Massage Parlor Reports

[XHippie]

TBH I've never gotten more than a HE at an AMP. I'm also of the mind that 40 is way too much to pay for a HJ since 60 will get you a BJ on BP. That said I usually don't mention the size of the tip and just let the worker do her thing. I've found that the ones who say "How much you give me?" Or want to see the money and then say "Not enough" are not much fun unless you give a certain amount that I refuse to for a BJ. The amount of time that many stay and the fact that I go so infrequently make it a bad long term investment.

I used to follow the advice and give 40 but have since gone down to 30 on the rare occasion I go to an AMP. Since the girl at the last one was so wide eyed and appreciative for 30 I think I might try 20 next time. Before anyone calls me cheap, think of the amount of jobs that don't pay anywhere near 20/ hr and let's be honest it's just a HJ so $10 is probably an appropriate tip. Hell if this were Korea, China, Thailand. And you weren't foreign then you wouldn't even tip it would be a part of the service.

The tip debate has been on the board many times Not sure who set the $40 bench mark for the HJ but the girls around here have gotten use to it. For me when a HJ is the only thing on the menu it comes down to this I'm tipping 40% for the massage 40% for the play and 20% for the HJ. To me the play is very important. I agree with you $40 for just a HJ that included a shitty massage and no play will not bring me back to that provider. $20 or $40 an hour whatever the tip is seems like a lot IF she is doing a HJ every hour of the 12 hours she works every day which is unlikely. It's a give and take on both sides she must make the hour pleasant and erotic to get a good tip, and we should tip according to what we are receiving. Paying 60 or 70 entry fee is expensive and the tip better include a good time. I have many visits I'm ashamed of that I thought to my self you just wasted hard earned money on a rub and tug trap which in reality was a newbie provider new to the business. Restaurant or AMP it's all about the product and service, some are better than others in providing and tipping.

[XHippie]

TBH I've never gotten more than a HE at an AMP. I'm also of the mind that 40 is way too much to pay for a HJ since 60 will get you a BJ on BP. That said I usually don't mention the size of the tip and just let the worker do her thing. I've found that the ones who say "How much you give me?" Or want to see the money and then say "Not enough" are not much fun unless you give a certain amount that I refuse to for a BJ. The amount of time that many stay and the fact that I go so infrequently make it a bad long term investment.

I used to follow the advice and give 40 but have since gone down to 30 on the rare occasion I go to an AMP. Since the girl at the last one was so wide eyed and appreciative for 30 I think I might try 20 next time. Before anyone calls me cheap, think of the amount of jobs that don't pay anywhere near 20/ hr and let's be honest it's just a HJ so $10 is probably an appropriate tip. Hell if this were Korea, China, Thailand. And you weren't foreign then you wouldn't even tip it would be a part of the service.

The tip debate has been on the board many times Not sure who set the $40 bench mark for the HJ but the girls around here have gotten use to it. For me when a HJ is the only thing on the menu it comes down to this I'm tipping 40% for the massage 40% for the play and 20% for the HJ. To me the play is very important. I agree with you $40 for just a HJ that included a shitty massage and no play will not bring me back to that provider. $20 or $40 an hour whatever the tip is seems like a lot IF she is doing a HJ every hour of the 12 hours she works every day which is unlikely. It's a give and take on both sides she must make the hour pleasant and erotic to get a good tip, and we should tip according to what we are receiving. Paying 60 or 70 entry fee is expensive and the tip better include a good time. I have many visits I'm ashamed of that I thought to my self you just wasted hard earned money on a rub and tug trap which in reality was a newbie provider new to the business. Restaurant or AMP it's all about the product and service, some are better than others in providing and tipping.

[Joe Looking]

I've been wondering about this for a while. I've not been a fan of the AMPs because of the fact that you apparently have to negotiate at the flip. This would be a real mood killer for me. I like to put my money down, then the rest of the session have a fantasy that they are into me. Is there thrill in trying to get additional services from young (or not so young) ladies for a cheap (or reasonable) price? Nothing about that sounds like a good time. Am I missing something?

TBH I've never gotten more than a HE at an AMP. I'm also of the mind that 40 is way too much to pay for a HJ since 60 will get you a BJ on BP. That said I usually don't mention the size of the tip and just let the worker do her thing. I've found that the ones who say "How much you give me?" Or want to see the money and then say "Not enough" are not much fun unless you give a certain amount that I refuse to for a BJ. The amount of time that many stay and the fact that I go so infrequently make it a bad long term investment.

I used to follow the advice and give 40 but have since gone down to 30 on the rare occasion I go to an AMP. Since the girl at the last one was so wide eyed and appreciative for 30 I think I might try 20 next time. Before anyone calls me cheap, think of the amount of jobs that don't pay anywhere near 20/ hr and let's be honest it's just a HJ so $10 is probably an appropriate tip. Hell if this were Korea, China, Thailand. And you weren't foreign then you wouldn't even tip it would be a part of the service.

[Editit]

Anyone know of a place I can get some nice ones wrapped around me? I saw a report back in April or May, but can't find it. Pm is fine as always. Thanks for any info.

[Purple45]

I wish we had something like this back in VA around Roanoke. I'm curious how many other girls they have there and how they look.

Roanoke only has Angel Spa for dreams but they do have one special girl. As for VIP I don't know about the other girl (s). Check my PM for another spa option with a name.

[Member #4621]

When I first saw Jim3142 I thought I was on the Roanoke forum and not the Raleigh forum, LOL. Glad you had a good visit at VIP and it appears you played your hand well for being a first time customer there and had an excellent dream. I wonder if she wasn't happy at first when she found out you was a first time customer? Sometimes girls shy away from offering dreams when you're new. I have heard that when VIP closes for the Christmas holiday that Sarah might not return. She sounds to be what they have been lacking in girls and hopefully she will decide to stay a little longer. Safe travels when you return back to Virginia.

I wish we had something like this back in VA around Roanoke. I'm curious how many other girls they have there and how they look.

[Purple45]

As far as I can tell, you haven't posted on the Roanoke forum. Also, I don't recall a review from you regarding the VIP, which leads me to: How would you know about Sarah possibly not returning? Do all salon owners talk amongst themselves?

For a SM with 300+ posts I find it odd that you can't search my posts and read the ones I've posted in Roanoke. You probably didn't even look but I challenge you too and it might surprise you what you will find if you look.

As for VIP I have commented in a post or two and done a review on Rubmaps. Again, take a look since you are curious. Also, I utilize PM's and both share and receive information on the happenings in the area.

"As far as I can tell" and "I don't recall" doesn't hold up once you've done your research.

[Ronnor]

When I first saw Jim3142 I thought I was on the Roanoke forum and not the Raleigh forum, LOL. Glad you had a good visit at VIP and it appears you played your hand well for being a first time customer there and had an excellent dream. I wonder if she wasn't happy at first when she found out you was a first time customer? Sometimes girls shy away from offering dreams when you're new. I have heard that when VIP closes for the Christmas holiday that Sarah might not return. She sounds to be what they have been lacking in girls and hopefully she will decide to stay a little longer. Safe travels when you return back to Virginia.

As far as I can tell, you haven't posted on the Roanoke forum. Also, I don't recall a review from you regarding the VIP, which leads me to: How would you know about Sarah possibly not returning? Do all salon owners talk amongst themselves?

[Emeralddragon6]

Anyone visit 49 yesterday or today?

[Purple45]

I dreamed I drove almost three hours to Raleigh for some business and popped in on the NC forum to see what's good. I had read up on VIP and decided to give it a go. Mamasan met me at the door through her little window and told me to come back in 20 minutes. I knew what was up. 20 minutes late I returned and was welcomed and taken by the hand by mamasan to the room. She asked if I wanted a shower, to which I replied yes. Mamasan gave me a good scrubbing down. She was very thorough, and I had no doubts of what to expect. This place reminded me of the 777 Spa in Biloxi, MS. After the shower I was escorted back to the room and mamasan called for a girl to come greet me. The girl came in dressed pretty sexy. She was young. Under 30 I guessed, but had some meat on her. It wasn't enough to detract from her attractiveness, and her legs were great. Her bosom was at least a see cup. I dreamt that she started by massaging me and asked if it was my first time. I told her it was, and tried to keep the conversation going, but she wasn't up for much talking. Her name was Sarah, and she didn't seem too happy. On the flip she motioned for a HJ and I shook my head and pointed to her pleasure place. She then motioned for a BJ, to which I insisted and told her $. 2. She then got a wrapped piece of candy and motioned it at me. After being stupid for several seconds I realized she was asking if I brought a wrapper. I jumped up and got it as well as the tip. She said she had to wash it and would be back. After returning she stripped down and gave me a nice CBJ with some tit rubbing. Then she hopped on. CG and Mish to completion. She seemed to genuinely enjoy it. Afterwards, she told me "Next time $140 on table so I know". It's too far away to repeat often, but hey. I can dream it every night.

When I first saw Jim3142 I thought I was on the Roanoke forum and not the Raleigh forum, LOL. Glad you had a good visit at VIP and it appears you played your hand well for being a first time customer there and had an excellent dream. I wonder if she wasn't happy at first when she found out you was a first time customer? Sometimes girls shy away from offering dreams when you're new. I have heard that when VIP closes for the Christmas holiday that Sarah might not return. She sounds to be what they have been lacking in girls and hopefully she will decide to stay a little longer. Safe travels when you return back to Virginia.

[Member #4621]

I dreamed I drove almost three hours to Raleigh for some business and popped in on the NC forum to see what's good. I had read up on VIP and decided to give it a go. Mamasan met me at the door through her little window and told me to come back in 20 minutes. I knew what was up. 20 minutes late I returned and was welcomed and taken by the hand by mamasan to the room. She asked if I wanted a shower, to which I replied yes. Mamasan gave me a good scrubbing down. She was very thorough, and I had no doubts of what to expect. This place reminded me of the 777 Spa in Biloxi, MS. After the shower I was escorted back to the room and mamasan called for a girl to come greet me. The girl came in dressed pretty sexy. She was young. Under 30 I guessed, but had some meat on her. It wasn't enough to detract from her attractiveness, and her legs were great. Her bosom was at least a see cup. I dreamt that she started by massaging me and asked if it was my first time. I told her it was, and tried to keep the conversation going, but she wasn't up for much talking. Her name was Sarah, and she didn't seem too happy. On the flip she motioned for a HJ and I shook my head and pointed to her pleasure place. She then motioned for a BJ, to which I insisted and told her $. 2. She then got a wrapped piece of candy and motioned it at me. After being stupid for several seconds I realized she was asking if I brought a wrapper. I jumped up and got it as well as the tip. She said she had to wash it and would be back. After returning she stripped down and gave me a nice CBJ with some tit rubbing. Then she hopped on. CG and Mish to completion. She seemed to genuinely enjoy it. Afterwards, she told me "Next time $140 on table so I know". It's too far away to repeat often, but hey. I can dream it every night.

[Asianflu]

My comments here about VIP is nothing new on the board their service is widely known. Your first sentence said it all it was your first trip there. You don't have to speak Chinese or Korean and they don't have to speak English at these places for your trip to be successful but you do need to understand the script depending on the place. First of all VIP is not famous for their massage's don't expect much sometimes the shower can be extremely sqeeky clean. And depending on your agenda don't expect to be there a full one hour unless you want to impress or wear her ass out literally. Now to the flip script if you want a HJ and she motions for one smile and gently pull her toward you or no matter what she motions if you want that honey hole you point or touch the part you want. Remember at this point of the visit she wants to know what you want and she shouldn't be the one offering, depending on her english skills you should be the one making the request with gestures not verbal jabbering she understands a point at the pussy 100% now you have to produce the tip amount and cover (they probably provide the cover if my memory serves me) when she shrugged her shoulders, she was waiting for you to point at that pussy and hold up fingers that indicated how much $ you were going to tip her. It is not as much as a rookie mistake as it is not knowing the script in these places. I've been in other Korean places that are similar to VIP and the girl did not know one word of English but she new exactly what my hand gestures meant. Every game has its rules if you want to play learn the rules. This is a great board to learn from. I will say VIP has had a business model that has worked for them for a long time I would be real surprised if they offered lesser services it's always been a full menu unless you give the girl a bad vibe. The only issue I've ever heard about them having is some post were made about them denying entry to the spa to guys because they probably looked like LE and some felt it was due to their race. Learning the script makes the game /visit a lot easier for you and her.

Spot on about VIP. It's been eons since I've been there (distance and price became restrictive after the Chinese opened up); however, FS is definitely on the menu. You will be expected to have to negotiate $120-140 for FS. Once you are known and are an FS customer they do not negotiate and you can either lay out your tip ahead of time or pay after session. AS Xhippie said, if they have bad vibes about you may not make it past the door or if you do it's massagi ONLY. They have been successful with their business model and do not desire to change. Yes, If you a black guy in "thug" gear you won't get in. If you look like a biker "maggot" you won't get in. If you look like your under 12 it's AMF to you! BTW "cute Mamasan (kim) and Hannah are now in their late 50's. Damn those Asians age well.

[Asianflu]

Most owners know EXACTLY what's going on. In "general" they do not want the girls "soliciting or negotiating tips" for OBVIOUS reasons. Getting busted. Most if not all girls are NOT even licensed in NC. They just want to operate under the radar. This brings too much attention to the place. They know the girls need to provide a happy ending to guarantee a reasonable tip. This is generally $40. !! In general most guys tip at least $40 for a happy ending. Regretfully some of you guys do NOT tip or give 10-20. As a result they fear they will get stiffed (no pun intended) so they start negotiating. If owners get the drift Many will FIRE her. My best advise tip well in the beginning if you like the gal and plan on returning. That means tip her 50-60 first time if you get a happy ending. They will be glad to see a guy that tips above the norm and will want to have him as a repeat customer. I guarantee you she will NEVER ask for a tip or negotiate. On return visits throw in an extra 10 bucks once in a while. When the word gets out about you all the girls in the store will want you. Conversely, be a cheap Charlie or a jerk they will treat you like the plague. One more thought. Just as we have many AMP options, these girls can work anywhere. Those only after the Big Bucks won't hang around if they can make more money and be close to home (generally NYC), especially if they were FS providers.

As we all know when seeing a BP provider the price is a flat rate the provider sets unless extras are added. The AMP's around here are more complicated because one never knows from month to month who will be coming or going so who knows what service will be offered from one provider to the next, or what she was use to getting as a tip in NJ or wherever. The AMP business around here is new compared to LA or NY there are stores in some of those places that have been in place for years so the service, entry fee and tip is standard knowledge for the customers regardless how many girls may rotate in and out. When a new girl comes in she is informed what the door fee is what a HJ, BJ and FS fees are. The stores here I would classify them as still in the slow lane or Jr. High School they have not graduated to the big league it's almost as if some are a big tease or still in their innocence, VIP was mentioned recently most that have been there know the entry fee and the tip to get what they went for this is because of regardless of the rotation their business is more established. But all the places in Raleigh, Durham, Cary, Garner and so on are standard service which I know everyone is aware of. Standard tip $40 for rub and tug. More than a rub and tug that's where these stores around here are still in their training wheels none are really established mainly because of who owns the store for any period of time or who works in the store for any length of time This effects the service. If you have a girl in one of these stores that was fucking and sucking in NJ and she's the only one in a Cary store now doing it she will not last because it will get out quick and she will take all the customers away from the other girls this has happened at several stores around here. It has to be a team effort ladies LOL. So we are back at square one when you are in the room with someone regardless of the store you have to find out what she offers at what price. It's the nature of what we have to choose from because of the maturity of the business here which obviously effects the maturity of the service offered. We all run across girls that haggle for the HJ tip just to pull off her shirt. Some never mention a tip they just go straight to the pole and let you have access to the goodies. It's the luck of the draw. But given the nature of these places around here its not like we can walk in and lay $120 on the table and know what's coming. It's more like the provider and customer have to size each other up. Do I like him? Man I like her I wonder If she thinks I'm a creep? Wonder what he wants? Wonder what she will do? Wonder if he tips good? Wonder how much a tip would cost for X? Call it negotiating but this is where we are. Now there are a very very few swinging dicks out there that have a girl they are tapping the honey hole that doesn't apply to anything I just said here God bless them. But for most of us it's the old fashion way, try to impress her to undress her.

I would only add a couple of comments. Some of us have better moves than others or have physical assets that help in the process, not me LOL. Also some girls get to like certain regulars, and over time will open up more for them. Some because of the tip others because for whatever reason they just like the guy or trust him. Some won't even give a HJ to some guys while other guys get lots of fun. Other girls talk about their customers all the time and share what they like, so a certain place may have everyone treating you great while certain guys get treated like a bad dog, no treats. This is usually because they give a bad tip, are dirty, or start grabbing the girl like crazy and asking for FS before even saying hello. When you find a place where the girls like each other and have worked together, here or someplace else, your odds improve.

[Jimjim77]

I would only add a couple of comments. Some of us have better moves than others or have physical assets that help in the process, not me LOL. Also some girls get to like certain regulars, and over time will open up more for them. Some because of the tip others because for whatever reason they just like the guy or trust him. Some won't even give a HJ to some guys while other guys get lots of fun. Other girls talk about their customers all the time and share what they like, so a certain place may have everyone treating you great while certain guys get treated like a bad dog, no treats. This is usually because they give a bad tip, are dirty, or start grabbing the girl like crazy and asking for FS before even saying hello. When you find a place where the girls like each other and have worked together, here or someplace else, your odds improve.

As we all know when seeing a BP provider the price is a flat rate the provider sets unless extras are added. The AMP's around here are more complicated because one never knows from month to month who will be coming or going so who knows what service will be offered from one provider to the next, or what she was use to getting as a tip in NJ or wherever. The AMP business around here is new compared to LA or NY there are stores in some of those places that have been in place for years so the service, entry fee and tip is standard knowledge for the customers regardless how many girls may rotate in and out. When a new girl comes in she is informed what the door fee is what a HJ, BJ and FS fees are. The stores here I would classify them as still in the slow lane or Jr. High School they have not graduated to the big league it's almost as if some are a big tease or still in their innocence, VIP was mentioned recently most that have been there know the entry fee and the tip to get what they went for this is because of regardless of the rotation their business is more established. But all the places in Raleigh, Durham, Cary, Garner and so on are standard service which I know everyone is aware of. Standard tip $40 for rub and tug. More than a rub and tug that's where these stores around here are still in their training wheels none are really established mainly because of who owns the store for any period of time or who works in the store for any length of time This effects the service. If you have a girl in one of these stores that was fucking and sucking in NJ and she's the only one in a Cary store now doing it she will not last because it will get out quick and she will take all the customers away from the other girls this has happened at several stores around here. It has to be a team effort ladies LOL. So we are back at square one when you are in the room with someone regardless of the store you have to find out what she offers at what price. It's the nature of what we have to choose from because of the maturity of the business here which obviously effects the maturity of the service offered. We all run across girls that haggle for the HJ tip just to pull off her shirt. Some never mention a tip they just go straight to the pole and let you have access to the goodies. It's the luck of the draw. But given the nature of these places around here its not like we can walk in and lay $120 on the table and know what's coming. It's more like the provider and customer have to size each other up. Do I like him? Man I like her I wonder If she thinks I'm a creep? Wonder what he wants? Wonder what she will do? Wonder if he tips good? Wonder how much a tip would cost for X? Call it negotiating but this is where we are. Now there are a very very few swinging dicks out there that have a girl they are tapping the honey hole that doesn't apply to anything I just said here God bless them. But for most of us it's the old fashion way, try to impress her to undress her.

[XHippie]

I've been wondering about this for a while. I've not been a fan of the AMPs because of the fact that you apparently have to negotiate at the flip. This would be a real mood killer for me. I like to put mjy money down, then the rest of the session have a fantasy that they are into me. Is there thrill in trying to get additional services from young (or not so young) ladies for a cheap (or reasonable) price? Nothing about that sounds like a good time. Am I missing something?

As we all know when seeing a BP provider the price is a flat rate the provider sets unless extras are added. The AMP's around here are more complicated because one never knows from month to month who will be coming or going so who knows what service will be offered from one provider to the next, or what she was use to getting as a tip in NJ or wherever. The AMP business around here is new compared to LA or NY there are stores in some of those places that have been in place for years so the service, entry fee and tip is standard knowledge for the customers regardless how many girls may rotate in and out. When a new girl comes in she is informed what the door fee is what a HJ, BJ and FS fees are. The stores here I would classify them as still in the slow lane or Jr. High School they have not graduated to the big league it's almost as if some are a big tease or still in their innocence, VIP was mentioned recently most that have been there know the entry fee and the tip to get what they went for this is because of regardless of the rotation their business is more established. But all the places in Raleigh, Durham, Cary, Garner and so on are standard service which I know everyone is aware of. Standard tip $40 for rub and tug. More than a rub and tug that's where these stores around here are still in their training wheels none are really established mainly because of who owns the store for any period of time or who works in the store for any length of time This effects the service. If you have a girl in one of these stores that was fucking and sucking in NJ and she's the only one in a Cary store now doing it she will not last because it will get out quick and she will take all the customers away from the other girls this has happened at several stores around here. It has to be a team effort ladies LOL. So we are back at square one when you are in the room with someone regardless of the store you have to find out what she offers at what price. It's the nature of what we have to choose from because of the maturity of the business here which obviously effects the maturity of the service offered. We all run across girls that haggle for the HJ tip just to pull off her shirt. Some never mention a tip they just go straight to the pole and let you have access to the goodies. It's the luck of the draw. But given the nature of these places around here its not like we can walk in and lay $120 on the table and know what's coming. It's more like the provider and customer have to size each other up. Do I like him? Man I like her I wonder If she thinks I'm a creep? Wonder what he wants? Wonder what she will do? Wonder if he tips good? Wonder how much a tip would cost for X? Call it negotiating but this is where we are. Now there are a very very few swinging dicks out there that have a girl they are tapping the honey hole that doesn't apply to anything I just said here God bless them. But for most of us it's the old fashion way, try to impress her to undress her.