, plumber, contractor, accountant, etc, etc, up front. I don't think you pay (or tip) for a service before it is received. I understand that some providers are worried about being ripped off, just as some of us are worried about non performance of services contracted. Being in business requires taking financial risks, but in no way should it ever be a risk to safety.

I also believe that a seller has the right to set his, or her, price no matter what is being sold. The buyer also has the right to ask if a better deal or discount is available. If not available the seller should just say no, then it's up to the buyer to decide to proceed with the transaction or not. It's the way businesses operate, especially a personal service service business.

Obviously if buyers, sellers and posters would just treat each other with respect this board, this business and this hobby would be much more enjoyable.

That's my 2 cents.

Have fun, be safe.

B

That with your barber, lawyer, accountant, dentist, contractor etc. You're not engaging them anonymously for an illegal activity in a private room where you enjoy considerable physical advantages. And, in at least some of those other cases, a retainer or upfront insurance information is required. So I'm not sure the analogy on upfront payment is quite spot on.

By the nature of this board, we hear a lot about the ripoffs of customers by providers. But my guess is that it happens the other way around a lot more often.

Just sayin, I haven't always paid upfront, but will do so if asked and the situation feels right.

[PhatDaty]

I don't mind hair, as long as your are well clean, and I haven't had a problem with that with any of my clients. I even have shaved 3 of my clients and it was rather erotic and very sensual. If you come from work, or not straight from home, you have been more than courteous to take a quick shower to freshen up the boys and I very much appreciate that.

Be Safe,

Ally

Ally has a great point, if you aren't going to trim, or shave, at least wash WITH SOAP!

LOL!

To answer Sylvie's question, one possible answer for not shaving or trimming things neatly is that they may have a wife or girlfriend. It is no secret that many "attached" guys hobby for the oral sex. They may not be getting that at home. That can put them in a bind if they have never shaved or trimmed before down there.

Try to think like the other woman for a moment. Just imagine how many red flags that would set off if your husband or boyfriend suddenly began shaving or trimming down there, and also being keenly aware that you were not giving him blowjobs and that it was a hot-point in your relationship?

That is no excuse for not being clean though. Just one reason why a guy might not be doing radical changes in his grooming.

Luckily, I have a perfect excuse, being a bit overweight-pubic hair has chaffing issues.

Ally, I love the idea of a shaving session-that does sound erotic-do you charge extra? LOL! I was just thinking how damn hard it is for a guy of my girth to be sure he is shaving everything, and also not trying to shave-by-feel around something so. Well, vulnerable.

-PD

[SoloHunter]

Erika and I have encountered a rash of creeps in the last few days, from people trying to hurt us, to people who enjoy the session and then don't pay, (oops forgot my wallet! What man walks out of the house without their wallet) to those guys that want to pay for a half hour then stay an hour or more and just chit chat.

We have even had two dudes on seperate occassions that never made an appointment, but somehow knew where we were, then just stopped by, waited in the lobby followed us back to the room, when we would not see them, they called the cops from the hall of the incall, and gave them the room number. Twice that has happened.

I had a black dude the other day, who I knew, but had never had as a client, who was simply too large of a member to fit inside of me, who forced me down and basically rapes me, then took his money off of the table, while I was crying, and walked out.

We do our very best to keep casual, and to be polite and non invasive with clients, but its starting to really get to us.

We don't want to go the bodyguard route cause it will scare the legitimate clients off, but this crap is getting ridiculous. Were both about 125 pounds, not enough mass to deal with a bad client, so we have to do something to protect ourselves from these types of guys.

Were having to go to pay up front instead of paying at the end, staying within minutes of a support person if we have to holler for help.

Jackson needs to have a section where we can post the informaton we have on creeps so other providers can avoid them, from no shows, to non payers, to these scary types.

This kind of crap happens to providers, so it is what it is, but we are going to step our game to protect ourselves.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Crissee

Crissee,

I realize I have never met you, but was quite disturbed when I read your post. I certainly don't have the solution for you, but I wish / hope this is an isolated incident and will never happen againg

Please stay safe, Solo

[Buster6914]

Sorry, I just don't think it's good practice to pay up front. I don't pay my barber, dentist, lawyer, plumber, contractor, accountant, etc, etc, up front. I don't think you pay (or tip) for a service before it is received. I understand that some providers are worried about being ripped off, just as some of us are worried about non performance of services contracted. Being in business requires taking financial risks, but in no way should it ever be a risk to safety.

I also believe that a seller has the right to set his, or her, price no matter what is being sold. The buyer also has the right to ask if a better deal or discount is available. If not available the seller should just say no, then it's up to the buyer to decide to proceed with the transaction or not. It's the way businesses operate, especially a personal service service business.

Obviously if buyers, sellers and posters would just treat each other with respect this board, this business and this hobby would be much more enjoyable.

That's my 2 cents.

Have fun, be safe.

B

[RegulatorD]

That pisses me off too, since I have seen both Crissie and Erika and both gave great service. There are too many assholes in cincy

[Bucks97]

Erika and I have encountered a rash of creeps in the last few days, from people trying to hurt us, to people who enjoy the session and then don't pay, (oops forgot my wallet! What man walks out of the house without their wallet) to those guys that want to pay for a half hour then stay an hour or more and just chit chat.

We have even had two dudes on seperate occassions that never made an appointment, but somehow knew where we were, then just stopped by, waited in the lobby followed us back to the room, when we would not see them, they called the cops from the hall of the incall, and gave them the room number. Twice that has happened.

I had a black dude the other day, who I knew, but had never had as a client, who was simply too large of a member to fit inside of me, who forced me down and basically rapes me, then took his money off of the table, while I was crying, and walked out.

We do our very best to keep casual, and to be polite and non invasive with clients, but its starting to really get to us.

We don't want to go the bodyguard route cause it will scare the legitimate clients off, but this crap is getting ridiculous. Were both about 125 pounds, not enough mass to deal with a bad client, so we have to do something to protect ourselves from these types of guys.

Were having to go to pay up front instead of paying at the end, staying within minutes of a support person if we have to holler for help.

Jackson needs to have a section where we can post the informaton we have on creeps so other providers can avoid them, from no shows, to non payers, to these scary types.

This kind of crap happens to providers, so it is what it is, but we are going to step our game to protect ourselves.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Crissee

I don't know if there's ever going to be a section to list bad clients, though it wouldn't be a bad idea. As it is, there are enough providers on the boards now that it shouldn't be hard to make a list of them and share your info via PMs. And, honestly, this information could be posted in general reports or rants and raves too. Since it may involve PII, it's probably best left to PMs anyway though.

No one should ever be raped under any circumstances. Because of the circumstances in your case, your ability to prosecute it is practically nil, which is unfortunate.

Unlike some others on here, I don't have any qualms about putting my money down upfront, for the very reason that I understand providers have a legitimate risk of being ripped off and are at a disadvantage physically in any altercation (at least I am unlikely to be attracted to a provider who could beat me up.). This has caused me to lose some money, but I do actually think it's fair.

[Dilli Gara]

I have had so many guys try to "negotiate" with me on my rates. They are not negotiable. I'm not lowering them for anyone. Sorry but I have a business to run here and how would you feel if you showed up to get your paycheck and it was half of what you had earned? Youd be pissed right? And when guys cancel and say "oh I'm sorry you're almost here how about another day?" its like what if you showed up to get your check and they told you "its not here maybe another day it will be here." yeah pissed again. So think about that before you bail on an appt. This is how we feed our kids and survive and pay bills. It is my only job. And probably its that way for most of us girls in this business. Some guys think we should lower the rates for them for whatever reason they have and I'm sorry but I only do specials for my regulars bc they keep comin back ya know? I'm sorry I had to get this off my chest its been eating at me all week.

Actually this could have been written by any commissioned sales person or small business owner in the city. I feel your pain every day in my job! And so does every phone solicitor, car salesmen, realtor, loan officer, and other commissioned sales rep. Like it or not, that is the reality of the society and economic situation in our country. Also remember, SHIT HAPPENS! Everyday more and more out of control shit happens in life! It isn't right, but it is reality.

There are many people out there that also feel your pain Sylvie. Hopefully everyone that puts up this kind of crap in their job will make an extra effort to be more considerate!

Thanks for your rant!

Be safe,

Dilli

[Thorbane]

I have had so many guys try to "negotiate" with me on my rates. They are not negotiable. I'm not lowering them for anyone. Sorry but I have a business to run here and how would you feel if you showed up to get your paycheck and it was half of what you had earned? Youd be pissaed right? And when guys cancel and say "oh I'm sorry you're almost here how about another day?" its like what if you showed up to get your check and they told you "its not here maybe another day it will be here." yeah pissed again. So think about that before you bail on an appt. This is how we feed our kids and survive and pay bills. It is my only job. And probably its that way for most of us girls in this business. Some guys think we should lower the rates for them for whatever reason they have and I'm sorry but I only do specials for my regulars bc they keep comin back ya know? I'm sorry I had to get this off my chest its been eating at me all week.

Everyone needs to vent from time to time. As far as negotiating goes I am guilty of that. But I always thought that senior members of this site would get a 10% discount. Now some providers will honor that and some won't. But I agree that you are the one providing the services therefore you should charge and receive what you are asking for. As far as being stood up there no excuse for it. From provider or clients. I know shit happens and my phone died or I need a babysitter excuse. But the way I feel is that were are supposed to be adults and therefore know where we need to be at set time. And if you can't then you need to let that person know. Hope it get better for you and experienceless problems

[Sway2012]

This report makes me very sad. You guys are good ladies and do not deserve to be treated this way. I am so sorry you guys are experiencing this unacceptable behavior. Please be safe and stay close to vetted good clients.

[Gitarzz]

Erika and I have encountered a rash of creeps in the last few days, from people trying to hurt us, to people who enjoy the session and then don't pay, (oops forgot my wallet! What man walks out of the house without their wallet) to those guys that want to pay for a half hour then stay an hour or more and just chit chat.

We have even had two dudes on seperate occassions that never made an appointment, but somehow knew where we were, then just stopped by, waited in the lobby followed us back to the room, when we would not see them, they called the cops from the hall of the incall, and gave them the room number. Twice that has happened.

I had a black dude the other day, who I knew, but had never had as a client, who was simply too large of a member to fit inside of me, who forced me down and basically rapes me, then took his money off of the table, while I was crying, and walked out.

We do our very best to keep casual, and to be polite and non invasive with clients, but its starting to really get to us.

We don't want to go the bodyguard route cause it will scare the legitimate clients off, but this crap is getting ridiculous. Were both about 125 pounds, not enough mass to deal with a bad client, so we have to do something to protect ourselves from these types of guys.

Were having to go to pay up front instead of paying at the end, staying within minutes of a support person if we have to holler for help.

Jackson needs to have a section where we can post the informaton we have on creeps so other providers can avoid them, from no shows, to non payers, to these scary types.

This kind of crap happens to providers, so it is what it is, but we are going to step our game to protect ourselves.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Crissee

Damn that's terrible. I hope you have some good way to communicate to other ladies who these people are and what they've done.

I'd like to think there is some way to let the guys in on these creeps and as a community ostracize these jerks.

[Willow1535]

That is insane that you and the girls have had to deal with this crap. What happened with the guys that called the police and gave them your room number? Since you know the guy that raped you, are you considering pressing charges? He should not get away with it.

Erika and I have encountered a rash of creeps in the last few days, from people trying to hurt us, to people who enjoy the session and then don't pay, (oops forgot my wallet! What man walks out of the house without their wallet) to those guys that want to pay for a half hour then stay an hour or more and just chit chat.

We have even had two dudes on seperate occassions that never made an appointment, but somehow knew where we were, then just stopped by, waited in the lobby followed us back to the room, when we would not see them, they called the cops from the hall of the incall, and gave them the room number. Twice that has happened.

I had a black dude the other day, who I knew, but had never had as a client, who was simply too large of a member to fit inside of me, who forced me down and basically rapes me, then took his money off of the table, while I was crying, and walked out.

We do our very best to keep casual, and to be polite and non invasive with clients, but its starting to really get to us.

We don't want to go the bodyguard route cause it will scare the legitimate clients off, but this crap is getting ridiculous. Were both about 125 pounds, not enough mass to deal with a bad client, so we have to do something to protect ourselves from these types of guys.

Were having to go to pay up front instead of paying at the end, staying within minutes of a support person if we have to holler for help.

Jackson needs to have a section where we can post the informaton we have on creeps so other providers can avoid them, from no shows, to non payers, to these scary types.

This kind of crap happens to providers, so it is what it is, but we are going to step our game to protect ourselves.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Crissee

[TMaxxx5324]

What is up with all the no African American ads, a bratha got a need too. I'm not going to pay you with wooden nickels, and yeah I maybe a little bit more charismatic then some others, but really my green is good too and I just have needs like other people. So if anyone knows anybody who doesn't have barriers, of the color variety, drop me a line because I would like to have a more permanent solution 4 my problem. I'm 46 years old I just want someone to play with.

[MollyDaniels]

I can discuss any type of scientific theory with you when I get back next month.

Raleigh this week, the dirty south next week, and Cancun the week after that.

I'll be back to Cincy around the first of November.

Kisses,

Molly

[JohnGalt10]

I was about to post a rant, but this thread has been pretty rant packed lately, so I decided to post something more on the Rave / Opinion side of things.

I've seen Molly Daniels repeatedly for several months. She has always been relatively easy to contact when I have wanted to schedule a visit. I suppose it could be a case of YMMV with the other providers I've seen, but Molly is the only provider I've ever engaged for an overnight date because I've never found myself bored in her presence.

Part of the reason I find Molly Daniels so captivating, apart from her good looks, is that she is well rounded. I don't mean well rounded in comparison to other providers, I mean in general. I recall one night during a break between one round of adult fun and another, we were talking about research she did during grad school and then began arguing about the theory of Peak Oil. Molly jumped out of bed, plugged her laptop into her TV, and pulled up a graph of Hubbert's Peak. Ok, maybe science isn't your thing, but how many providers would do something like that as they tried to make their case in a debate? I bring up this point because it has been my experience that after an hour, the enchantment that most escorts provide starts to break down; either I get bored with the provider, or she gets bored with me, and the illusion of a GFE starts to crumble. With Molly, this has never happened. Any way, that night, after talking about oil and gas shortages, arguing about the position of certain elements on the periodic table, and discussing the possibility of life on other planets– chemically speaking, Molly broke out a game console and we played video games until after 3am. Playing video games came to an end because of a spontaneous make out session that led us back to playing more adult games until I was completely satisfied. Then we listened to music and talked for at least another hour before falling asleep together. I hope my example illustrates that Molly can find something to entertain anybody. You can engage her in conversation on a wide range of topics: sports, environmental biology, music of any kind, TV and pop culture, current events, literature, or her love of fast cars; or you can have an incredibly hot time in (or out of) bed with her; or you can take her to the stadium to see a game; or take her out to eat. And have her for desert, later. She does it all.

In my opinion, Molly has the perfect combination of ability, freedom, and willingness to provide long GFE appointments. Other providers either lack the experience, or have family obligations that crop up, or just aren't happy to spend so much time being with a hobbyist. But that isn't true of Miss Molly Mae Daniels. She is the real deal. It's a pity for those of us in the Cincinnati area that Molly travels so much, but I suppose a girl's got to do what a girl's got to do.

Awesome report. Would love to discuss the recent events surrounding the Higgs boson while mesmerized by those eyes. Great adventure you had. Stay safe. JG

[AdamP469]

I was about to post a rant, but this thread has been pretty rant packed lately, so I decided to post something more on the Rave / Opinion side of things.

I've seen Molly Daniels repeatedly for several months. She has always been relatively easy to contact when I have wanted to schedule a visit. I suppose it could be a case of YMMV with the other providers I've seen, but Molly is the only provider I've ever engaged for an overnight date because I've never found myself bored in her presence.

Part of the reason I find Molly Daniels so captivating, apart from her good looks, is that she is well rounded. I don't mean well rounded in comparison to other providers, I mean in general. I recall one night during a break between one round of adult fun and another, we were talking about research she did during grad school and then began arguing about the theory of Peak Oil. Molly jumped out of bed, plugged her laptop into her TV, and pulled up a graph of Hubbert's Peak. Ok, maybe science isn't your thing, but how many providers would do something like that as they tried to make their case in a debate? I bring up this point because it has been my experience that after an hour, the enchantment that most escorts provide starts to break down; either I get bored with the provider, or she gets bored with me, and the illusion of a GFE starts to crumble. With Molly, this has never happened. Any way, that night, after talking about oil and gas shortages, arguing about the position of certain elements on the periodic table, and discussing the possibility of life on other planets– chemically speaking, Molly broke out a game console and we played video games until after 3am. Playing video games came to an end because of a spontaneous make out session that led us back to playing more adult games until I was completely satisfied. Then we listened to music and talked for at least another hour before falling asleep together. I hope my example illustrates that Molly can find something to entertain anybody. You can engage her in conversation on a wide range of topics: sports, environmental biology, music of any kind, TV and pop culture, current events, literature, or her love of fast cars; or you can have an incredibly hot time in (or out of) bed with her; or you can take her to the stadium to see a game; or take her out to eat. And have her for desert, later. She does it all.

In my opinion, Molly has the perfect combination of ability, freedom, and willingness to provide long GFE appointments. Other providers either lack the experience, or have family obligations that crop up, or just aren't happy to spend so much time being with a hobbyist. But that isn't true of Miss Molly Mae Daniels. She is the real deal. It's a pity for those of us in the Cincinnati area that Molly travels so much, but I suppose a girl's got to do what a girl's got to do.