Massage Parlor Reports

[Joe Looking]

If LE wants to waste our tax dollars popping these No Threat to anyone ladies,

I think how much of a "threat" they are is based on who you are. I think the human trafficking angle is overblown for most AMPs. IMO if they were really trafficked and held against their will you'd probably be walking away with more than just a HJ and they wouldn't be left in the store / parlor alone. While I don't doubt that few if any have work visas, they're likely not here against their will.

The threat comes from economics. I used to know an actual massage therapist. She had to pay for a liscence, training and so forth. She also chose to work at a place like masssage envy that took a huge cut of her wages. Eventually she bought a table and started working for herself, but she admitted that some guys were to put it polite sketchy in a way she rarely experienced at massage envy. So for her the threat was that instead of going to massage envy guys would go to the AMP because they knew at massage envy they'd pay the same or more and not get a he. For old uncle sam, he loses money on license fees as well as income taxes. Likely not enough to offset the police effort but apparently looking soft on crime doesn't get you elected and being too hard on the wrong types of crimes don't get you reelected.

[Nbdood25]

I saw Jamie from rubratings a few weeks ago.

https://raleigh.rubratings.com/123275

She's heavier than I would have thought from her pictures. The rub was so-so and the flip came quickly. I asked about a BJ, she said the doesn't do that because latex breaks her mouth out but offered FS which I declined. I'm glad I did, because during the finish I rubbed her outside of her panties and my hand smelled terrible after.

[Purple45]

"Court documents say Police sent an undercover officer to the spa to see if any sexual activity was offered in exchange for money to customers. Investigators say during a 30-minute full-body massage, Chen touched the officer inappropriately over a towel that was covering him. He says Chen also began talking about manual sexual gratification.

Court documents say the undercover officer recorded her offering the favor in exchange for $60. The records say after paying her, the officer then made an excuse to leave the massage".

Investigators say the entire exchange was recorded with a covert audio / video recorder.

https://wtkr.com/2019/02/26/williams...st-at-day-spa/

[XHippie]

Good to know info, you might want to tell your favorite massage lady if they are ever forced out of their building by LE or others they might be coming back to hidden cams. Thats how they got Robert Kraft and 200 others in Florida.

https://www.salemnews.com/news/local...91cd88107.html

If LE wants to waste our tax dollars popping these No Threat to anyone ladies, all they need to do is have the landlord let them in the store after closing. The employees will not know a thing unless they are sleeping in the store. Oh no now the landlord has other problems with LE that he or she is contributing to human trafficking according to news reports, he or she MUST KNOW what's going on in their own property right? Planting cameras is a minor challenge for LE. Even they know that if they focus on a particular store and the others are left alone what's the point because around the corner someone's selling crack on the street. Those dang Asian's taking LE away from what they really should be busting.

[BrownRod]

Good to know info, you might want to tell your favorite massage lady if they are ever forced out of their building by LE or others they might be coming back to hidden cams. Thats how they got Robert Kraft and 200 others in Florida.

https://www.salemnews.com/news/local...91cd88107.html

[Joe Looking]

Again, not a lawyer but we should all keep in mind that in many situations the desired goal of police is to make an arrest and charge a suspect (s). It's not to get the right guy or even get a guy who will ultimately be found guilty and or serve time. That's why a week doesn't go by that you don't see someone getting off on a technicality. Now the fact that you are eventually found not guilty or have your charges dropped doesn't change that you were arrested or the public perception of you if you happen to be famous, married, have a certian job or so forth. It also in many cases doesn't save you if you loss something due to civil forfeiture or whatever it's called when the cops take your shit and sell it. My point is that we can't always rely on police doing the right thing in the course of an investigation. So some law saying that a recording of you can't be used against you in court won't stop you from getting arrested for what's on the recording and without the right lawyer may not stop you from going to jail.

Again I'm not a lawyer but personally when I do got to massage parlors I don't mention money period. I also rely on resources like this board to know which places are likely to do happy endings and if I'm not at one of those I generally don't chance it unless the chick seems to touch my dick and balls more than once or makes certain hand motions. Again if she asks if I want a hand job I just say you're really pretty and of course. Never do I mention money. Another thing I'll frequently do is leave on my underwear initially for the massage. For the asians there's a couple of parts of the massage that get difficult if you have on underwear. When we get to that part if she takes my underwear off 9/10 she's down for a hand job. If I ask if I should take them off and she agrees (especially if she helps get them off) 9/10 she's going to end the session with my sperm on her hand.

There's always a risk when we do this stuff and none of us are smart enough to eliminate all of the risk if we choose to play.

[MD Bellamy]

Superrrlax suite j in rtp was closed also. Not the best location with the thugs hanging outside the gambling store next door.

Given the Florida bust and our own (temporary?) closings, has anyone noticed any changes in menu? Could go either way, I guess, with more caution or, with fewer clients, more offerings to make up for lost income.

[JellyBear]

She looks very attractive but can't tell what is available. Any info appreciated.

https://raleigh.rubratings.com/133593

Saw her a couple of months ago. Attractive lady, bordering on BBW. Sensual massage was very nice and very sensual. Was exactly what I wanted at the time. Price is quiet steep. $. 60 for the hour. Totally legit with no extras. Maybe might repeat one more time to see at least if there are other variations of sensual. Although I see no hope there.

JB.

[Kurt309]

Well I'm good. I only use hand gestures for intended services.

I don't know about video but for audio in NC anyone can record a conversation as long as the person recording is a part of that conversation. So the owner of a business couldn't record you and some Asian massage worker unless they were in the room with you. I mean they could do it but it would not be legal to use for prosecution in a court of law. I don't know about video. But I have heard some LEO's say that you could be videoed but no audio on the video would be allowed unless meet said requirements above. So if you're in a room handing a girl some cash then she blows you that's obvious, no audio required.

And I'm not telling you mongers what to do, but if I were in that room and I saw a camera in my room I would leave. Go online and look at all the spy cameras for sale, some are in form of alarm clocks, fire alarms overhead, door coat hangers etc. If I saw any of that stuff around in my room. Leave.

[MedJohnson]

Would be great if RK offered a reward for any one to come forward who got a strictly legit massage at that spa during the period of the recording and then funded a counter suit for invasion of privacy. Even better would be if video footage of guys / or a chick who only got legit services got leaked.

Med.

Police Sting vs Entrapment vs Invasion of Privacy. Where does LE rights begin and end? The police have their agenda, the store owner has their agenda, the paying customer at a open for business has their agenda who just happens to be naked. Does the landlord have the right to get involved in anything other than the lease agreement? A "good" lawyer can pick it apart. As in Jupiter all it takes is one camera bust or hey there's a bomb in the plaza in a Subway Sandwich store LOL, and it throws EVERYONE into high alert blowing LE cover. That's why I say I think the Jupiter circus was a isolated case mainly because who was shopping there. This is a big country with thousands of AMP's and this happens at one store in Jupiter Fl, come on. Will it give LE in other areas an idea? Time will tell.

[XHippie]

The girl in the room can legally audio record you because she is part of the conversation. The owner can't unless they are in the room also.

But video is totally different because you are getting undressed. It would be like a Walmart manager putting cameras inside the dressing rooms to stop shop lifting. They can't do that. Outside the dressing rooms they can but not in them.

The only way is to go thru the courts and then it can get complicated also. If you go to just get a massage only and they record you naked you might have a court case in your favor.

Just my opinion.

Police Sting vs Entrapment vs Invasion of Privacy. Where does LE rights begin and end? The police have their agenda, the store owner has their agenda, the paying customer at a open for business has their agenda who just happens to be naked. Does the landlord have the right to get involved in anything other than the lease agreement? A "good" lawyer can pick it apart. As in Jupiter all it takes is one camera bust or hey there's a bomb in the plaza in a Subway Sandwich store LOL, and it throws EVERYONE into high alert blowing LE cover. That's why I say I think the Jupiter circus was a isolated case mainly because who was shopping there. This is a big country with thousands of AMP's and this happens at one store in Jupiter Fl, come on. Will it give LE in other areas an idea? Time will tell.

[TimsTime]

The girl in the room can legally audio record you because she is part of the conversation. The owner can't unless they are in the room also.

But video is totally different because you are getting undressed. It would be like a Walmart manager putting cameras inside the dressing rooms to stop shop lifting. They can't do that. Outside the dressing rooms they can but not in them.

The only way is to go thru the courts and then it can get complicated also. If you go to just get a massage only and they record you naked you might have a court case in your favor.

Just my opinion.

[MatureAsianMas]

I don't know about video but for audio in NC anyone can record a conversation as long as the person recording is a part of that conversation. So the owner of a business couldn't record you and some Asian massage worker unless they were in the room with you. I mean they could do it but it would not be legal to use for prosecution in a court of law. I don't know about video. But I have heard some LEO's say that you could be videoed but no audio on the video would be allowed unless meet said requirements above. So if you're in a room handing a girl some cash then she blows you that's obvious, no audio required.

And I'm not telling you mongers what to do, but if I were in that room and I saw a camera in my room I would leave. Go online and look at all the spy cameras for sale, some are in form of alarm clocks, fire alarms overhead, door coat hangers etc. If I saw any of that stuff around in my room. Leave.

I'm not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure that a business can have cameras without informing customers and I'm guessing that the owner and not the person with the lease has the ability to install security devices. If I understand correctly the police got a warrant to place the cameras so it was nice and legal. Regarding entrapment, putting a camera up and catching people breaking a law is not entrapment. If they would have put in a decoy and essentially asked the guys if they wanted to pay for a HJ then that would be entrapment.

Again I'm not a lawyer but the act of solicitation is a pretty clear thing. Setting up an appointment with someone who advertises as an escort / prostitute is soliciting. Asking if a girl does GFE and how much it is is soliciting. Buying a hooker's time in a whorehouse is soliciting. Asking the lady at the country which of the girls will do a happy ending is solicitation. Putting a massage chicks hand on your dick is not solicitation. Letting a massage chick give you an unprompted hand job and then giving a tip is not soliciting nor is it definitevley pay for the sex act (even workers at massage envy accept tips) so tipping can be seen as customary regardless and an argument can be made that she wasn't asked to do it but there's no law saying you can't let an adult perform a sex act on you if there's no transaction involved..

[Joe Looking]

Are there any lawyers or judges that chime in on this board? Seems to me if the owner has this space for lease and is operating a "business" and LE secretly comes in as a customer and plants a camera there. Is that Entrapment? As far as any State or City goes there is usually a surge in cracking down on AMP's just about everywhere then over several months or a year or so they slowly come back due to the demand. There are so many AMP's in Orlando I like to went broke when I was there, many would put VIP here to shame, The locals and revolving tourist keep them packed. The local LE once in a blue moon pops one but other than that it's business as usual as long as there's no violence. But this Jupiter thing is getting eyeballs nationally because of the rich dude but it sure sounds like entrapment to this country boy. Maybe they used the suspicion of human trafficking to legally plant the cameras I just don't know the laws that well, When they said passing the bar exam, I thought they meant THE BAR.

I'm not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure that a business can have cameras without informing customers and I'm guessing that the owner and not the person with the lease has the ability to install security devices. If I understand correctly the police got a warrant to place the cameras so it was nice and legal. Regarding entrapment, putting a camera up and catching people breaking a law is not entrapment. If they would have put in a decoy and essentially asked the guys if they wanted to pay for a HJ then that would be entrapment.

Again I'm not a lawyer but the act of solicitation is a pretty clear thing. Setting up an appointment with someone who advertises as an escort / prostitute is soliciting. Asking if a girl does GFE and how much it is is soliciting. Buying a hooker's time in a whorehouse is soliciting. Asking the lady at the country which of the girls will do a happy ending is solicitation. Putting a massage chicks hand on your dick is not solicitation. Letting a massage chick give you an unprompted hand job and then giving a tip is not soliciting nor is it definitevley pay for the sex act (even workers at massage envy accept tips) so tipping can be seen as customary regardless and an argument can be made that she wasn't asked to do it but there's no law saying you can't let an adult perform a sex act on you if there's no transaction involved.

Again not a lawyer but as long as you're not caught clearly requesting her to do a sexual act got monry or agreeing to pay her a set amount for a sexual act she mentioned then you're probably good. You may get arrested but they can't prove solicitation. The truth is that we all know from this board that around 40 is the standard tip. We also know that if a chick does prostate massages then she'll just do it or you can direct her hand. What I'm saying is that there's no need to discuss money and if she brings up money you should probably just play it safe and go home to beat off.

[Pgrandis54]

I went by Studio Salon on Sunday. It was closed also. Hmmm.

Superrrlax suite j in rtp was closed also. Not the best location with the thugs hanging outside the gambling store next door.