Massage Parlor Reports

[XHippie]

With you on this one. But your post raises a couple of follow-up questions. To be sure the providers / owners are more at risk than the clients. I can't recall a John ever being busted for sexual activity in a store in this area. But here's the question: When owners do get busted, is it DURING the hours of operation when the owners are on the premises (and, potentially, clients are present), or not? Second question: If clients ARE present, what happens to them?

(When a provider is busted for solicitation with a cop, clearly she is on the premises during the hours of operation, so I'm not talking about that possibility.).

It's like this: Senario 1. LE has to be in the room and witness the agreement / transaction of cash for a sexual act which obviously would involve an under cover officer. OR Senario 2. They have to see the same agreement on video that would involve a customer such as went down with Mr Kraft. Under Senario 1 The owner and the provider will be arrested. The owner for running a house of prostitution and the provider for being the prostitute. Senario 2. The owner, provider and the customer (caught on video) will be arrested just like the Kraft deal. The transaction has to be CAUGHT in the act, not a sex act but a sex act for cash, you can fuck and suck anywhere you please you just cant charge for it, if you do thats prostitution. If not caught making the transaction nobody has to worry, and the bullshit of being pulled over by LE and questioned, they are just fucking with you to see if you are stupid enough to say something to get the 3 key people they want to bust, the owner, provider or yourself. Without the cop in the room or a video they got nothing PERIOD!
Senario 3 There is a possibility that LE has a case against a store be it prostitution or no massage license and they decide to enter the store during normal business hours. There may be a customer or two in the store butt ass naked getting a massage or whatever. They are not there for him or them they are there for other reasons. The customer may be asked a few questions name etc.. just to fuck with them but basically they will be asked to get dressed and leave. The owner and providers are who they came for.

[MD Bellamy]

You see Kraft was the wrong big fish to fuck IMO. First he has $$$ out his ass to pay for legal help. But also he is old, his first and only wife died after a long marriage, yeah he was dating a beauty, his family, c'Mon. Great grandpa going to still chase pussy or else die! Basically he has nothing to lose. For a fucking minor violation. He's on the cover of Senior Swingers! I understand when your married, in a job, active in the community then your likely fucked! But the point of cameras doesn't happen very often can't remember ever in Raleigh. But picking up street walkers, going to hotel rooms will put you at a higher risk. Risk / Reward Massage Parlors has any clients been busted inside a massage parlor in this area? Just the ladies working w / o a license. Very low risk?

With you on this one. But your post raises a couple of follow-up questions. To be sure the providers / owners are more at risk than the clients. I can't recall a John ever being busted for sexual activity in a store in this area. But here's the question: When owners do get busted, is it DURING the hours of operation when the owners are on the premises (and, potentially, clients are present), or not? Second question: If clients ARE present, what happens to them?

(When a provider is busted for solicitation with a cop, clearly she is on the premises during the hours of operation, so I'm not talking about that possibility.).

[Bb211]

It all started with that dad blem "color" TV shit, shot our society straight to hell, then came the microwave the "devils machine" then the internet the "devil in descise" that I'm sure was created and planted here by aliens sent here to destroy us. A person just can't hide these days. On the other hand if you are a BillionFuckAir I'm sure you have pissed off some people somewhere along the way and always have a big ol TARGET on your back. Aaaaand if you are frequenting massage parlors like a dumb fuck that can afford any call girl to come to your penthouse, well there you go Shit Happens or as Travis Tritt once said in his song T R O U B L E.. My point? We are no where near the get caught on camera debacle that Mr Kraft got his pecker caught in. He was a big fish worth the time and effort of tax dollars. Ill say it for you, color tv shit? damn how old are you xhippie.

You see Kraft was the wrong big fish to fuck IMO. First he has $$$ out his ass to pay for legal help. But also he is old, his first and only wife died after a long marriage, yeah he was dating a beauty, his family, c'Mon. Great grandpa going to still chase pussy or else die! Basically he has nothing to lose. For a fucking minor violation. He's on the cover of Senior Swingers! I understand when your married, in a job, active in the community then your likely fucked! But the point of cameras doesn't happen very often can't remember ever in Raleigh. But picking up street walkers, going to hotel rooms will put you at a higher risk. Risk / Reward Massage Parlors has any clients been busted inside a massage parlor in this area? Just the ladies working w / o a license. Very low risk?

[XHippie]

Doesn't even matter anymore, just nothing even remotely worth the risk. Go to the list and see more than half these places have been shut down and they are concentrating on the rest by going after customers now. Look at the persecution Kraft is going through just so the system can bleed as much money as possible from him, the level of hypocrisy in our society is now off the charts.

It all started with that dad blem "color" TV shit, shot our society straight to hell, then came the microwave the "devils machine" then the internet the "devil in descise" that I'm sure was created and planted here by aliens sent here to destroy us. A person just can't hide these days. On the other hand if you are a BillionFuckAir I'm sure you have pissed off some people somewhere along the way and always have a big ol TARGET on your back. Aaaaand if you are frequenting massage parlors like a dumb fuck that can afford any call girl to come to your penthouse, well there you go Shit Happens or as Travis Tritt once said in his song T R O U B L E.. My point? We are no where near the get caught on camera debacle that Mr Kraft got his pecker caught in. He was a big fish worth the time and effort of tax dollars. I’ll say it for you, color tv shit? damn how old are you xhippie.

[MD Bellamy]

It is right here, it's not hidden or secret list. Why people could not find it.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...3592-JJ-s-List

Then scroll down to report #99 for the most recent version of the list.

[Pubb69]

Thinking about all the places around here and nation wide that got busted and shut down, they ALL were closed / arrested for not having a massage license or a cop being offered a sex act for cash. The billionaire is the only one that I'm aware of that was actually filmed. You are more likely to get seen by a hidden camera that the OWNER has installed. Oh I'm sure there has been a bust by the cops somewhere that involved a camera but For the life of me I can't remember reading about any. I don't think it's a common thing. More likely to get popped for the the sex act offer or no license. It take cooperation from the owner or landlord to install cameras which is not a easy task. The Asian owner is not going to work with LE to bust their own business and the landlord does not want the bad press.
I think the fear of hidden cameras is ok to a certain degree of caution but IMO is overblown.

Doesn't even matter anymore, just nothing even remotely worth the risk. Go to the list and see more than half these places have been shut down and they are concentrating on the rest by going after customers now. Look at the persecution Kraft is going through just so the system can bleed as much money as possible from him, the level of hypocrisy in our society is now off the charts.

[XHippie]

If I go into a massage parlor, or even a massage business that is 1000% legit, like at a doctor's office, I am expected to get naked and lay on the passage therapy table. For this reason, there is beyond a reasonable expectation of privacy. The police do not have a right to place hidden cameras based on a hunch that someone is getting a happy ending. They need to address those concerns solo and freestanding on their own. Some normal everyday joe goes into these places for a legit massage, should not be subject to being filmed while getting naked. Imagine if this was women we are talking about. While some fat johnny law guy is sitting at home, "on duty" watching this private moment.

It's like if in a locker room at the women's college dorms, someone stole $20, so LE comes in and installs hidden cameras? Really? I don't think so. That is a lawsuit waiting to happen if I ever herd of one. Hell, if you guys now of these places were LE has literally installed hide cameras inside a massage room, where privacy is expected? Let me know, I'll go get a massage and then do right on down to my attorneys office to sue. Seriously, I do not believe this is going on.

Thinking about all the places around here and nation wide that got busted and shut down, they ALL were closed / arrested for not having a massage license or a cop being offered a sex act for cash. The billionaire is the only one that I'm aware of that was actually filmed. You are more likely to get seen by a hidden camera that the OWNER has installed. Oh I'm sure there has been a bust by the cops somewhere that involved a camera but For the life of me I can't remember reading about any. I don't think it's a common thing. More likely to get popped for the the sex act offer or no license. It take cooperation from the owner or landlord to install cameras which is not a easy task. The Asian owner is not going to work with LE to bust their own business and the landlord does not want the bad press.
I think the fear of hidden cameras is ok to a certain degree of caution but IMO is overblown.

[DirtyDeeds38]

Yep, you are suppose to go there and relax and have some fun. But if all the reasons you listed are a concern hey save your money for something else. Like MedJ said they are getting the business, could be some old customers that have been around awhile or newbies just getting into the hobbie and have no concerns about what you mentioned regarding LE or the selection. Again if the spark is not there stay home. However this Jesse at VIP sounds interesting be nice to have a few Jesse's in a few other stores. Have to hand it to VIP they do a decent job on their rotation.

If I go into a massage parlor, or even a massage business that is 1000% legit, like at a doctor's office, I am expected to get naked and lay on the passage therapy table. For this reason, there is beyond a reasonable expectation of privacy. The police do not have a right to place hidden cameras based on a hunch that someone is getting a happy ending. They need to address those concerns solo and freestanding on their own. Some normal everyday joe goes into these places for a legit massage, should not be subject to being filmed while getting naked. Imagine if this was women we are talking about. While some fat johnny law guy is sitting at home, "on duty" watching this private moment.

It's like if in a locker room at the women's college dorms, someone stole $20, so LE comes in and installs hidden cameras? Really? I don't think so. That is a lawsuit waiting to happen if I ever herd of one. Hell, if you guys now of these places were LE has literally installed hide cameras inside a massage room, where privacy is expected? Let me know, I'll go get a massage and then do right on down to my attorneys office to sue. Seriously, I do not believe this is going on.

[JoyForEvr]

Ok, so I'm going to ask what I suppose is a dumb question. I continue to see references to numbers for providers on JJ's list. Although a fairly long time member of this site, I have never seen an explanation of that list or how to access it. Break it down for me, please.

It is right here, it's not hidden or secret list. Why people could not find it.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...3592-JJ-s-List

[XHippie]

LE putting cameras in rooms, pulling customers over that leaves these places, majority of these women are 45 plus and unattractive. They could offer their services for free and I am not touching it, there might be a time when things cool off but I am staying away.

Yep, you are suppose to go there and relax and have some fun. But if all the reasons you listed are a concern hey save your money for something else. Like MedJ said they are getting the business, could be some old customers that have been around awhile or newbies just getting into the hobbie and have no concerns about what you mentioned regarding LE or the selection. Again if the spark is not there stay home. However this Jesse at VIP sounds interesting be nice to have a few Jesse's in a few other stores. Have to hand it to VIP they do a decent job on their rotation.

[Lh1204]

Jesse still at VIP and is still everything others have said. No need to reiterate.

[TheRap74]

Ok, so I'm going to ask what I suppose is a dumb question. I continue to see references to numbers for providers on JJ's list. Although a fairly long time member of this site, I have never seen an explanation of that list or how to access it. Break it down for me, please.

[Pubb69]

My view is looking at a 7 day week from opening till closing. There's a fine line between being busy and being under staffed (only 2 girls) there will be a wait at rush hour. Lets face it with their services and prices their bread and butter is lunch time, 6:30 pm till closing, Sat & Sun. Oh and when the more mature crowd get their SS check at the first of the month. That leaves a lot of gaps in the month that no one is walking in. A $50 or $30 massage would pull them / us in "more often" and at these odd times that are idle. Again I think the waiting you are referring to is when most generally go. And if there is a slim staff there will be some waiting. Another factor is if they were busy everyday through out the day the word would get out quick and you would see a way better looking / serving staff. They go where the business is. I'm a pussy Monger but I'm a business man first can't help but think about the ways they could improve on the supply and demand factor. IMO the demand is there where's the supply? Start with the price structure and things will improve above what they are now IMO.

LE putting cameras in rooms, pulling customers over that leaves these places, majority of these women are 45 plus and unattractive. They could offer their services for free and I am not touching it, there might be a time when things cool off but I am staying away.

[MedJohnson]

Who wants to open a store? I agree that we could do better, just need a supply of lovely ladies.

My view is looking at a 7 day week from opening till closing. There's a fine line between being busy and being under staffed (only 2 girls) there will be a wait at rush hour. Lets face it with their services and prices their bread and butter is lunch time, 6:30 pm till closing, Sat & Sun. Oh and when the more mature crowd get their SS check at the first of the month. That leaves a lot of gaps in the month that no one is walking in. A $50 or $30 massage would pull them / us in "more often" and at these odd times that are idle. Again I think the waiting you are referring to is when most generally go. And if there is a slim staff there will be some waiting. Another factor is if they were busy everyday through out the day the word would get out quick and you would see a way better looking / serving staff. They go where the business is. I'm a pussy Monger but I'm a business man first can't help but think about the ways they could improve on the supply and demand factor. IMO the demand is there where's the supply? Start with the price structure and things will improve above what they are now IMO.

[XHippie]

I have either had to wait or was turned away because "busy" 4/5 times. Listening during the session, other guys are being turned away or waiting as well so no lack of business. And its not just me- white dude was sitting at the front desk at koko last week, which means they were very busy because they have a waiting room setup so there must have been two waiting. I got turned away. Remedy is actually cheaper than it used to be.

I also think the current spas are not looking for new customers and are not concerned with volume right now. Just another phase of cat and mouse.

Med.

My view is looking at a 7 day week from opening till closing. There's a fine line between being busy and being under staffed (only 2 girls) there will be a wait at rush hour. Lets face it with their services and prices their bread and butter is lunch time, 6:30 pm till closing, Sat & Sun. Oh and when the more mature crowd get their SS check at the first of the month. That leaves a lot of gaps in the month that no one is walking in. A $50 or $30 massage would pull them / us in "more often" and at these odd times that are idle. Again I think the waiting you are referring to is when most generally go. And if there is a slim staff there will be some waiting. Another factor is if they were busy everyday through out the day the word would get out quick and you would see a way better looking / serving staff. They go where the business is. I'm a pussy Monger but I'm a business man first can't help but think about the ways they could improve on the supply and demand factor. IMO the demand is there where's the supply? Start with the price structure and things will improve above what they are now IMO.