Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[TommyJohn]

I swear Ray Alwayscookin is friends with every provider past or present.

[LuckyNutz]

Recently with a couple of providers the last couple of days. A couple of topics were breached that I was given permission to discuss on this board that might help you guys out when dealing with some of the dreams you have.

1. Look guys we complain about girls making us wait for 5,10,15 or even longer when we are out looking to dream. Get so frustrated that we end up leaving and than coming on here to tell the entire world how the girl flaked, crickets, or ghosted us while on our way. But this is what one of my ATF's told me the other day while I visited her. "This guy continues to push back our time! First he said, 1 pm now he is asking for 1:45 pm! What do I do?" Basically told her that if guys are mad that ladies don't understand the value of time than why is it okay the other way. So guys if you schedule a time, understand that the girls time is as valuable as yours. If you know that the time doesn't work than don't continue to push back the time. Just cancel or let them know you won't make it. It goes both ways.

2. Schedules: This is a big issue for both parties. Problem is, if a lady says that she can't do something on the weekend because she has to visit family or wants to recharge why are guys here that force them work on the weekend? Basically threatening to never see them again or going on the board and saying they flaked or were bitchy. What we don't get is that if a lady isn't feeling it, than what type of dream will you have? Probably nothing like you've read or worse experience. Just go by their schedule, if you can only do the weekends and they aren't available don't press the subject. Let the ladies recharge.

3. Forgetting this is a hobby. Guys don't try and make this personal and text or call your dreams if you aren't going to schedule an appointment. Some ladies don't want this personal, they want to have a private life. Don't ask them for personal info, I'm sure you don't want the knowing about you as well. Don't look for their social media accounts and be nosy. I've come to a realization that if a lady wants a personal relationship, than its all business until they decide to state otherwise. But don't offer to help or be annoying by texting all the time when you aren't going to schedule an appointment.

Just know the ladies are human. They have a personal life, if you are lucky down the road it might be they allow you into their inner circle but let them decide when that might be. Don't get butthurt if they decide to keep it business and just remember this is a dream not a date for the most part.

[UOnlyLiveOnce]

This is in reference to a monger's post in another thread, where he questioned whether a particular provider has a real, normal job like she claims in her ads.

I've never seen that particular provider, so I can't say about her. I have come across a couple who claimed to have a regular job and it appeared they actually did. In one case, I saw her work I'd badge. There are probably other cases where the provider is telling the truth, simply because so many places are desperate for workers. I'm sure a lot of restaurants, retail places, etc. Look the other way on an applicant's record or whatever if they actually show up to work.

I'm also sure there are plenty of cases where the provider claims this and its probably BS. I think providers are more likely to lie about being college students. They know a lot of guys are turned on by the prospect of nailing a college chick and they'll say whatever to get them in the door. The few who are in college are probably "attending" one of those ripoff private online places.

[Dear Prudence]

So are you saying the providers get to approve the review or they can have it deleted if they don't like the review? Please explain.

If the providers complain about a review they can have your account suspended. Either that or the sites will do it automatically since the providers are the paying customer.

[Sala Mander]

"The last time that I was at Sakura, Lisa told me that the beauty salon next door was complaining about them. ".

Buy a round for your better half at the beauty shop, while getting relaxed next doors. Thats healthy!

Cheers.

[Golden3]

A few thoughts, did Sakura get raided I saw nothing on the news or in the paper. The media usually like to splash this all over. Or did LEO just tell them better stop. Thoughts about pm for the most part they are safer but we don't know who we are. pm to could be LEO (I bet they are on this board) when yoyo got busted in June I asked some questions and one guy seemed to know a lot, he posted their were no cameras. How did he know so how do they get them. Any thoughts.

There is a high mortality rate for small businesses of all kinds. When an AMP closes, it might not be because of a raid. Nearby residents or other businesses might be giving them a hard time, or they might just be having business problems. Years ago, there was a place in NKY that I frequented, VIP Makeovers. When it closed, some people said that they had been busted, and some people said that the owner (Mimi. Who, BTW, gave me my first AMP FS) got sick. Either one could be true. The last time that I was at Sakura, Lisa told me that the beauty salon next door was complaining about them.

[WhereDreamsGo]

I would like to know just how LEO gets their information to get the girls, how do they record them, video them, how do they get them to say something. Or do they just arrest them with just a shred of information, the girls are either to scared or can't afford a lawyer. So they just fold up the tent and move on to the next city. Just a big waste of taxpayer money.

Have not been involved in a bust, but have known providers who were, and have talked to cops who were trying. Basically, to do it right, they have to get the girl to promise in some way to do a sex act, or do the sex act, in return for money, without making the offer themselves. This isn't that hard to do in many cases, and just chatting with them until that happens foots the bill. I think they still work with some kind of remote recording device, so someone needs to be nearby to get the signal, and then do the arrest. But it's still a fairly hard case to prove, and I think in more instances they just get girls on outstanding warrants they already know exist. Any girl arrested for this can get a public defender. And, yes, it's all a waste of money.

The above assumes you're dealing with clean cops. There are also many who aren't above lying or planting evidence when they can get away with it. The best advice is just to stay away from cops.

There are some obvious things to do if stopped by a cop, like answer honestly without incriminating yourself ("I was visiting a friend," if you know her well enough to back this up, or meeting someone "I met on the internet" if not). Cops may casually ask if they can search your car or look at your phone, at which point you can casually suggest they get a search warrant if they want to do that. Now, if you're caught in a sting and already have said the magic words of some sort, they've got probable cause and may not need a warrant, or can keep your phone until they get one. In that case, just say you want to talk to your lawyer and have nothing else to say. Otherwise, after answering a reasonable number of questions, when it's clear they have no reason to detain you, make clear you've got somewhere else to be and ask whether you're under arrest, which, if you're not, it's time to go.

On the intel front, I'm not so sure there's nothing LEO could learn of value from this site, like which massage parlors offer extras, or which providers in which parlors do, but also I suspect they're usually not that well organized.

Very close to 100% of the reviews / comments, especially on LC, that say some provider is working with the cops, are false. Even in cases where this might appear to have happened, it's more likely the cop got the provider's phone and used it after she was arrested, or just spoofed the number. That sort of thing has happened to me at least a few times (at least twice getting messages from a provider's number after she was in custody). That's not the same as her working with cops. If you start getting texts from a provider that don't make sense, seem out of character, are vague in a way that seems designed to get you to get specific about money or something, just stop texting and don't show up certainly. It's likely either a cop or some form of significant other in search of evidence or a setup. But if LEO really is doing an ad to run a sting, you think they're going to leave it up to accumulate comments after the sting? If cops are hanging around a provider's place, it's either that she's drawn too much attention to herself or is operating in a place that has LEO activity for other reasons, which happens a lot. Again, not the same as the provider working with the cops. Generally, if you see cops, or suspicious cars that look like unmarked vehicles, don't go in, but don't necessarily blame the provider.

[Admin2]

A few thoughts, did Sakura get raided I saw nothing on the news or in the paper. The media usually like to splash this all over. Or did LEO just tell them better stop. Thoughts about pm for the most part they are safer but we don't know who we are. pm to could be LEO (I bet they are on this board) when yoyo got busted in June I asked some questions and one guy seemed to know a lot, he posted their were no cameras. How did he know so how do they get them. Any thoughts.

You are seriously saying that because a cop told them not to print something a media outlet just said "ok?" Seriously? If cops told them not to publish something I promise you it's page 1 above the fold the same day, the same fucking day.

And cops on the forum, some of you guys always say that. Why? Exactly what would they do here besides gather evidence that is inadmissible in any court? And don't say "getting intel" like you work for the CIA, there is nothing any of you guys post that cops don't already know. This is not Silk Road and you guys are not DPR, you aren't crime lords you are guys getting hand jobs.

A2.

[ProoMan]

Many dreams about this place. The problem is, you get a newbie that wants to post too much info. We all know, certain information should be left for private messages. It never fails, someone gives up too much info and within a short time, they are closed. If you find a good place, be smart and think about what you post.

A few thoughts, did Sakura get raided I saw nothing on the news or in the paper. The media usually like to splash this all over. Or did LEO just tell them better stop. Thoughts about pm for the most part they are safer but we don't know who we are. pm to could be LEO (I bet they are on this board) when yoyo got busted in June I asked some questions and one guy seemed to know a lot, he posted their were no cameras. How did he know so how do they get them. Any thoughts.

[ProoMan]

There is absolutely zero chance that anything posted on a forum isn't already known to LEO when it comes to massage parlors. Saying folks shouldn't post doesn't help anyone get their HE.

I would like to know just how LEO gets their information to get the girls, how do they record them, video them, how do they get them to say something. Or do they just arrest them with just a shred of information, the girls are either to scared or can't afford a lawyer. So they just fold up the tent and move on to the next city. Just a big waste of taxpayer money.

[Sad Sack]

A buddy of mine informed me that he ran across stings ops at a popular hotel that he frequents this evening.

[Hillbilly Bob]

Look, well aware that at it is a hobby. But if you manage to make a connection where someone becomes an ATF. Its quite difficult not to allow them into your private life a little bit. Personally I don't go in just thinking its a wham-bam thank you scenario. Need to feel comfortable so chatter does ensue. Now if you have an ATF and you are communicating off and on, there is a good chance that you are sharing information. Whether its them visiting your home where there are pictures or maybe grabbing dinner or picking them up. Guess maybe some are jaded, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt until they give me a reason not to.

This is where I disagree I have two favorites I have been seeing for several years. Never have I shared any personal info with them. Don't know what part of town I live in, nothing about my family and no it never a wham-bam thank you scenario. I have even taking them on weekend get away. We just don't talk about personal stuff. Just my thing.

[LuckyNutz]

So last night, one of my old dreams from California called me. She needed to vent to someone about a couple of issues. So here goes.

Having a standing appointment at a certain time, then asking her to push it back an hour and then another hour. When she told the guy she couldn't do the new time, he got upset and told her she was a flake and would write about it.

I told her she wasn't in the wrong and that if he couldn't understand that she had her own things going on than what the hell?

Another time she agreed to do an outcall with one of her regulars. They never talk about the donation as its been the same for the last two years (yes, she tells me everything). He's an hour away, what happens? Well she ends up spending two hours with him. At the end of the night, he gives her a gift basket and less than the normal amount. She asks him about the donation amount provided. He says, "well I didn't have it all and I knew you wouldn't come if I told you and wanted to see you. " Her response, "Ok. Well instead of just telling me ahead of time and letting me know, I'm going to give you a heads up and let you know there will be no more appointments and youll need to find a new ATF. ".

Basically guy is a douche and tried to get a discount while giving her a basket of stuff she most likely doesn't need.

Promise this is the final one, dream girl tells me that a few of the guys she has seen have been trying to invade her privacy. Basically either trying to find her on Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram, whatever else people use nowadays. One guy even went as far as getting her real name to look her up as she has a text now number. The guy found out that she has a boyfriend she is seeing. So during one of his incall visits he asks if she's seeing anyone. To hold on to the fantasy, she tells the guy no. He calls her a liar and that he saw on social media that she was dating someone. He than proceeded to go onto a California site to let everyone know.

My response was, just don't deal with him. People shouldn't be nosy especially when guys complain about their privacy being violated when you ask for verification of who they are.

MORAL: Guys the reason some of these ladies disappear is because they become jaded and aren't given the privacy they deserve. If we personally don't like having to give out our information, why would you be okay getting their's. The funny thing is that most people on the site that complain about their privacy being violated are also the ones that look for their personal information.

Nutz off.

[LuckyNutz]

How do I saw Never give out your personal info. This is a hobby and you keep it separate from your private life. If they want verification we are safe give them a few providers name an number you have seen. They san also check you reviews on this web-site. If that don't work move on. No pictures of yourself, No drivers license, Pay stubs, work place. Nothing personal. It will come back to bit you in the ass.

Look, well aware that at it is a hobby. But if you manage to make a connection where someone becomes an ATF. Its quite difficult not to allow them into your private life a little bit. Personally I don't go in just thinking its a wham-bam thank you scenario. Need to feel comfortable so chatter does ensue. Now if you have an ATF and you are communicating off and on, there is a good chance that you are sharing information. Whether its them visiting your home where there are pictures or maybe grabbing dinner or picking them up. Guess maybe some are jaded, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt until they give me a reason not to.

[Sgwaboe]

Which is more important to you? Obviously, you want both and sometimes can find that but if you had to choose, what would you say is more important? For me, without question, it is enthusiasm. In fact, I have been with some gorgeous women who I could not get into at all because they were just going through the motions. Your thoughts?

I want to spend my hard earned $ on a woman that really gets into it and me, or can at least believably fake it. But then again, I've been single for a while now, and most times anymore I'm just looking for a hot f**k. Oral skills are definitely a priority as well and, whether you guys agree or disagree, they are most assuredly lacking from a lot of providers in this area. Maybe they've just been told for too long that simply bobbing on the pole is a great BJ. Or maybe I'm just a jaded old man.