Ripoff Reports

[TrippinTB]

I am a SM under a different name with almost 300 posts. Trying to protect myself.

Met her on a sugar daddy website. We talked in Text and everything seemed safe. She even sent me nudes that were of her.

When we met, I gave her the donation and she informed me she was a Loundon County undercover cop.

To make a long story short, she kep the $4 donation and told me I was free to go. I was going to call her out, but just wanted to get out of there.

Stay away, I am 95% positive she is not a cop, but can never be too careful. I lost a lot of cash, but better than being in jail.

This is a popular scam that goes both ways. There have been johns pulling this on prostitutes and vice visa. She juSt chose to use a sugar daddy / baby site as her advertising platform.

Never front the cash. The scammers are everywhere and getting more bold and sophisticated.

I was in your area this past week and had to work hard to have a good time. I guess the closer to DC you get, the more corrupt things get.

[LuckyDogs1234]

I am a SM under a different name with almost 300 posts. Trying to protect myself.

Met her on a sugar daddy website. We talked in Text and everything seemed safe. She even sent me nudes that were of her.

When we met, I gave her the donation and she informed me she was a Loundon County undercover cop.

To make a long story short, she kep the $4 donation and told me I was free to go. I was going to call her out, but just wanted to get out of there.

Stay away, I am 95% positive she is not a cop, but can never be too careful. I lost a lot of cash, but better than being in jail.

[VaPlay]

http://liveescortreviews.com/ad/nova...1279/1/1269447

Add a comment "100% SCAM".

Thanks Yoyo, you saved my ass just in the nick of time.

[Yoyo Spa]

http://liveescortreviews.com/ad/nova...1279/1/1269447

Add a comment "100% SCAM".

This chick did a dash with my money once I gave it to her.

Looked nothing like the pics and then texted that she had to leave because her sister was in the hospital.

Only out $80 but let's try to put her out of business!

http://www.escortphonelookup.com/571-365-1279/

http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMe...pered/36245493

[Fbrd68]

This chick did a dash with my money once I gave it to her.

Looked nothing like the pics and then texted that she had to leave because her sister was in the hospital.

Only out $80 but let's try to put her out of business!

http://www.escortphonelookup.com/571-365-1279/

http://nova.backpage.com/WomenSeekMe...pered/36245493

[SidePocket]

It only takes a few swipes on a smart phone to drop a pin on Google Maps and less to take a photo with a geo tag. Just say'and.

Ahhh, good point. And if she opens Google Maps on her phone it will show her current location, then she can attach the current location to a contact in her phone (you), then she can share that contact with someone and they could be at your door while you're blissfully in mid session.

[CamachoFurPrez]

I have the girl meet me at a nearby neutral site (McD's, parking lot, street parking) where I can see whether they're driving themselves, or have a driver. They get into my car, and I take them back to my place, we hang out, then I drive them back to their car / pickup spot. Between the circuitous route and layered security, I'm confident that nothing's coming back on me. It would take several visits to figure out exactly where I am, and I only repeat with girls I decide are trustworthy, and are either independent, or are really getting a ride from a friend, not a pimp.

Everyone has to assess his own situation; living in a SFH with no gate and nosy neighbors creates vulnerabilities to account for.

It only takes a few swipes on a smart phone to drop a pin on Google Maps and less to take a photo with a geo tag. Just say'and.

[Bunker Buster]

And you're certainly entitled to roll them any way you see fit. And you've obviously had some success rolling them the way you've been doing (with some exceptions, as you've noted) but for the benefit of others who may be thinking about outcall and may not have your exceptional circumstances and success, allow me to make some additional observations.

IMHO, UTRs are a very different type of provider and come with their own special set of rules. BP pro scammers, OTOH, do this for a living and are often quite good at it. Even with your special circumstances and precautions, dealing with such scammers involves a level of risk and unpredictable variables that I think it's safe to say most hobbyists would prefer to avoid.

I have the girl meet me at a nearby neutral site (McD's, parking lot, street parking) where I can see whether they're driving themselves, or have a driver. They get into my car, and I take them back to my place, we hang out, then I drive them back to their car / pickup spot. Between the circuitous route and layered security, I'm confident that nothing's coming back on me. It would take several visits to figure out exactly where I am, and I only repeat with girls I decide are trustworthy, and are either independent, or are really getting a ride from a friend, not a pimp.

Everyone has to assess his own situation; living in a SFH with no gate and nosy neighbors creates vulnerabilities to account for.

[JmSuttr]

Ok so I PM'd a couple of people so I will put it out there so I can cover a global spectrum. All of my current UTR's are outcalls, that is how I met them and because I had so much success I guess like I told one other person I probably had rose colored glasses on and really did not expect an issue although its always in the back of your mind but you are hoping the event will be good. Secondly I live in a gated building so she has to be let in the front door and it gives me an opportunity to assess the situation and I am certainly not letting her pimp (and for the record I have never seen a pimp with any girl I've seen) enter the building. I am two weeks from retiring so I am not worried about my background checks any longer and I am certainly not worried about what my neighbors think or say about me; I honestly don't have to answer to anyone so it makes no difference to me what people say about me. As far as the police go; I was calling the police which is what made her decide to return my money (I offered her expense money to make it fair) and I don't know how that would have played out but I have learned that the best defense is an offense so I was willing to explain to LEO the situation and that would have meant she would have needed to provide valid I'd etc and I am sure she did not want to do that (maybe there was a warrant out on her. Who knows) and I always print a copy of the BP post to refer to which BTW had a fake pic of a really hot naked girl so after the dust settled I am pretty sure I handled it correctly. I don't need to read 20 pages of past conversations on this website discussing outcalls; I have done more than my share and have only had a couple of instances of which I promptly reported to this site so nobody else would get burned by the same girl (s). As far as them being unknown providers. Well that is how I found all of my UTR's they were not reviewed because they were not regular providers; just looking for that one guy they could depend on and establish a trusting relationship with. So I will take all that I have reaped and balance it against the situations that were clearly with bad intent and I will live with them. All I did was report that the girl was a scam and anyone that did outcalls should be aware and I will continue to do so should it occur again; and no I am not a badass but I can surely handle a situation in my own home with a girl who chooses to use the industry that we like to enjoy and turn it into a method to grab some easy cash while hoping that the guy has no backbone and won't control the situation. I realize that everybody here is really just showing that they don't want someone to get harmed in this hobby but I am fine and like I told someone else I will throw away the rose colored glasses and do more due diligence.

And you're certainly entitled to roll them any way you see fit. And you've obviously had some success rolling them the way you've been doing (with some exceptions, as you've noted) but for the benefit of others who may be thinking about outcall and may not have your exceptional circumstances and success, allow me to make some additional observations.

IMHO, UTRs are a very different type of provider and come with their own special set of rules. BP pro scammers, OTOH, do this for a living and are often quite good at it. Even with your special circumstances and precautions, dealing with such scammers involves a level of risk and unpredictable variables that I think it's safe to say most hobbyists would prefer to avoid.

Congratulations on your upcoming retirement but may I point out that, unless your plan is to never work again or to only take Walmart greeter-type jobs, you'll almost certainly be asked to undergo a criminal background check for future employment. And LE databases report out the names of complainants as well as others involved in any incident involving LE response. So, depending on the specific background process, you may be asked to offer an explanation of the incident which caused you to call LE. While this may not be a problem or concern for you, personally, it's a consideration that other forum members may want to take into account.

With all due respect, everyone is accountable to someone else to some degree. And if you live in a gated building (rent or own) that means there is a management or HOA body to which all residents have some accountability. As someone who sits on an HOA board, many communities have specific clauses in their CC&Rs regarding the use of any unit for illegal activity, and participation in the hobby in any capacity certainly qualifies. I have no idea about the specifics of your community but it's generally not a good thing when a resident gets "on the radar" (even if it's only at the level of suspicion without proof) of that managing body. For tenants, that can be cause for being asked to vacate. For owners, things are more involved but it's still a complication best avoided.

Of course, all scam reports are welcome so kudos to you for doing so but it's also important to note that new scam ads show up all the time, and existing scammers change their names / pics / numbers often, so a report about one individual girl may be of limited value. As I said, your personal circumstances appear to be exceptional so this post is primarily for those who are still employed and may actually give a f*ck about what their employer and neighbors think.

And, while I understand the position that "the best defense is a good offense" I also can't help but observe that sometimes the best defense is avoiding problems in the first place. I've personally always found that RTFF has a pretty favorable reward-risk ratio, especially when you're able to narrow down your searches by specific topic. So, for the benefit of others who might want to do such research, I would simply observe that the homework involved would probably not be as much as 20 pages and would probably take about the same amount of time as it would to print out an individual provider's ad.

[Trewaller]

You've gotten some advice from Propilot and Guitarman1 and, since the topic of outcall is one that comes up on a recurring basis, you should do a search of the forum to read what's been posted before.

But just off the top of my head, here are some additional points to consider. Whether the outcall is to your home or to a hotel, you are at a disadvantage because you don't have the option of leaving. That means the provider and her pimp can stand at (or in) your doorway and make a loud scene. If you're at home that will draw unwanted attention from your neighbors. If you're in a hotel, that will draw attention (maybe wanted, maybe unwanted) from hotel security. Propilot gives you some strategies for managing the crisis but IMHO the best strategy is not to get yourself in that situation in the first place. It's important to remember that the scammers do this for a living and it's highly likely they have more experience dealing with these situations than you do. They may also have counter-strategies designed to shift the blame to you (he called me for a massage and then asked for sex) and of even more concern is whether the girl or her pimp have pepper spray, tasers, or something even more serious. I don't know you, and you may be a total bad-ass, but is the possibility of an escalation really something you want to deal with (especially if it's avoidable)?

If you're in a hotel and the girl and her pimp make a scene, it's very possible you may be asked to leave by security because they may view you as being partially responsible. This is their hotel and there's no "guilty" or "not guilty" but just a determination that you're a customer they don't want in their establishment. This can be a little awkward to explain if you're on a business trip. If they don't ask you to leave, the girl and her pimp now know where you're staying and they can watch to see when you leave and what car you're driving.

If you're at home and things go bad then, if you call the police to get rid of them, you'll have to give some kind of an explanation to LE. Even if the girl and her pimp leave before LE arrives, you'll still be asked about the situation. You can certainly make up a story about how you have no idea why these people showed up at your door but if you have nosy neighbors they may talk to LE on their own. Another note about neighbors is that they're often contacted if you have any kind of job that requires a security clearance. If one of them talks about the time a girl stood at your door yelling about wanting her money, that might be difficult to explain to your background investigator. And if it's a bad thing for the pimp and his girl to know where your hotel room is, how much worse is it for them to know where you live?

The bottom line is that outcall is not a great idea unless it's with a well-reviewed provider with whom (preferably) you've had enough incall sessions to have developed a level of comfort and trust.

Of course this is an adult hobby and everyone is entitled take the level of risk with which they're comfortable but to schedule an outcall visit with an unknown provider is at the high level of the risk-spectrum, IMHO. And, as much as you may come up with strategies and contingency plans, there are a lot of variables involved and that means there will always be the possibility for the situation to develop in a way you didn't expect. So my advice is that it's better not to go down that road if you have better alternatives.

Ok so I PM'd a couple of people so I will put it out there so I can cover a global spectrum. All of my current UTR's are outcalls, that is how I met them and because I had so much success I guess like I told one other person I probably had rose colored glasses on and really did not expect an issue although its always in the back of your mind but you are hoping the event will be good. Secondly I live in a gated building so she has to be let in the front door and it gives me an opportunity to assess the situation and I am certainly not letting her pimp (and for the record I have never seen a pimp with any girl I've seen) enter the building. I am two weeks from retiring so I am not worried about my background checks any longer and I am certainly not worried about what my neighbors think or say about me; I honestly don't have to answer to anyone so it makes no difference to me what people say about me. As far as the police go; I was calling the police which is what made her decide to return my money (I offered her expense money to make it fair) and I don't know how that would have played out but I have learned that the best defense is an offense so I was willing to explain to LEO the situation and that would have meant she would have needed to provide valid I'd etc and I am sure she did not want to do that (maybe there was a warrant out on her. Who knows) and I always print a copy of the BP post to refer to which BTW had a fake pic of a really hot naked girl so after the dust settled I am pretty sure I handled it correctly. I don't need to read 20 pages of past conversations on this website discussing outcalls; I have done more than my share and have only had a couple of instances of which I promptly reported to this site so nobody else would get burned by the same girl (s). As far as them being unknown providers. Well that is how I found all of my UTR's they were not reviewed because they were not regular providers; just looking for that one guy they could depend on and establish a trusting relationship with. So I will take all that I have reaped and balance it against the situations that were clearly with bad intent and I will live with them. All I did was report that the girl was a scam and anyone that did outcalls should be aware and I will continue to do so should it occur again; and no I am not a badass but I can surely handle a situation in my own home with a girl who chooses to use the industry that we like to enjoy and turn it into a method to grab some easy cash while hoping that the guy has no backbone and won't control the situation. I realize that everybody here is really just showing that they don't want someone to get harmed in this hobby but I am fine and like I told someone else I will throw away the rose colored glasses and do more due diligence.

[JmSuttr]

716XXX6934.

You've gotten some advice from Propilot and Guitarman1 and, since the topic of outcall is one that comes up on a recurring basis, you should do a search of the forum to read what's been posted before.

But just off the top of my head, here are some additional points to consider. Whether the outcall is to your home or to a hotel, you are at a disadvantage because you don't have the option of leaving. That means the provider and her pimp can stand at (or in) your doorway and make a loud scene. If you're at home that will draw unwanted attention from your neighbors. If you're in a hotel, that will draw attention (maybe wanted, maybe unwanted) from hotel security. Propilot gives you some strategies for managing the crisis but IMHO the best strategy is not to get yourself in that situation in the first place. It's important to remember that the scammers do this for a living and it's highly likely they have more experience dealing with these situations than you do. They may also have counter-strategies designed to shift the blame to you (he called me for a massage and then asked for sex) and of even more concern is whether the girl or her pimp have pepper spray, tasers, or something even more serious. I don't know you, and you may be a total bad-ass, but is the possibility of an escalation really something you want to deal with (especially if it's avoidable)?

If you're in a hotel and the girl and her pimp make a scene, it's very possible you may be asked to leave by security because they may view you as being partially responsible. This is their hotel and there's no "guilty" or "not guilty" but just a determination that you're a customer they don't want in their establishment. This can be a little awkward to explain if you're on a business trip. If they don't ask you to leave, the girl and her pimp now know where you're staying and they can watch to see when you leave and what car you're driving.

If you're at home and things go bad then, if you call the police to get rid of them, you'll have to give some kind of an explanation to LE. Even if the girl and her pimp leave before LE arrives, you'll still be asked about the situation. You can certainly make up a story about how you have no idea why these people showed up at your door but if you have nosy neighbors they may talk to LE on their own. Another note about neighbors is that they're often contacted if you have any kind of job that requires a security clearance. If one of them talks about the time a girl stood at your door yelling about wanting her money, that might be difficult to explain to your background investigator. And if it's a bad thing for the pimp and his girl to know where your hotel room is, how much worse is it for them to know where you live?

The bottom line is that outcall is not a great idea unless it's with a well-reviewed provider with whom (preferably) you've had enough incall sessions to have developed a level of comfort and trust.

Of course this is an adult hobby and everyone is entitled take the level of risk with which they're comfortable but to schedule an outcall visit with an unknown provider is at the high level of the risk-spectrum, IMHO. And, as much as you may come up with strategies and contingency plans, there are a lot of variables involved and that means there will always be the possibility for the situation to develop in a way you didn't expect. So my advice is that it's better not to go down that road if you have better alternatives.

[Propilot]

http://nova.backpage.com/FemaleEscor...s-out/18531436

This is the post and this the pics below is who actually shows up; the whole ordeal felt weird; requesting photo I'd, pic of mail with address etc. The bottom line and I should have smelled it out earlier was she just showed up and asked for the money and basically wanted to sit on the couch and talk. Kept talking on the phone to someone-- she did not leave with the 240; that was never going to happen (said she was GFE) but I thought any out there that look for outcalls should be aware. She posted just recently again.

Trewaller, good job in not letting her leave with the $240. I cannot tell you how many times I have heard about these girls pulling this scam. The girls come to your door and once they are inside, they want the money immediately. Once the girls collect the money, they say that paying for sex is illegal. It is their hope that the man gets mad and tells them to leave. Usually the man does not want the trouble with her pimp or the law.

That is not the case with me. When I order outcall I have a few options to use. First, when she comes into the room and demands the money, I show her the money and count it out for her, but I do NOT give her the money. I tell her she receives half the money when her clothes are off and she is naked in the bed. If she is pulling a scam and have no intention of doing anything with you, she will star panicking and start to call someone on her phone. If she does that, then ask her to leave immediately. Rush her out the dor if you have to because she is calling her pimp. If the pimp knocks on the door, call security and say that some crazed man and woman is knocking on your door and you do not know who they are. Most pimps and their girls do not want to be arrested because they usually have warrants. Good luck on your next outcall.

BTW, I have been known to cut the money in half and offering it to her, and then offering the other half of the money with tape when we are finished doing business.

Propilot-Always check your six.

[Guitarman1]

http://nova.backpage.com/FemaleEscor...s-out/18531436

This is the post and this the pics below is who actually shows up; the whole ordeal felt weird; requesting photo I'd, pic of mail with address etc. The bottom line and I should have smelled it out earlier was she just showed up and asked for the money and basically wanted to sit on the couch and talk. Kept talking on the phone to someone-- she did not leave with the 240; that was never going to happen (said she was GFE) but I thought any out there that look for outcalls should be aware. She posted just recently again.

Based on this post I'm going to assume that you are new to the hobby. First never give any provider any personal information. That includes any information about yourself or where you live. Many of these girls will not hesitate to attempt blackmailing you, setting you up for robbery, or using your personal information for any other nefarious purposes.

That brings me to the next point. You did not say if the outcome was at your home or at a hotel. You should never do an outcall at your home. Providers have actually scouted peoples places out then later sent their pimp / boyfriend to rob the place. Then of course you have the reasons I mentioned above. I have only had one provider come to my home. She is someone that I have seen many times over a number of years and have even seen her at her home.

[Trewaller]

http://nova.backpage.com/FemaleEscor...s-out/18531436

This is the post and this the pics below is who actually shows up; the whole ordeal felt weird; requesting photo I'd, pic of mail with address etc. The bottom line and I should have smelled it out earlier was she just showed up and asked for the money and basically wanted to sit on the couch and talk. Kept talking on the phone to someone-- she did not leave with the 240; that was never going to happen (said she was GFE) but I thought any out there that look for outcalls should be aware. She posted just recently again.

716XXX6934.

[Trewaller]

http://nova.backpage.com/FemaleEscor...s-out/18531436

This is the post and this the pics below is who actually shows up; the whole ordeal felt weird; requesting photo I'd, pic of mail with address etc. The bottom line and I should have smelled it out earlier was she just showed up and asked for the money and basically wanted to sit on the couch and talk. Kept talking on the phone to someone-- she did not leave with the 240; that was never going to happen (said she was GFE) but I thought any out there that look for outcalls should be aware. She posted just recently again.