JungleWarrior in St. Petersburg

[Malabar]

Lilly who starts on Monday, not Tiny. That is why i said I am going to go broke between her and Madison. She should be fun to try on monday. PM me for details after monday if you want to know.

http://tampa.backpage.com/BodyRubs/l...hottie/3251554

I live on the east coast and I'd road-trip for THAT !!!

WOW

Mal

[Reaper400]

Lilly who starts on Monday, not Tiny. That is why i said I am going to go broke between her and Madison. She should be fun to try on monday. PM me for details after monday if you want to know.

http://tampa.backpage.com/BodyRubs/l...hottie/3251554

If that chick is a real gfe, heaven help anyone in front of me heading to the bank.

My gut says not but if so!

[JungleWarrior]

...what you see as acceptable risk. There's always going to be risk inherent in doing this (at least in these here Oppress-ed States), but I like to keep mine to an absolute minimum. That's why I don't do MPs or incall locations. I'd rather do without than run the risk of LE coming through the door mid-session, or worse, meeting me at the door. Not to mention, of course, the risk of the provider running some kind of Murphy game.

The two times that I've come close to being compromised have both involved going to someone else's location.

The first time was in '96 with an on-again, off-again provider I vaguely knew in Miami. I'd called to see if she would meet me at a motel (of my choosing) for a session, which would have been our first. She kind of blew me off, saying it was close to the holidays and she was getting ready to go out of town with family. A few weeks later, she called me out of the blue, all tense sounding, and made a point of repeating our previous conversation in great detail. She told me if I still wanted to "get together" I could come to her hotel (even though she had a house and I knew she did incall there). I said no and found out later that she'd gotten busted and was working off charges by setting up her clients for a sting.

The second was about 10 years ago at a lingerie shop in Columbus, Ga. that was actually a LE sting. I realized it when the "provider" checked my DL, then left the room (presumably so she could pass on my name and DOB for a wants/warrants search). When she came back to ask what I wanted, she casually mentioned that since I was from out of town, I might not know there was a local ordinance against private "lap dancing." To that point, I hadn't done anything illegal and decided to leave. As she was walking me out, she made a point to loudly announce to the other "providers" and the guy manning the door that I should "come back any time that you JUST WANT TO TALK again."

By the way, strippers are not that difficult at all. Yes, asking some random dancer to blow you for a Jackson five minutes after you walk in the door is a good way to get tossed and banned. It's also crude and an asshole move. At best, you're going to look like one more tool of the 10,000 tools that she has to deal with regularly. At worst, you're going to look like a clueless LEO.

You just have to be patient, subtle and respectful. You know, treat them like people that you value, instead of like sex automatons, the way many mongers seem to do. Visit the club a few times just get to know them. Follow the rules and tip well and don't expect anything. You'll quickly learn which ones are up for take-out and which aren't. Then, there's no problem if you casually and politely ask a dancer if she does any work outside the club. Hell, most of them will bring it up themselves.

My few mistakes aside, that's almost exclusively how I've met providers in the past, and still do on rare occasions, and I have never had a single problem. (Oh, and I'm not rich or good-looking.) The majority of the time, they say Yes, give great service, and don't ask for much money. When they do say No, it's no big deal. A few years ago, at a club outside D.C., a dancer turned me down, but then gave me a kiss and said "thank you...at least you asked nicely."

And always make sure you take real good care of the bartender, whether a man or woman. More than once, I've had strip-club bartenders return the favor by steering the right dancers to me.

That is useful information. My only problem is, you are playing crap-shoots. What if you repeated visits don't pay off, and you spend that on door fees, lapdances, drinks, etc?

[Old Skul]

a quick way to get throw out the club and blacklisted never to come back. Some people are good at picking up street walkers, some guys know how to pick up strippers, some are comfortable with escorts or UTR girls, and some people like MPs. Not everyone wants to pick up a SW or ask the wrong girl at a club, that leaves escorts.

...what you see as acceptable risk. There's always going to be risk inherent in doing this (at least in these here Oppress-ed States), but I like to keep mine to an absolute minimum. That's why I don't do MPs or incall locations. I'd rather do without than run the risk of LE coming through the door mid-session, or worse, meeting me at the door. Not to mention, of course, the risk of the provider running some kind of Murphy game.

The two times that I've come close to being compromised have both involved going to someone else's location.

The first time was in '96 with an on-again, off-again provider I vaguely knew in Miami. I'd called to see if she would meet me at a motel (of my choosing) for a session, which would have been our first. She kind of blew me off, saying it was close to the holidays and she was getting ready to go out of town with family. A few weeks later, she called me out of the blue, all tense sounding, and made a point of repeating our previous conversation in great detail. She told me if I still wanted to "get together" I could come to her hotel (even though she had a house and I knew she did incall there). I said no and found out later that she'd gotten busted and was working off charges by setting up her clients for a sting.

The second was about 10 years ago at a lingerie shop in Columbus, Ga. that was actually a LE sting. I realized it when the "provider" checked my DL, then left the room (presumably so she could pass on my name and DOB for a wants/warrants search). When she came back to ask what I wanted, she casually mentioned that since I was from out of town, I might not know there was a local ordinance against private "lap dancing." To that point, I hadn't done anything illegal and decided to leave. As she was walking me out, she made a point to loudly announce to the other "providers" and the guy manning the door that I should "come back any time that you JUST WANT TO TALK again."

By the way, strippers are not that difficult at all. Yes, asking some random dancer to blow you for a Jackson five minutes after you walk in the door is a good way to get tossed and banned. It's also crude and an asshole move. At best, you're going to look like one more tool of the 10,000 tools that she has to deal with regularly. At worst, you're going to look like a clueless LEO.

You just have to be patient, subtle and respectful. You know, treat them like people that you value, instead of like sex automatons, the way many mongers seem to do. Visit the club a few times just get to know them. Follow the rules and tip well and don't expect anything. You'll quickly learn which ones are up for take-out and which aren't. Then, there's no problem if you casually and politely ask a dancer if she does any work outside the club. Hell, most of them will bring it up themselves.

My few mistakes aside, that's almost exclusively how I've met providers in the past, and still do on rare occasions, and I have never had a single problem. (Oh, and I'm not rich or good-looking.) The majority of the time, they say Yes, give great service, and don't ask for much money. When they do say No, it's no big deal. A few years ago, at a club outside D.C., a dancer turned me down, but then gave me a kiss and said "thank you...at least you asked nicely."

And always make sure you take real good care of the bartender, whether a man or woman. More than once, I've had strip-club bartenders return the favor by steering the right dancers to me.

[JungleWarrior]

http://tampa.backpage.com/FemaleEsco...200-20/3250544

I wonder sometimes when the pictures are too hot it is too good to be true but this girl's pic look incredible. I'm low on funds this month but hoping to find out if she is a verified sure thing from someone who has the funds to TOFTT.

I am willing to bet fake photos. The phone numbers goes back to another ad with the same phone number

http://tampa.backpage.com/FemaleEsco...all-25/3075500

And that ads photos are obvious fakes and there was also a nother website's review also saying fake photos. I would pass. I have the funds, just not worth using them on an obvious fake.

[JungleWarrior]

New girl, a young beauty, Lilly to start Monday 3PM shift.

Lilly who starts on Monday, not Tiny. That is why i said I am going to go broke between her and Madison. She should be fun to try on monday. PM me for details after monday if you want to know.

http://tampa.backpage.com/BodyRubs/l...hottie/3251554

[JungleWarrior]

Actually, this is why I think mongers are much better off avoiding MPs and any other incall location and sticking to strip club take-out, independent outcall escorts or SWs, as a last resort. You cut your risk considerably that way. And, of course, only in a motel room that YOU select, never at a motel she recommends and never at your own home. Personally, I've never used my car, either.

a quick way to get throw out the club and blacklisted never to come back. Some people are good at picking up street walkers, some guys know how to pick up strippers, some are comfortable with escorts or UTR girls, and some people like MPs. Not everyone wants to pick up a SW or ask the wrong girl at a club, that leaves escorts.

[Old Skul]

This info is all nice and sweet but you can't control the environment if you are going inside a AMP, Aromatherapy shop, Lingerie shop. Sure you can park 2-3 blocks down the street and walk, but that's all you can do. Unless you are going to stop visiting these kinds of places, you have to becareful as you said.

Actually, this is why I think mongers are much better off avoiding MPs and any other incall location and sticking to strip club take-out, independent outcall escorts or SWs, as a last resort. You cut your risk considerably that way. And, of course, only in a motel room that YOU select, never at a motel she recommends and never at your own home. Personally, I've never used my car, either.

[Shadow Rider X]

Was needing some rellief, and been wanting to visit the new girl over at 73rd Madison. That girl is smoking hot. She doesn't have face pics showing in the ads but wow is all I have to say. That girl knows her way around a mans body. On the flip side, I did see a brand new girl that was there too. Not sure what her name is but if she is going to start working at 73rd. than I might go broke between her and Madison.

The owner of the shop had a friend of hers, who is also in the business, come in temporary, to help out. Her name is Tiny, she has very large boobs, that might have been who you saw. She was there on Friday, but may have come back for the weekend.

[Edgar Alan Ho]

Be careful of St pete pigs.

Next time, quote Section 23 of Article 1 of the Florida State Constitution:

SECTION 23. Right of privacy.--Every natural person has the right to be let alone and free from governmental intrusion into the person's private life except as otherwise provided herein. This section shall not be construed to limit the public's right of access to public records and meetings as provided by law.

[Nemodc]

CAPS ARE ADDED BY ME TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC POINTS
Nemo

Yeah but the arresting officer has the right to charge her with what they see fit.

NOT SO MUCH. THE COP BRINGS THE INITIAL CHARGE THAT HE THINKS IS PROPER. HE HAS NO RIGHT TO CHARGE ANYTHING AND CAN ONLY CHARGE WHAT HE BELIEVES THE PROBABLE CAUSE SUPPORTS. THE STATES ATTORNEY REVIEWS THAT. IF HE/SHE DEEMS PROPER THEY REDUCE, AMENDS, ENHANCES, DISMISS OR WHATEVER HE/SHE DECIDES IS APPROPRIATE.

It all depends on the LEO mood at the time. I have seen cases in person, that people got arrested on a DWLSR when it was a Misd and they had no prior arrest records for ANYTHING, and it was their first time getting slapped with a DWLSR. I have also seen people who got charged with DWLSR and it was a felony and all they had to do was pay the ticket (brother got pulled over, given a DWLSR ticket and it was felony charge and paid his fine), and I have also seen people who got charged with a DWLSR and although not technically arrested, were still booked with "paperwork only" charge.

ANYTIME A COP PUTS YOU IN A SITUATION WHERE "A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD NOT FEEL FREE TO LEAVE" THAT PERSON IS IN CUSTODY. THAT IS THE LEGAL DEFINITION. THE REST IS FAIRLY ACCURATE. THE COP GENERALLY DECIDES HOW TO FILE THE CHARGES, WHETHER BY CUSTODIAL ARREST, SUMMONS, NOTICE TO APPEAR OR WHATEVER. IN SOME CASES THERE ARE "MUST BE CUSTODIAL" REQUIREMENTS. DOMESTIC BATTERY IS THE PRIME EXAMPLE.

A third arrest for the same thing if there were 2 prior arrests for prostitution has nothing to do with that person until it goes to trial, and even then, a smart attorney can get that thrown out easily.

EASILY? NOT SO MUCH. IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH HEADACHE THE STATES ATTORNEY WANTS TO BE. IF HE WANTS TO SEND THE LETTERS OR MAKE THE CALLS TO GET THE PAPERWORK-- AND GETS THEM, ITS DAYUM TOUGH TO AVOID THE EHNANCEMENT IF THE CURRENT CASE HAS ALL THE ELEMENTS PROVABLE. SIMPLY BECAUSE THE PRIORS ARE PROVEN WITH THE PAPERWORK.

Notice her arrest record. No prior prostitution arrest in Pinellas, Hills, Pasco, Polk or Manatee county. Is it possible she had 2 prior arrests in other counties? Maybe, but the arresting officer wouldn't know that until she was booked and charged.

YOU THINK A COP CANNOT GET A CRIMINAL HISTORY CHECK DONE BY RADIO AT THE SCENE? WITH IDENTIFYING INFORMATION A NATIONAL CRIME INFORMATION COMPUTER (NCIC) CHECK CAN BE DONE IN ABOUT 30 SECONDS. I'M SURE THE FDLE HAS A SIMILAR SYSTEM ON A STATE BASIS. EVEN IF HE WAITED TO CHECK UNTIL SHE ARRIVED AT THE JAIL, YOU ARE NOT ACTUALLY CHARGED UNTIL THE INTAKE PROCEDURE IS COMPLETED. I AM CONFIDENT A LIVESCAN AND AFIS (AUTOMATED FINGERPRINT IDENTIFICATION SYSTEM) CHECK IS DONE PRIOR TO THAT SO THE CHARGES ARE FILED AS THE FELONY

[SteelThunder]

No smoke,for you either Steel.
Your analysis of the HIV thing is correct. So you get to stand downwind and get secondhand smoke.

YES Steel, IM JUST MESSING WITH YOU AND JungleWarrior.

Nemo

Being a hobbyist, we all have to be able to enjoy the secondhand stuff as long as its a good cigar. Gotta stay away from the stinky ones.

[Old Skul]

Yeah but the arresting officer has the right to charge her with what they see fit. It all depends on the LEO mood at the time. I have seen cases in person, that people got arrested on a DWLSR when it was a Misd and they had no prior arrest records for ANYTHING, and it was their first time getting slapped with a DWLSR. I have also seen people who got charged with DWLSR and it was a felony and all they had to do was pay the ticket (brother got pulled over, given a DWLSR ticket and it was felony charge and paid his fine), and I have also seen people who got charged with a DWLSR and although not technically arrested, were still booked with "paperwork only" charge.

A third arrest for the same thing if there were 2 prior arrests for prostitution has nothing to do with that person until it goes to trial, and even then, a smart attorney can get that thrown out easily. Notice her arrest record. No prior prostitution arrest in Pinellas, Hills, Pasco, Polk or Manatee county. Is it possible she had 2 prior arrests in other counties? Maybe, but the arresting officer wouldn't know that until she was booked and charged.

LEOs can, and often do, get the charges wrong, especially patrol officers who are hurriedly flipping through the Law Enforcement Handbook trying to find the right statute. Sometimes the choices they make can really leave you scratching your head. They also will stack charges, knowing that not all of them will hold up as the case winds through the system. And there is always officer discretion, which is why you might see one officer charge felony DWLSR while another might cut somebody a break and go with misdemeanor DWLSR, even though the circumstances are very similar.

(By the way, the LEO usually knows about a person's previous arrests within a few minutes of making contact. He can call into dispatch for a statewide/national history check, or most agencies have mobile data terminals in their vehicles now that will give him the same info.)

But keep in mind that it's not really LE that OFFICIALLY charges a person with a criminal offense. Once an LEO makes an arrest, an intake prosecutor at the SAO will assess the case and decide, based on the available evidence, which charges can be supported and which cannot. The SAO then files an "information," which is the official charging document. It's very common for the charges contained in the information to be different from those in the original arrest.

Those charges probably are going to change further as the ASA and defense attorney start negotiating, depending on the strength of the state's case. That's why you might see a DUI get dropped down to a reckless driving, or an agg battery get dropped to a simple battery in exchange for a plea.

There's more leeway in the system than you might think, and it all depends on how much of a hardass the agency or the individual wants to be. Some go balls to the wall on violent crime and take a more lenient approach to "quality of life" crimes like prostitution. Some LEOs/prosecutors, or their entire agencies, see themselves as society's avenging angels and want to put everyone away for as long as possible on any violation.

[JungleWarrior]

Was needing some rellief, and been wanting to visit the new girl over at 73rd Madison. That girl is smoking hot. She doesn't have face pics showing in the ads but wow is all I have to say. That girl knows her way around a mans body. On the flip side, I did see a brand new girl that was there too. Not sure what her name is but if she is going to start working at 73rd. than I might go broke between her and Madison.

[Peter Rammer]

for you either Steel. For the charge to be a felony, it requires 2 prior prostitution CONVICTIONS. Not just charges. And they have to be prostitution convictions, not just any garden variety misdemeanors. She could be convicted of the felony or if the evidence did not prove the 2 priors, she could be convicted of the misdemeanor act. The 2 priors convictions are elements of the offense of felony prostitution and must be proven at trial.

As that statute is a STATE statute, it is applicable anywhere in Florida, not just Pinellas county The convictions also can be from anywhere in the state or even other states. Read down one post for that info.

Your analysis of the HIV thing is correct. So you get to stand downwind and get secondhand smoke.

YES Steel, IM JUST MESSING WITH YOU AND JungleWarrior.

Nemo

The first prostitution conviction would be a 2nd degree misdemeanor. Next prostitution conviction would be a 1st degree misdemeanor. 3rd, and any subsequent prostitution convictions, would be 3rd degree felonies. Section 775 of the State Statutes explains this, definitions, sentencing, etc.

For some ladies 3 strikes come rapidly. Others, like backpack Barbie, avoid the prostitution convictions.