Ripoff Reports

[Tom McAn]

I wanted to try something new today and decided to check BP, I saw a chubby one and as some of you might know I really enjoy my time with them, well this time was an exception. She acted normal all the way until she received the donation, she started with that stupid attitude like "do not touch my tits, don't touch my legs, don't raise your voice, don't be rude" all that crap that comes with all those bitches who been raped / abused while making money. I was like come on, if you don't want any of this why you fucking working doing this! Anyway I got really pissed off, she didn't even reveal that set of Gees like she said she will at the beginning. She told me she is 21, probably she is, she has a fat ass and a nice pair of tits, but her whole attitude is a turn off. So for those who value good service I suggest avoid this one, I know YMMV but I really think she is a lost case.

Thanks for the report. It sounds like she needs to find another line of work and / or get some professional help. I hope you didn't lose much money, especially if she didn't put out.

[Elber Gonzalez]

I wanted to try something new today and decided to check BP, I saw a chubby one and as some of you might know I really enjoy my time with them, well this time was an exception. She acted normal all the way until she received the donation, she started with that stupid attitude like "do not touch my tits, don't touch my legs, don't raise your voice, don't be rude" all that crap that comes with all those bitches who been raped / abused while making money. I was like come on, if you don't want any of this why you fucking working doing this! Anyway I got really pissed off, she didn't even reveal that set of Gees like she said she will at the beginning. She told me she is 21, probably she is, she has a fat ass and a nice pair of tits, but her whole attitude is a turn off. So for those who value good service I suggest avoid this one, I know YMMV but I really think she is a lost case.

[JmSuttr]

Ok. I fell for it. Water under the bridge, live goes one.

Got a text this afternoon. She now wants to credit back. Asked for name and email.

One of the classic scammer tactics is making contact again and running a different con. I guess they figure if they fooled you once there's a decent chance they can do it again. And one of the standard follow-up scams is to pretend they want to help you get back some or all of your money.

From what you posted, it's my guess they'll start with name and email but then ask for more, like a cc or bank account number so they can "credit" you with the money. Yeah, right!

Let's hope karma catches up with these b*tches sooner rather than later.

[Hypothetical]

Ok. I fell for it. Water under the bridge, live goes one.

Got a text this afternoon. She now wants to credit back. Asked for name and email.

Ah, ok. When I first looked at his post the thumbnail wouldn't enlarge when I clicked on it. So it looked like it was her regular ad instead of someone posting the additional details of the scam. So, if that's accurate (and the original poster never got that far into the process), then it certainly meets the criteria of a scam.

[JmSuttr]

The text of the ad / thumbnail LAmovr posted indicates she requests the PIN, drains the card, and then cancels the appointment.

Ah, ok. When I first looked at his post the thumbnail wouldn't enlarge when I clicked on it. So it looked like it was her regular ad instead of someone posting the additional details of the scam. So, if that's accurate (and the original poster never got that far into the process), then it certainly meets the criteria of a scam.

[BuckshotWatson]

For this to be a true scam someone needs to demonstrate how the provider (or scammer) gets money from the client without actually meeting him in person.

The point I made earlier is still valid. As long as the client doesn't give the provider any numbers or codes from the back of the Vanilla card, then having the card in his hand when he shows up for the appt is the equivalent of having cash in hand. The only way this turns into a scam is if we get some report that she calls a client and asks him for the numbers on the card itself.

Otherwise, it's still my theory that this could be the (excessive) defense mechanism of a provider who has been ripped off. I'm not saying I couldn't be wrong about this, just that it hasn't yet been proved.

The text of the ad / thumbnail LAmovr posted indicates she requests the PIN, drains the card, and then cancels the appointment.

[JmSuttr]

http://nova.postfastr.com/Therapeuti...money/47041237

Just in case the link goes bad.

For this to be a true scam someone needs to demonstrate how the provider (or scammer) gets money from the client without actually meeting him in person.

The point I made earlier is still valid. As long as the client doesn't give the provider any numbers or codes from the back of the Vanilla card, then having the card in his hand when he shows up for the appt is the equivalent of having cash in hand. The only way this turns into a scam is if we get some report that she calls a client and asks him for the numbers on the card itself.

Otherwise, it's still my theory that this could be the (excessive) defense mechanism of a provider who has been ripped off. I'm not saying I couldn't be wrong about this, just that it hasn't yet been proved.

[LAmvor]

http://nova.postfastr.com/Therapeuti...money/47041237

Just in case the link goes bad.

[Hypothetical]

I never had a provider refuse cash as payment during my years of mongering, not even on the first visit. There's something strange going on here. You did the right thing by bailing. And as JmSuttr pointed out, there are plenty of other providers who will provide what you're looking for at a similar price. RTFF and do your homework first before going to see any of them.

Yes, a total scam.

[Tom McAn]

So I answered an add on backpage for a massage. Had one of the wixsite webpages with all the details and donations for a massage.

Ginger4 uu. wixsite.com/ pure-relaxation.

Set up an appointment and was directed to a shopping center in Fairfax and told to text when I arrive. So far so good. Nothing out of the ordinary here. Then when I text that I arrived I'm told "first time client must buy a Visa Vanilla gift debit card with the hour fee on it. " No cash accepted. After the first visit then you can pay however you want.

I refused. I said you should have told me this BEFORE I drove down here. They responded and said it's all on their website and I should have known. I went home and read every page on the website TWICE. Nothing about Visa gift cards.

Is this some kind of scam? I just moved here from LA and I have never seen anything like this. My gut said no way so I bailed out. I texted back and said your website says nothing about gift cards. They responded back and said I missed out on a surprise free 4 hand session. Yeah. Right.

Does anyone have any ideas on if this is a scam?

I never had a provider refuse cash as payment during my years of mongering, not even on the first visit. There's something strange going on here. You did the right thing by bailing. And as JmSuttr pointed out, there are plenty of other providers who will provide what you're looking for at a similar price. RTFF and do your homework first before going to see any of them.

[JmSuttr]

So I answered an add on backpage for a massage. Had one of the wixsite webpages with all the details and donations for a massage.

Ginger4 uu. wixsite.com/ pure-relaxation.

Set up an appointment and was directed to a shopping center in Fairfax and told to text when I arrive. So far so good. Nothing out of the ordinary here. Then when I text that I arrived I'm told "first time client must buy a Visa Vanilla gift debit card with the hour fee on it. " No cash accepted. After the first visit then you can pay however you want.

I refused. I said you should have told me this BEFORE I drove down here. They responded and said it's all on their website and I should have known. I went home and read every page on the website TWICE. Nothing about Visa gift cards.

Is this some kind of scam? I just moved here from LA and I have never seen anything like this. My gut said no way so I bailed out. I texted back and said your website says nothing about gift cards. They responded back and said I missed out on a surprise free 4 hand session. Yeah. Right.

Does anyone have any ideas on if this is a scam?

Haven't seen her but you're right that the website says nothing about needing to buy a gift card.

https://ginger4uu.wixsite.com/pure-relaxation

And neither does her BP ad.

http://washingtondc.backpage.com/The...bsite/46083892

But most gift card scams (at least the ones I've read about) involve the scammer asking, via phone or email, for the codes or numbers on the back of the card. By doing that they can use the value of the card to make purchases on the web without ever having to take possession of the physical card.

From your description it sounds like you were asked to buy the card and bring it to the session. So, as long as you retain possession of it, and don't give out any numbers or codes, handing her the card at the beginning of the session would be the same as handing her cash.

Again, I haven't seen this provider but I don't get a "scam vibe" from her website. My best guess is that she's been ripped off (maybe with counterfeit bills) and this is the defense mechanism she's come up with. By asking a first-timer to buy the gift card, she's reducing her risk.

FWIW, I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt here but that still doesn't mean I'd be happy jumping through those kinds if hoops and she definitely does not say anything about gift cards on her site. A bigger issue for me is she claims to have reviews but there's nothing on the oThER site and what she has on her webpage could easily have been self-written.

Bottom line: there's plenty of good, well-reviewed FBSM value out there without having to deal with all that BS and the crap attitude on top of it. For 120 an hr you can visit almost any one of the Thai massage providers (check reviews and forum reports first) and you'll be a happy client.

[Member #5678]

There was a review on another site about someone having their cash stolen by two people. So, you might have gotten 4 hands, but not the massaging kind.

So I answered an add on backpage for a massage. Had one of the wixsite webpages with all the details and donations for a massage.

Ginger4 uu. wixsite.com/ pure-relaxation.

Set up an appointment and was directed to a shopping center in Fairfax and told to text when I arrive. So far so good. Nothing out of the ordinary here. Then when I text that I arrived I'm told "first time client must buy a Visa Vanilla gift debit card with the hour fee on it. " No cash accepted. After the first visit then you can pay however you want.

I refused. I said you should have told me this BEFORE I drove down here. They responded and said it's all on their website and I should have known. I went home and read every page on the website TWICE. Nothing about Visa gift cards.

Is this some kind of scam? I just moved here from LA and I have never seen anything like this. My gut said no way so I bailed out. I texted back and said your website says nothing about gift cards. They responded back and said I missed out on a surprise free 4 hand session. Yeah. Right.

Does anyone have any ideas on if this is a scam?

[LAmvor]

So I answered an add on backpage for a massage. Had one of the wixsite webpages with all the details and donations for a massage.

Ginger4 uu. wixsite.com/ pure-relaxation.

Set up an appointment and was directed to a shopping center in Fairfax and told to text when I arrive. So far so good. Nothing out of the ordinary here. Then when I text that I arrived I'm told "first time client must buy a Visa Vanilla gift debit card with the hour fee on it. " No cash accepted. After the first visit then you can pay however you want.

I refused. I said you should have told me this BEFORE I drove down here. They responded and said it's all on their website and I should have known. I went home and read every page on the website TWICE. Nothing about Visa gift cards.

Is this some kind of scam? I just moved here from LA and I have never seen anything like this. My gut said no way so I bailed out. I texted back and said your website says nothing about gift cards. They responded back and said I missed out on a surprise free 4 hand session. Yeah. Right.

Does anyone have any ideas on if this is a scam?

[Sam0918]

Thanks Yoyo, you saved my ass just in the nick of time.

Experienced similar situation. Big scam.

[RustyMuffler]

Hey LD,

Sorry you got played like that.

First off, a couple of points:

If she really was a cop she would have never sent you any nude photos of herself! They might send you nude pics, but not of themselves.

More importantly, if she was a cop she would have never let you leave like that. Their stings are designed to reel in as many of us as possible. I have not known of any sting operations where they just let people walk.

Conclusion:

That is not to say you were wrong to just cut your losses and bail. Who knows how the situation would have gone if you demanded your money back. And no matter what she did or said next you could not trust her enough to "get comfortable" if she wanted to keep the money and go through with providing you a service.

So you did exactly what I would have done. But it sucks to get ripped off!

Better luck next time.

I am a SM under a different name with almost 300 posts. Trying to protect myself.

Met her on a sugar daddy website. We talked in Text and everything seemed safe. She even sent me nudes that were of her.

When we met, I gave her the donation and she informed me she was a Loundon County undercover cop.

To make a long story short, she kep the $4 donation and told me I was free to go. I was going to call her out, but just wanted to get out of there.

Stay away, I am 95% positive she is not a cop, but can never be too careful. I lost a lot of cash, but better than being in jail.