Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[First Half]

Am I the only one that thinks tbe majority if not all the providers are charging to much fucking money?

Theres no way a bng should ever be $60 or even $40 that shit is ridiculous. And when I see a provider for cfs I don't have the time to spend with them. So I seek a qv. I want to get in get off snd get out chances are fifteen minutes and I'm out the door. I don't need to be cuddled or sweet talked so why the hell would I pay $60 $80 or $100 or more. I'm not a bad looking fella and ill be damned if I'm going to pay these broads more by the half hour than I make myself in a whole hour. The sad thing is fellow mongers pay these outrageous prices and these girls feel like there entitled because of it. I understand that some girls are better looking than others but in the end its the same fucking result. I'm going to drop my load and be out.

That pays premium rates for all those services you don't like. I'm glad I'm ruining it for you, because you appear to be a dick.

[Fdx17]

You are new so have some things to learn. Your name can be interpreted by some as being a cop. When you call up a provider, they do not know who you are so are being extra careful. Are you experienced with references, a newbie or a cop? Never ask in detail what they offer. They are being careful so don't want to tell the wrong person details of what they do. Once you have seen some providers and they can give you a reference, the ladies will talk more. Same in regards to asking too specific a question to other Bd members. Read the BDs, gather knowledge, post, and once you have more posting and senior status, you will find many members who are helpful. Just some things to think about.

KC.

It takes time to develop trust. Read the posts. Once you have visited and reported on some providers there is lots of help around here. Include some details you would not know if you had not been there. This will make seasoned veterans more comfortable if they realize the only way you would know this is to have been there. I have seen more than one bogus post knocked out. It is almost comical when you read of someones visit yesterday and 3 veterans come back with she has been on vacation for 2 weeks now.

Once you have a history your reports will not need to include as much detail because the participants will come to trust you.

KC is actually the first on here to give me assistance. His reply did not go into much detail, he simply stated " you will have fun" and boy did I ever. Listen to him. No one starts at the top. If you follow a few rules it may help keep you out of trouble.

Now go have fun.

Fdx.

[Swami222]

I mentioned this in another post but I will talk about it again.

When I talk with a provider to setup something, I always ask about the menu in detail. I have some deal breakers like no dfk, no cim, no deal at all.

Some of the girls are being extremely cautious and refuse to talk about these details on the phone. They think I am a cop to hunt them down on the phone. Somehow, they believe providing this info on the phone will get them arrested.

Some of them tells me that they will not provide this information on the phone. That's fine, I just move on.

Some of them breaks the communication at that point. That is rude.

Some of them are just plain crazy. A couple of them asked me to send them a picture of my tool with my face in it, just to prove that I am not a cop. Ohh really?

I don't know the right word for this (weird, funny, annoying, absurd or whatever) but the most common response is "We will talk when you are here". I will not be there if I can't get answers to my questions honey. Why would I drive all the way to you, just to get my answers and then decide to stay or not stay after talking with you?!

Anyway, by now I got used to this and nothing much surprises me in this subject anymore. I just move on and don't think about it too much. Like I said, I believe some of these girls are extremely cautious but some of them are just plain idiots.

Now this happened to me very recently.

I PMed a senior member about a contact infomation which he possibly might have and I got this reply. Not the same exact words but something in this line.

"Mr. Deepblue with 5 posts, I will not share it with you OFFICER".

Sometimes I am wondering how these people with this much stupidity can manage to survive life? Sometimes I am thinking, this much "stupidity" should be a crime and these people should be locked up.

Then I remember the infamous saying "Ignorance is bliss".

Maybe they are having a happier life than I am just because they are plain stupid.

I am NOT here to offend anybody, just saying.

By posting something useful. An actual review would be astonishing, although I doubt any gal will see you. You seem like too much of a douche.

[ClassASweetie]

I mentioned this in another post but I will talk about it again.

When I talk with a provider to setup something, I always ask about the menu in detail. I have some deal breakers like no dfk, no cim, no deal at all.

Some of the girls are being extremely cautious and refuse to talk about these details on the phone. They think I am a cop to hunt them down on the phone. Somehow, they believe providing this info on the phone will get them arrested.

Some of them tells me that they will not provide this information on the phone. That's fine, I just move on.

Some of them breaks the communication at that point. That is rude.

Some of them are just plain crazy. A couple of them asked me to send them a picture of my tool with my face in it, just to prove that I am not a cop. Ohh really?

I don't know the right word for this (weird, funny, annoying, absurd or whatever) but the most common response is "We will talk when you are here". I will not be there if I can't get answers to my questions honey. Why would I drive all the way to you, just to get my answers and then decide to stay or not stay after talking with you?!

Anyway, by now I got used to this and nothing much surprises me in this subject anymore. I just move on and don't think about it too much. Like I said, I believe some of these girls are extremely cautious but some of them are just plain idiots.

Now this happened to me very recently.

I PMed a senior member about a contact infomation which he possibly might have and I got this reply. Not the same exact words but something in this line.

"Mr. Deepblue with 5 posts, I will not share it with you OFFICER".

Sometimes I am wondering how these people with this much stupidity can manage to survive life? Sometimes I am thinking, this much "stupidity" should be a crime and these people should be locked up.

Then I remember the infamous saying "Ignorance is bliss".

Maybe they are having a happier life than I am just because they are plain stupid.

I am NOT here to offend anybody, just saying.

Us providers need safety too and for us to talk about our menus to a stranger on other end of phone is a no no. We don't know who you are, what you are, what your about and what your going to do. We take enuf risk but we are far from stupid when it comes to safety. You obviously don't care about safety at all. How do you ever know who your really talking too. Unless it's a well reviewed provider as myself you actually wouldn't know. I don't even talk menu over phone with seniors or after reference verification. Reviews say it all though and unless you research your most likely not going to know anything on a provider. But for real to call us stupid and downgrade us like this, is flat out disrespectful and rude. We are humans too and have family kids etc. You are not worth us losing everything we have because of your selfishness. Money doesn't come first to me and some other providers but safety does. I really think you need to quite thinking of only yourself and quite being selfish and show some respect. Just saying.

[Nky777]

Am I the only one that thinks tbe majority if not all the providers are charging to much fucking money?

Theres no way a bng should ever be $60 or even $40 that shit is ridiculous. And when I see a provider for cfs I don't have the time to spend with them. So I seek a qv. I want to get in get off snd get out chances are fifteen minutes and I'm out the door. I don't need to be cuddled or sweet talked so why the hell would I pay $60 $80 or $100 or more. I'm not a bad looking fella and ill be damned if I'm going to pay these broads more by the half hour than I make myself in a whole hour. The sad thing is fellow mongers pay these outrageous prices and these girls feel like there entitled because of it. I understand that some girls are better looking than others but in the end its the same fucking result. I'm going to drop my load and be out.

[D Nut]

I read his posts and I've seen nothing that would allow me to trust him with info. You can't get specific with girls on the phone or text it's way to incriminating, I don't know what this guys rant is about but to me it's pure BS and post count buildup. HL29.

One thing though. He has the matter-of-fact demeanor of a seasoned / jaded veteran monger. It took me at least 100 posts before I developed that much sense of entitlement and overall level of douchbagginess.

[First Half]

If you had bothered to read anything on here you'd know that nearly all of the things you post below are verboten in the world of pay for play, plus you decided to create a username that elicits quite a bit of suspicion in these parts. Then you label everyone that doesn't trust you or want to cooperate ignorant?

I'm surprised you have managed to get laid at all if you're for real, because you are pretty ignorant.

Not trying to offend you. Just sayin.

I mentioned this in another post but I will talk about it again.

When I talk with a provider to setup something, I always ask about the menu in detail. I have some deal breakers like no dfk, no cim, no deal at all.

Some of the girls are being extremely cautious and refuse to talk about these details on the phone. They think I am a cop to hunt them down on the phone. Somehow, they believe providing this info on the phone will get them arrested.

Some of them tells me that they will not provide this information on the phone. That's fine, I just move on.

Some of them breaks the communication at that point. That is rude.

Some of them are just plain crazy. A couple of them asked me to send them a picture of my tool with my face in it, just to prove that I am not a cop. Ohh really?

I don't know the right word for this (weird, funny, annoying, absurd or whatever) but the most common response is "We will talk when you are here". I will not be there if I can't get answers to my questions honey. Why would I drive all the way to you, just to get my answers and then decide to stay or not stay after talking with you?!

Anyway, by now I got used to this and nothing much surprises me in this subject anymore. I just move on and don't think about it too much. Like I said, I believe some of these girls are extremely cautious but some of them are just plain idiots.

Now this happened to me very recently.

I PMed a senior member about a contact infomation which he possibly might have and I got this reply. Not the same exact words but something in this line.

"Mr. Deepblue with 5 posts, I will not share it with you OFFICER".

Sometimes I am wondering how these people with this much stupidity can manage to survive life? Sometimes I am thinking, this much "stupidity" should be a crime and these people should be locked up.

Then I remember the infamous saying "Ignorance is bliss".

Maybe they are having a happier life than I am just because they are plain stupid.

I am NOT here to offend anybody, just saying.

[HuntLadys29]

The deal is pretty straightforward. Saying it's "this much money and I do xyz" is evidence of intent to sell "xyz" for "this much" money. Hard to back away from that. Or pretend it was just for her time. So that is why most will avoid it. Might even scare experienced men away if she discussed business over the phone or in text. Same reason we don't hand the money directly to her. Because it creates a small window of deniability. You just put the money down. She picks it up later. You didn't give her the money. She found the money. It's bullshit. But technically it might be enough to wiggle out of a bad time.

As far as anyone choosing not to share information with you. They don't know you. They only have a few posts to get a feel for who you might be. What kind of guy you are. Why should you be shared with at all? Why should a guy take a chance on you? See the parallel? Also. Your name is deepblue. Would be stupid of cops to call themselves that. But cops who work a useless beat like vice. Well. I think most of us would call anyone who dedicates their life to immorally upholding a law that is unjust as being the worst kind of stooge. Seems like if you were willing to compromise your honor in this way. You might also be an idiot.

I read his posts and I've seen nothing that would allow me to trust him with info. You can't get specific with girls on the phone or text it's way to incriminating, I don't know what this guys rant is about but to me it's pure BS and post count buildup. HL29.

[Velvet Rayne]

I mentioned this in another post but I will talk about it again.

When I talk with a provider to setup something, I always ask about the menu in detail. I have some deal breakers like no dfk, no cim, no deal at all.

Some of the girls are being extremely cautious and refuse to talk about these details on the phone. They think I am a cop to hunt them down on the phone. Somehow, they believe providing this info on the phone will get them arrested.

Some of them tells me that they will not provide this information on the phone. That's fine, I just move on.

Some of them breaks the communication at that point. That is rude.

Some of them are just plain crazy. A couple of them asked me to send them a picture of my tool with my face in it, just to prove that I am not a cop. Ohh really?

I don't know the right word for this (weird, funny, annoying, absurd or whatever) but the most common response is "We will talk when you are here". I will not be there if I can't get answers to my questions honey. Why would I drive all the way to you, just to get my answers and then decide to stay or not stay after talking with you?!

Anyway, by now I got used to this and nothing much surprises me in this subject anymore. I just move on and don't think about it too much. Like I said, I believe some of these girls are extremely cautious but some of them are just plain idiots.

Now this happened to me very recently.

I PMed a senior member about a contact infomation which he possibly might have and I got this reply. Not the same exact words but something in this line.

"Mr. Deepblue with 5 posts, I will not share it with you OFFICER".

Sometimes I am wondering how these people with this much stupidity can manage to survive life? Sometimes I am thinking, this much "stupidity" should be a crime and these people should be locked up.

Then I remember the infamous saying "Ignorance is bliss".

Maybe they are having a happier life than I am just because they are plain stupid.

I am NOT here to offend anybody, just saying.

I have to have seen you before I would even think about talking about what I offer. You can however look at my past reviews and my website if you would like to know more. It is for safety reasons the same reasons I ask for references it is not only for my safety but, for yours as well. Hope this helps you understand a little bit.

Always,

VR.

[TheGardener1]

I mentioned this in another post but I will talk about it again.

When I talk with a provider to setup something, I always ask about the menu in detail. I have some deal breakers like no dfk, no cim, no deal at all.

Some of the girls are being extremely cautious and refuse to talk about these details on the phone. They think I am a cop to hunt them down on the phone. Somehow, they believe providing this info on the phone will get them arrested.

Some of them tells me that they will not provide this information on the phone. That's fine, I just move on.

Some of them breaks the communication at that point. That is rude.

Some of them are just plain crazy. A couple of them asked me to send them a picture of my tool with my face in it, just to prove that I am not a cop. Ohh really?

I don't know the right word for this (weird, funny, annoying, absurd or whatever) but the most common response is "We will talk when you are here". I will not be there if I can't get answers to my questions honey. Why would I drive all the way to you, just to get my answers and then decide to stay or not stay after talking with you?!

Anyway, by now I got used to this and nothing much surprises me in this subject anymore. I just move on and don't think about it too much. Like I said, I believe some of these girls are extremely cautious but some of them are just plain idiots.

Now this happened to me very recently.

I PMed a senior member about a contact infomation which he possibly might have and I got this reply. Not the same exact words but something in this line.

"Mr. Deepblue with 5 posts, I will not share it with you OFFICER".

Sometimes I am wondering how these people with this much stupidity can manage to survive life? Sometimes I am thinking, this much "stupidity" should be a crime and these people should be locked up.

Then I remember the infamous saying "Ignorance is bliss".

Maybe they are having a happier life than I am just because they are plain stupid.

I am NOT here to offend anybody, just saying.

Almost all your questions can be answered if you take the time to read reviews. Newer girl with few reviews? Your loss. Look at the more established providers.

[Kc148]

You are new so have some things to learn. Your name can be interpreted by some as being a cop. When you call up a provider, they do not know who you are so are being extra careful. Are you experienced with references, a newbie or a cop? Never ask in detail what they offer. They are being careful so don't want to tell the wrong person details of what they do. Once you have seen some providers and they can give you a reference, the ladies will talk more. Same in regards to asking too specific a question to other Bd members. Read the BDs, gather knowledge, post, and once you have more posting and senior status, you will find many members who are helpful. Just some things to think about.

KC.

I mentioned this in another post but I will talk about it again.

When I talk with a provider to setup something, I always ask about the menu in detail. I have some deal breakers like no dfk, no cim, no deal at all.

Some of the girls are being extremely cautious and refuse to talk about these details on the phone. They think I am a cop to hunt them down on the phone. Somehow, they believe providing this info on the phone will get them arrested.

Some of them tells me that they will not provide this information on the phone. That's fine, I just move on.

Some of them breaks the communication at that point. That is rude.

Some of them are just plain crazy. A couple of them asked me to send them a picture of my tool with my face in it, just to prove that I am not a cop. Ohh really?

I don't know the right word for this (weird, funny, annoying, absurd or whatever) but the most common response is "We will talk when you are here". I will not be there if I can't get answers to my questions honey. Why would I drive all the way to you, just to get my answers and then decide to stay or not stay after talking with you?!

Anyway, by now I got used to this and nothing much surprises me in this subject anymore. I just move on and don't think about it too much. Like I said, I believe some of these girls are extremely cautious but some of them are just plain idiots.

Now this happened to me very recently.

I PMed a senior member about a contact infomation which he possibly might have and I got this reply. Not the same exact words but something in this line.

"Mr. Deepblue with 5 posts, I will not share it with you OFFICER".

Sometimes I am wondering how these people with this much stupidity can manage to survive life? Sometimes I am thinking, this much "stupidity" should be a crime and these people should be locked up.

Then I remember the infamous saying "Ignorance is bliss".

Maybe they are having a happier life than I am just because they are plain stupid.

I am NOT here to offend anybody, just saying.

[Grizzler]

I mentioned this in another post but I will talk about it again.

When I talk with a provider to setup something, I always ask about the menu in detail. I have some deal breakers like no dfk, no cim, no deal at all.

Some of the girls are being extremely cautious and refuse to talk about these details on the phone. They think I am a cop to hunt them down on the phone. Somehow, they believe providing this info on the phone will get them arrested.

Some of them tells me that they will not provide this information on the phone. That's fine, I just move on.

Some of them breaks the communication at that point. That is rude.

Some of them are just plain crazy. A couple of them asked me to send them a picture of my tool with my face in it, just to prove that I am not a cop. Ohh really?

I don't know the right word for this (weird, funny, annoying, absurd or whatever) but the most common response is "We will talk when you are here". I will not be there if I can't get answers to my questions honey. Why would I drive all the way to you, just to get my answers and then decide to stay or not stay after talking with you?!

Anyway, by now I got used to this and nothing much surprises me in this subject anymore. I just move on and don't think about it too much. Like I said, I believe some of these girls are extremely cautious but some of them are just plain idiots.

Now this happened to me very recently.

I PMed a senior member about a contact infomation which he possibly might have and I got this reply. Not the same exact words but something in this line.

"Mr. Deepblue with 5 posts, I will not share it with you OFFICER".

Sometimes I am wondering how these people with this much stupidity can manage to survive life? Sometimes I am thinking, this much "stupidity" should be a crime and these people should be locked up.

Then I remember the infamous saying "Ignorance is bliss".

Maybe they are having a happier life than I am just because they are plain stupid.

I am NOT here to offend anybody, just saying.

The deal is pretty straightforward. Saying it's "this much money and I do xyz" is evidence of intent to sell "xyz" for "this much" money. Hard to back away from that. Or pretend it was just for her time. So that is why most will avoid it. Might even scare experienced men away if she discussed business over the phone or in text. Same reason we don't hand the money directly to her. Because it creates a small window of deniability. You just put the money down. She picks it up later. You didn't give her the money. She found the money. It's bullshit. But technically it might be enough to wiggle out of a bad time.

As far as anyone choosing not to share information with you. They don't know you. They only have a few posts to get a feel for who you might be. What kind of guy you are. Why should you be shared with at all? Why should a guy take a chance on you? See the parallel? Also. Your name is deepblue. Would be stupid of cops to call themselves that. But cops who work a useless beat like vice. Well. I think most of us would call anyone who dedicates their life to immorally upholding a law that is unjust as being the worst kind of stooge. Seems like if you were willing to compromise your honor in this way. You might also be an idiot.

[DeepBlue798]

I mentioned this in another post but I will talk about it again.

When I talk with a provider to setup something, I always ask about the menu in detail. I have some deal breakers like no dfk, no cim, no deal at all.

Some of the girls are being extremely cautious and refuse to talk about these details on the phone. They think I am a cop to hunt them down on the phone. Somehow, they believe providing this info on the phone will get them arrested.

Some of them tells me that they will not provide this information on the phone. That's fine, I just move on.

Some of them breaks the communication at that point. That is rude.

Some of them are just plain crazy. A couple of them asked me to send them a picture of my tool with my face in it, just to prove that I am not a cop. Ohh really?

I don't know the right word for this (weird, funny, annoying, absurd or whatever) but the most common response is "We will talk when you are here". I will not be there if I can't get answers to my questions honey. Why would I drive all the way to you, just to get my answers and then decide to stay or not stay after talking with you?!

Anyway, by now I got used to this and nothing much surprises me in this subject anymore. I just move on and don't think about it too much. Like I said, I believe some of these girls are extremely cautious but some of them are just plain idiots.

Now this happened to me very recently.

I PMed a senior member about a contact infomation which he possibly might have and I got this reply. Not the same exact words but something in this line.

"Mr. Deepblue with 5 posts, I will not share it with you OFFICER".

Sometimes I am wondering how these people with this much stupidity can manage to survive life? Sometimes I am thinking, this much "stupidity" should be a crime and these people should be locked up.

Then I remember the infamous saying "Ignorance is bliss".

Maybe they are having a happier life than I am just because they are plain stupid.

I am NOT here to offend anybody, just saying.

[Cincyman513]

In fact, I think she deserves the "Worst Preliminary Skills" award for any legitimate escort. I have gotten two dozen return texts from her, with each one getting my hopes up only to be toyed with, disregarded, and ultimately ignored. The first time I was driving around waiting for the room number only to have her disappear for two hours. Eventually she texted that "something came up" and she wanted to reschedule! I cannot imagine what motivates this seemingly delicious young woman to use her phone the way she does. It would be so much better if she just wouldn't respond unless she was ready for action.

But despite the inconvenience and irritation, she has an almost irresistible allure that requires thinking with the little head.

If I ever visit her and the time comes for mish, I'll probably split her in two.

I went through the same routine about 2 years ago and saw her several times. She was OK but when the communication died I finally decided that I was an idiot to keep trying to see her. So for about 2 years she has been pulling the same shit with everyone. It appears that I am not the only idiot. I have met SO MANY HOT WOMEN with good communication. Not all, but of of them more talented. FORGET HER.

CM513.

[Grizzler]

In fact, I think she deserves the "Worst Preliminary Skills" award for any legitimate escort. I have gotten two dozen return texts from her, with each one getting my hopes up only to be toyed with, disregarded, and ultimately ignored. The first time I was driving around waiting for the room number only to have her disappear for two hours. Eventually she texted that "something came up" and she wanted to reschedule! I cannot imagine what motivates this seemingly delicious young woman to use her phone the way she does. It would be so much better if she just wouldn't respond unless she was ready for action.

But despite the inconvenience and irritation, she has an almost irresistible allure that requires thinking with the little head.

If I ever visit her and the time comes for mish, I'll probably split her in two.

But this what they count on. I don't think she's very attractive so I've never been tempted. So I can see it without the little head interfering. Hearing about her gaming guys without regard for their time just makes her gormless face and shitty attitude look even less attractive. Here is a good read on why these women play us and why they give money they earn to pimps. If you don't think this way naturally. If you have the kind of personality where you keep your self in check and are honorable. This shit will spin your head. http://revolutionarylifestyledesign....omen-and-life/.

Made me rethink how I treat the women I fuck.