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[AthJun]

This doesn't sound right. In 2012 when the Warren spas got raided I used to go at least once a week for years, sometimes twice a week. I knew all the mamasans & most of the girls. I always parked in the parking lot. Never heard a word from any Law enforcement organization. If you were that nervous maybe you shouldn't be going.

Of course all I ever got was a good massage, and then stooped at the Hot Dog Shoppe.

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2013...assage_pa.html

There are a bunch of things written like the above. You're absolutely right- I did decide that it wasn't worth having my car recorded on someone's surveillance, so I've changed my ways. Just a personal decision. Clearly, the stuff in Warren didn't change much, although I think there's been some momentum lately and I'm not sure we can continue to expect things to come out the same with all these raids. As others have pointed out, there's still not a lot they can do except light a fire under you, but I think it's worth keeping one's eyes open. They do put up cameras, and license plates are recorded. A little awareness never hurt.

[MoonDoggie]

A few years ago when everything in Warren was raided, they kept records of all the license plates and then went after people who'd made at least 3 visits that year. I don't know the details after that. It's still a good idea to park elsewhere if you don't want to be approached and asked about it.

This doesn't sound right. In 2012 when the Warren spas got raided I used to go at least once a week for years, sometimes twice a week. I knew all the mamasans & most of the girls. I always parked in the parking lot. Never heard a word from any Law enforcement organization. If you were that nervous maybe you shouldn't be going.

Of course all I ever got was a good massage, and then stooped at the Hot Dog Shoppe.

[Cheech1]

Remember, cameras can be mounted anywhere within range of what they want to see. Within range means a clear line from the camera to the object. And, it doesn't have to be close enough that anything can be made out with the human eye. They have cameras mounted on satellites in space that can see the pubic hairs on an ant crawling on the ground. And I am not bullshitting.

So there also are cameras so small, called pinhole cameras, that you can barely see them, think of the selfie camera on your phone. Simply drill a very small hole in a fence or a wall and mount it on the back. I'm sure we all can see what I mean. They also have cameras that can see infrared thru walls, as in two humans fucking on a bed on the other side of a wall. Not as good as a regular pic, just a heat outline, but you get the idea.

The key is if you get popped, what you say. And what you say is my name is Cheech, and my lawyer's phone number is!

And if you're just being questioned without being arrested, you better bet your ass that they are trying to hem you up one way or another, because if you say something incriminating they will use that to nail someone else and to try to come back to nail you.

Cheech.

[AthJun]

How did they get the license plates?

After everything went down in Warren, it came up in the news that LE had gained permission of nearby businesses to put cameras up and record vehicles that entered the spa parking lots. There was one spa that got off easy because that same lot was used by customers of a bar, and it was hard to tell who was who. In general though, what others have said here sounds about right. Cops might not have any "proof" of anything you did, but they sure have your car in that lot, and so they can be disruptive in your life.

[Tonto Monger]

I'm confused. If one is not caught in an act how can they show up at your house at a later date saying we know you were there on a certain date.

Not knowing the law, don't they need proof? Seems to them be a he said / he said situation.

Cops can knock on your door anytime they want to. They'll be really friendly and nice and say something like "we just want to ask you some questions about why your vehicle was observed at such and such spa. " Then they'll shut up and wait for you to incriminate yourself, or, tell them that unless they have a warrant, you want them off your property and not to come back without one. However, now you have to answer the question to your significant other, and she never needs a warrant and you have no Miranda rights. So, the cops have accomplished their goal of fucking up your life anyway. Pricks.

[Bones13]

A few years ago when everything in Warren was raided, they kept records of all the license plates and then went after people who'd made at least 3 visits that year. I don't know the details after that. It's still a good idea to park elsewhere if you don't want to be approached and asked about it.

How did they get the license plates?

[AthJun]

I call bullshit. They made their headlines and that's all that matters. Guarantee these businesses will be up and running again in the near future.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/ne...il/1206517001/

A few years ago when everything in Warren was raided, they kept records of all the license plates and then went after people who'd made at least 3 visits that year. I don't know the details after that. It's still a good idea to park elsewhere if you don't want to be approached and asked about it.

[Banshee50]

I'm confused. If one is not caught in an act how can they show up at your house at a later date saying we know you were there on a certain date.

Not knowing the law, don't they need proof? Seems to them be a he said / he said situation.

License plate numbers would be one way, anyone dumb enough to pay with a credit card would be another. The key is to keep your mouth shut. Unfortunately for many, the mere presence of cops knocking on your door uninvited, would be difficult to explain to your significant other.

[LoveSixNine]

License plate numbers would be one way, anyone dumb enough to pay with a credit card would be another. The key is to keep your mouth shut. Unfortunately for many, the mere presence of cops knocking on your door uninvited, would be difficult to explain to your significant other.

I'm sure they seized the phone and are looking through it's history. I wonder why these shops are always in some super busy place? And who was the twat that they interviewed? He said he went into the shop. Does that mean Maybe he got a HE and was unsatisfied so he called LE? Maybe the China woman made fun of his little PP?

[RavensBurg]

License plate numbers would be one way, anyone dumb enough to pay with a credit card would be another. The key is to keep your mouth shut. Unfortunately for many, the mere presence of cops knocking on your door uninvited, would be difficult to explain to your significant other.

I call bullshit. They made their headlines and that's all that matters. Guarantee these businesses will be up and running again in the near future.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/ne...il/1206517001/

[Tonto Monger]

Seems confusing to me. How in the hell do they know who to look for. I certainly don't give my name and I don't call either.

License plate numbers would be one way, anyone dumb enough to pay with a credit card would be another. The key is to keep your mouth shut. Unfortunately for many, the mere presence of cops knocking on your door uninvited, would be difficult to explain to your significant other.

[Fuzzyek]

https://fox8.com/news/i-team/it-was-...ssage-parlors/

Says they are taking a look at last 500 customers.

Seems confusing to me. How in the hell do they know who to look for. I certainly don't give my name and I don't call either.

[BudBowl2001]

https://fox8.com/news/i-team/it-was-...ssage-parlors/

Says they are taking a look at last 500 customers.

[DaveTheLoose]

They say they have evidence of women forced to carry out sex for sale even while living in the massage parlors.

A group called the Harriet Tubman Movement is already helping some of the women in this case start new lives. Co-founder Laura Bartchak said. We want them to be safe first of all.

How about this line of bullshit they are selling to the public?

The report made a big deal out of the washer and dryer in the place. But wouldn't every massage parlor have those? Don't they have to wash the sheets? And they found food. What a shocker. Every place I've ever worked has food. People are entitled to lunch breaks after all.

Perhaps there really was human trafficking going on. I'm not in a position to know. But the evidence presented in the news report seemed flimsy at best.

[Paradigm71]

https://fox8.com/news/sex-for-sale-v...fficking-raid/

Is it possible they will ever open again? This report says the owners are getting some pretty serious charges.

So in the article they said:

"In fact, in one video clip, you see a washer and dryer and hear investigators talking about finding food."

Seriously, a washer and dryer are necessary to clean the linens used in a massage shop and many other businesses. I bet if you looked inside every small business you would find food. Yes, a lot of the women that work in massage shops live there because they are single and have no family local so it is much cheaper and easier to do so. Others live in the owner's homes for the same reasons. None of these conditions alone definitively equate to human trafficking. Just another way of trying to paint a picture of horrible conditions that do not necessarily exist. I am sure there is human trafficking going on, even in Ohio, but the vast majority of AMPs are not where it happens.