Ripoff Reports

[Bunker Buster]

What do most of you do?

Do you still see her if she is not a two bagger?

Do you say goodbye before she steps in the door?

Do you give her cab money?

Thanks from a neophyte.

Most importantly, if you're determined to do outcall, don't deal with an agency or indy that you're not already 100% sure is legit. If you've done your homework, there shouldn't be an issue of an impostor showing up at the door.

In general, when a bait-and-switch has been pulled, you have the option to pull the plug, or proceed. If I'm going on an inexpensive short-visit, and had a feeling beforehand I might see the pictured person or one of her friends, I might just stay and go ahead if the 'friend' is up to spec. If not, I just say "sorry, you're not who I came to see" and leave.

For any encounter over $, truth in advertising is the rule. If it's not her, and you weren't expecting someone else (some hot girls use fake pix, but the reviews say she's better looking and worth seeing) , pull the plug, as a rule.

Outcall to your place is dicier, because there's the risk of a loud and / or violent scene at the door, which could attract the neighbors. If you look out the peephole and the person at the door is not who you're expecting, you could always try a ruse. Turn off the ringer on the phone, answer the door with a bit of a surprised look, and act as though you're the victim of a prankster who sent the girl to your place. If you're in a hotel, you can call the front desk and ask them to send up security, if necessary.

Giving her cab money both acknowledges that you're the one who called her, and rewards her for her dishonesty. Your attitude towards a B&S should be as punitive and costly to her time and wallet as you can get away with.

It's essential that you not use your personal phone for hobby business, because having your number stored in her phone undermines your credibility, and makes you a target for reprisal.

[Tha X Facta]

What do most of you do?
Do you still see her if she is not a two bagger?
Do you say goodbye before she steps in the door?
Do you give her cab money?

Thanks from a neophyte.

"Say goodbye before she steps in the door."
Toughen up, you need to be a bit more callous in these situations.

BubbaFromTx, you have a lot to learn.
We all learned the hard way . . . . some harder than others.

At the moment you don't have the disposition nor temperament for this.

Figuratively speaking . . . . keep it up, you'll learn!


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[BubbaFromTx]

What do most of you do?

Do you still see her if she is not a two bagger?

Do you say goodbye before she steps in the door?

Do you give her cab money?

Thanks from a neophyte.

[Bunker Buster]

Ok I was a neophyte. I normally use another site and trust reviews, but have been lucky with backpage elsewhere.

I liked this girl's pictures, But she has now changed her ad with different false pictures, how do you use google picture?

I tried someone else earlier in DC and got 300 lb person when ad beautiful. Does one bad review exclude a girl? For me on future, probably.

I chased girl and got on floor board and she knocked me over another car and hit a car with hers. I work with cops a the you are correct, if I reported thief, both of us arrested. Hit and run a different matter and they are after her for that.

I am pissed though, so ave paid more $ than lost trying to put her out of business on backpage.

I appreciate experience of guys in hobby longer.

There are 4 ways to use Google Image Search.

http://www.google.com/insidesearch/f...chbyimage.html

[BubbaFromTx]

Ok I was a neophyte. I normally use another site and trust reviews, but have been lucky with backpage elsewhere.

I liked this girl's pictures, But she has now changed her ad with different false pictures, how do you use google picture?

I tried someone else earlier in DC and got 300 lb person when ad beautiful. Does one bad review exclude a girl? For me on future, probably.

I chased girl and got on floor board and she knocked me over another car and hit a car with hers. I work with cops a the you are correct, if I reported thief, both of us arrested. Hit and run a different matter and they are after her for that.

I am pissed though, so ave paid more $ than lost trying to put her out of business on backpage.

I appreciate experience of guys in hobby longer.

[Marcus Weiner]

Johnny, all I was trying to do was to remove the "kick me" sign that Bubba, himself taped to his back. As I said before I am my brother's keeper and wish no harm upon any monger. I'm just trying to point out, as well as BB, some pretty clear mistakes he made with this girl. Mistakes that all of us have made. The RTFF tag is important for all new members to this forum. It can save you time and money with girls that are providing poor service or just plain stealing from you. I'm no genius and have had girls try to extort money from me for all kinds of things. Use common sense and try to let the big head think instead of the small one. I certainly hope that this is the last post on here about this particular incident and that you roll out and check out some of the providers out there and bring us back a full report.

MW

I see. It wasnt an analogy, he was referring directly to his advice to Bubba. Thought he was directing that at me.

[Johnny Stales]

Calling the police to report a cash-and-dash is like calling them to report that someone stole your drugs. Your report of the theft becomes a confession of your own culpability. If you hand someone money, it isn't theft or fraud until the person fails to deliver the agreed-upon services, which must be discussed in detail. Is it worth getting yourself charged to nail her?

What MW is talking about is a crime other than cash-and-dash, which doesn't require a confession of your own guilt. If someone scoped your house on an outcall, then committed a burglary, you can just say she was there for a social visit.

Likewise, pressing charges for a violent attack or robbery doesn't require you to "admit" any guilt. You could have been in a hotel or had a visitor to your home for many different reasons.

"I gave her money for FS and she took off with the cash" is not the same as "I opened the door for her and two guys ran in, beat the hell out of me, and stole my TV."

She may allege that you were meeting for an improper purpose, which only digs her own hole deeper, while you can deny her uncorroborated claims.

(Note, if you've sent her an email from your personal account, giving your home address and phone, explicitly discussing why you're meeting, it's probably best not to press charges)

I see. It wasnt an analogy, he was referring directly to his advice to Bubba. Thought he was directing that at me.

[Bunker Buster]

Unless you are a real victim, meaning you were burglarized, assaulted, etc. Please do not involve the police. Johnny I'm not a dick, I am my brother's keeper,

MW

Calling the police to report a cash-and-dash is like calling them to report that someone stole your drugs. Your report of the theft becomes a confession of your own culpability. If you hand someone money, it isn't theft or fraud until the person fails to deliver the agreed-upon services, which must be discussed in detail. Is it worth getting yourself charged to nail her?

What MW is talking about is a crime other than cash-and-dash, which doesn't require a confession of your own guilt. If someone scoped your house on an outcall, then committed a burglary, you can just say she was there for a social visit.

Likewise, pressing charges for a violent attack or robbery doesn't require you to "admit" any guilt. You could have been in a hotel or had a visitor to your home for many different reasons.

"I gave her money for FS and she took off with the cash" is not the same as "I opened the door for her and two guys ran in, beat the hell out of me, and stole my TV."

She may allege that you were meeting for an improper purpose, which only digs her own hole deeper, while you can deny her uncorroborated claims.

(Note, if you've sent her an email from your personal account, giving your home address and phone, explicitly discussing why you're meeting, it's probably best not to press charges)

[Bunker Buster]

I'm missing the analogy here.

Anyway, you guys are getting pretty worked up. Like I said, I agree with both of your's "advice." Just didn't think you had to be so condescending while giving it.

Bubba needed to hear the unvarnished truth, and if he's a big boy, he'll suck it up, take it to heart, and get on the right path to enjoying himself and getting satisfaction, instead of conned.

If we're getting "worked up" about anything, it's your use of provocative and insulting terms like "dick" and "condescending," and "funny comment coming from you," while pretending you're not stirring the pot with an "I'm not doing anything" pose.

I've put up more informative posts (first-hand reviews, warnings, results of research identifying frauds, fake pix, ripoffs, etc.) in the past 3 months than you have in 5 years. Funny, isn't it?

If you agree with our "advice," how about contributing "actionable intelligence" to the board? More info and useful guidance, less picking arguments please.

[Johnny Stales]

Unless you are a real victim, meaning you were burglarized, assaulted, etc. Please do not involve the police.

MW

I'm missing the analogy here.

Anyway, you guys are getting pretty worked up. Like I said, I agree with both of your's "advice." Just didn't think you had to be so condescending while giving it.

[Tha X Facta]

Do you have any comments about said advice?
Are you gonna be . . . one and done?

Most newbies are, and never to be heard from again.


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[Marcus Weiner]

Are we not our brother's keeper? Perhaps we should just sit in front of our computers and laugh at Bubba? Or we could point out several mistakes that he made and hope that he and others get it and don't get ripped off again. Nobody's perfect and I'm certainly not one to claim to be the worlds greatest monger. Several years ago, I had a similar circumstance happen to me, but I just said to myself, live and learn! I was taken advantage of by a girl that had nothing but great reviews, much less one who was already reported to be a con artist. BB and I just pointed out several things that Bubba did wrong so he could avoid a costly mistake from happening again. Johnny, please use the forum for what it is intended for and don't get upset about our comments to Bubba, we are simply pointing out lessons we have learned. Unless you are a real victim, meaning you were burglarized, assaulted, etc. Please do not involve the police. Johnny I'm not a dick, I am my brother's keeper, and you should keep your remarks to yourself. BB and I have reported on several providers, good bad and indifferent. I would suggest you build up some credibility and not participate in this strange and unorthodox behavior!

MW

You see what you want to see, but that's a funny comment coming from you.

[Johnny Stales]

Now, as to a guy with a total of 2 reviews and about 80 comments in 5 years of posting, whose MO is flitting around from board to board telling people how to post, and who calls hard-core contributors "dicks," well, that's a separate issue.

You see what you want to see, but that's a funny comment coming from you.

[Bunker Buster]

Geez, while I agree with the premise of your posts, you guys are truly coming off like a couple of dicks. He may have done stupid stuff from the beginning, but I appreciated the warning and feel tones like yours will only dissuade people from warning in the future. If it annoys you to point out what someone did wrong, then don't do it. Otherwise, try to have a little more civility.

There are countless posts on this and other boards telling people what to do and what not to do, and how to not get ripped off. Bubba violated every precept of good sense and common sense, and without being taken to task, will not learn his lesson. He can lick his own wounds; a good teacher doesn't do it for him, but offers correction and guidance.

In all candor, he didn't give us a warning that we didn't already have. There was already a warning online about this girl being a thief, which Bubba admitted that he blew right past and was seduced by the lies of a con-artist. All he did was confirm what any of us would have found with a Google search before seeing her.

In fact, I didn't tell him to go away; I told him to do his homework and RTFF, then to come back. Until and unless he gets some knowledge under his belt, he's a danger to himself. If he does what I tell him to, he won't get ripped off again, and any future posting from him would be welcomed.

People who post ripoff warnings as their first post fall into two camps. Some will post the warning, then realize they can join a helpful community, and will do so. Most are just pissed off, so they go online and look for places to post bad reviews of the girl, and will never participate again anyway. The ball is in Bubba's court. If he sent me a PM, I'd even chat with him offline.

Now, as to a guy with a total of 2 reviews and about 80 comments in 5 years of posting, whose MO is flitting around from board to board telling people how to post, and who calls hard-core contributors "dicks," well, that's a separate issue.

[Johnny Stales]

Geez, while I agree with the premise of your posts, you guys are truly coming off like a couple of dicks. He may have done stupid stuff from the beginning, but I appreciated the warning and feel tones like yours will only dissuade people from warning in the future. If it annoys you to point out what someone did wrong, then don't do it. Otherwise, try to have a little more civility.