Ripoff Reports

[Raige614]

Actually the biggest problem with SA or SB is that those truly looking for SD usually have ridiculous expectations / GPS. And actually I find most common are those true newbies who are dipping their toe into the water, and just disappear in some fashion when faced with reality of meeting a guy and what the implications are with possible pay for play.

Personal experience:

As an older guy, I remember a time (before the internet) when women looking for SD's were billing themselves as "escorts", professionally employed in their given line of work who engaged in SD activities to supplement their income-not to feed their chemical habit. Their ads could be found in the phone book or listed in lifestyle sections of certain local newspapers-depending on where you lived. Sometime booked through an agency.

These woman carried themselves with dignity, class and style, acted as arm candy that you'd be proud to take with you out in public to social events and gatherings. I did-frequently. And if anyone asked her what she did for a living, she had a JOB she could talk about. Most were educated beyond the GED stage (College grads) well informed on world events and could hold their own in any type of discussion. She didn't embarrass you!

Of course, they commanded ridiculous amounts of money for their time, dates required several days advance notice and were not typically available right away when the need came for an itch to be scratched.
When she met up with you, she was always clean, looked and smelled fresh, was dressed to kill and ready for any type of social event. You could take her anywhere, without shame, and she made YOU look good doing it.

When she was available for intimacy that itch was scratched eagerly and with gusto. Most importantly, these women were SAFE.

IMHO-they were well worth the cost. Nothing available anywhere nowadays is on par with this type of arrangement. Those days are long gone. Today, we are left scraping the bottom of the barrel.

So, hopefully, you guys will forgive me if I appear a little skeptical about SOME of these raving "reviews" where certain gamers appear from my perspective to have a vested interest and personal stake in their over the top promotions, bill boarding and white knighting of certain hookers. Those are the reviews I take with a grain of salt. Not all-just some. I'm inclined, Tomb8871, to believe that the average mongers experiences are more like the one YOU recently experienced!

[Tomb8871]

This is consistent with my experience with the SD sites. It's a LOT of work and time consuming as fuck to try and find a cute diamond in the rough. Typically I wouldn't get my itch scratched on the first meet which is always a public encounter so I can gauge them. Most of the girls don't realize or are in denial I guess about what they actually have to do to get an allowance so we don't even get to the first meet.

I've also run into girls with bad habits on the SD sites who were definitely not pro's just looking for someone to supplement their habit which I won't do. I did get fooled once for a while but walked out of that situation as soon as I found out the truth.

It's not all bad if you want to put in the effort and don't let yourself get caught up on their personal bullshit it's a lot easier to do in an arrangement situation.

Agree it is a lot of work so don't use them much, just an alternative maybe catch lightening in a bottle. I also think when the girls, usually college coeds or young single moms, realize actually taking the plunge does make them escorts, no matter how they try to rationalize it.

[The Etruscan]

Actually the biggest problem with SA or SB is that those truly looking for SD usually have ridiculous expectations / GPS. And actually I find most common are those true newbies who are dipping their toe into the water, and just disappear in some fashion when faced with reality of meeting a guy and what the implications are with possible pay for play.

This is consistent with my experience with the SD sites. It's a LOT of work and time consuming as fuck to try and find a cute diamond in the rough. Typically I wouldn't get my itch scratched on the first meet which is always a public encounter so I can gauge them. Most of the girls don't realize or are in denial I guess about what they actually have to do to get an allowance so we don't even get to the first meet.

I've also run into girls with bad habits on the SD sites who were definitely not pro's just looking for someone to supplement their habit which I won't do. I did get fooled once for a while but walked out of that situation as soon as I found out the truth.

It's not all bad if you want to put in the effort and don't let yourself get caught up on their personal bullshit it's a lot easier to do in an arrangement situation.

[Tomb8871]

Secret Benefits.It was intended to be a site for females (supposedly professionally employed type upper class women) to find sugar daddies for dates and sex. But-like everything else about this game, some have found a way to corrupt its purpose. It was once considered a safe alternative to hiring straight up hookers.
These days, its no better than STG.

Actually the biggest problem with SA or SB is that those truly looking for SD usually have ridiculous expectations / GPS. And actually I find most common are those true newbies who are dipping their toe into the water, and just disappear in some fashion when faced with reality of meeting a guy and what the implications are with possible pay for play.

[Victor72]

First of all I am glad that Tomb got out without a scratch (although without getting his itch scratched. . Thanks for reporting and TOFTT.

Yes, I agree that some of the SD sites have been infiltrated by STG scums. However, there is an easy way to weed out the scum. For the first meet-up, never ever agree to meet them at their hotel or apartment or home. That is the only golden rule. Tell them to meet in a public place over coffee / lunch / drinks. If they are real UTR women who are looking for a SD type arrangement, they will agree, in fact be happy about it. If they are STG scum they will hem and haw about it and try to avoid it. Once you meet them you can easily gauge them to know how genuine they are.

When I was in 'seeking' this is the golden rule I used to follow. I am not a premium member in SB, but I do see a lot of profiles with the exact same pics that they use to adv. In stg.

Secret Benefits.
It was intended to be a site for females (supposedly professionally employed type upper class women) to find sugar daddies for dates and sex. But-like everything else about this game, some have found a way to corrupt its purpose. It was once considered a safe alternative to hiring straight up hookers.
These days, its no better than STG.

[Tomb8871]

Do you have pics of her so that way of she does post on stg pr another site we would recognize her.

Have screenshot of pics from profile but not sure how to get them posted here.

[Raige614]

Please forgive my ignorance, but what is SB?

Secret Benefits.
It was intended to be a site for females (supposedly professionally employed type upper class women) to find sugar daddies for dates and sex. But-like everything else about this game, some have found a way to corrupt its purpose. It was once considered a safe alternative to hiring straight up hookers.
These days, its no better than STG.

[Raige614]

Hate hearing those stories, just glad you got out safe.

Hate hearing those stories too. May I echo your sentiments in saying I'm glad Tomb survived the incident unharmed. As for Rensselaer being a bad spot, I totally agree. But, unfortunately this sort of thing can happen anywhere and has happened everywhere. Kept in mind that as mongers we encounter the lowest most vicious elements of society on a daily basis.

Tomb took a hit, lived to tell about it and gave us all a heads up. I regret his financial loss, but in my opinion what Tomb went through is the TRUE meaning of Taking One For The Team. His report has probably saved many a monger untold dollars and kept the hobbyist community at large safe.

[RonJeremyJr11]

Embarrassed to describe this so won't go into blow by blow. Had talked to her on SB and seemed nice, alt ho a little too eager to meet. She is 31 yo redhead. Anyway, I was unsure about seeing her but figured what the heck worth doing out. She just moved into small house in Rensselaer in area near the River. Seems like that a popular town for problems. Went in, checked out the downstairs but believed her, like an idiot, that upstairs being redone as had just moved in. In room wants donation up front, I explained why I don't do that. Leaving out details, bf / pimp / guy there for her protection essentially forces point and I give to her to give to him. Won't describe the mess. And nonsense that ensued during all of that, but suffice it to say figure best to lose 1. 2 and get away from a bad situation. Might have taken the guy or forced to get $ back (fat white trash burly, butt crack showing, less teeth than fingers) but not worth risking my well being or ending up locked up, so lesson learned. When I called her later to yell at her, she claimed didn't know guy was going to pull the shit he did and was just there for her safety and that she had yelled at him and kicked him out afterwards, alt ho he kept the money so we both were screwed while not engaging in the literal version LOL. She has been on SB a oor recent weeks, but don't recognize her from any stg ads. Think she just a UTR pro lot semi-pro. Live and learn.

Do you have pics of her so that way of she does post on stg pr another site we would recognize her.

[Tomb8871]

Next time, if there is one. Tell them both to fuck off! Tell them call the cops and roll the dice.

Why?

Because you have info on your phone regarding sex for money. And if he is there strong arming you then he is a pimp and guilty of sex trafficking (felony).

And you will be happy to explain it to the police when they arrive. They will both go to jail and you get an appearance ticket for a misdemeanor. Even swap.

NOW, of course I don't mean it literally. But that is the angle you can play in that situation. Most crackheads or crumb bums haven't always thought it through and when you start quoting the law to them it may change the outcome.

Don't be a victim. Have a plan and stick to it.

Also, make no mistake, they were a team and it was contrived, she wasn't a victim there.

Peace.

PK.

Thanks. You probably right about their being in cahoots. She seemed pretty cowed by the guy, which is probably normal for that sort of relationship for lack of a better term. Just going to stay far away. Noticed she took her profile down BTW. Actually, seems like Rensselaer a good place to avoid.

[Loki Pk]

Embarrassed to describe this so won't go into blow by blow. Had talked to her on SB and seemed nice, alt ho a little too eager to meet. She is 31 yo redhead. Anyway, I was unsure about seeing her but figured what the heck worth doing out. She just moved into small house in Rensselaer in area near the River. Seems like that a popular town for problems. Went in, checked out the downstairs but believed her, like an idiot, that upstairs being redone as had just moved in. In room wants donation up front, I explained why I don't do that. Leaving out details, bf / pimp / guy there for her protection essentially forces point and I give to her to give to him. Won't describe the mess. And nonsense that ensued during all of that, but suffice it to say figure best to lose 1. 2 and get away from a bad situation. Might have taken the guy or forced to get $ back (fat white trash burly, butt crack showing, less teeth than fingers) but not worth risking my well being or ending up locked up, so lesson learned. When I called her later to yell at her, she claimed didn't know guy was going to pull the shit he did and was just there for her safety and that she had yelled at him and kicked him out afterwards, alt ho he kept the money so we both were screwed while not engaging in the literal version LOL. She has been on SB a oor recent weeks, but don't recognize her from any stg ads. Think she just a UTR pro lot semi-pro. Live and learn.

Next time, if there is one. Tell them both to fuck off! Tell them call the cops and roll the dice.

Why?

Because you have info on your phone regarding sex for money. And if he is there strong arming you then he is a pimp and guilty of sex trafficking (felony).

And you will be happy to explain it to the police when they arrive. They will both go to jail and you get an appearance ticket for a misdemeanor. Even swap.

NOW, of course I don't mean it literally. But that is the angle you can play in that situation. Most crackheads or crumb bums haven't always thought it through and when you start quoting the law to them it may change the outcome.

Don't be a victim. Have a plan and stick to it.

Also, make no mistake, they were a team and it was contrived, she wasn't a victim there.

Peace.

PK.

[OllieBear]

Embarrassed to describe this so won't go into blow by blow. Had talked to her on SB and seemed nice, alt ho a little too eager to meet. She is 31 yo redhead. Anyway, I was unsure about seeing her but figured what the heck worth doing out. She just moved into small house in Rensselaer in area near the River. Seems like that a popular town for problems. Went in, checked out the downstairs but believed her, like an idiot, that upstairs being redone as had just moved in. In room wants donation up front, I explained why I don't do that. Leaving out details, bf / pimp / guy there for her protection essentially forces point and I give to her to give to him. Won't describe the mess. And nonsense that ensued during all of that, but suffice it to say figure best to lose 1. 2 and get away from a bad situation. Might have taken the guy or forced to get $ back (fat white trash burly, butt crack showing, less teeth than fingers) but not worth risking my well being or ending up locked up, so lesson learned. When I called her later to yell at her, she claimed didn't know guy was going to pull the shit he did and was just there for her safety and that she had yelled at him and kicked him out afterwards, alt ho he kept the money so we both were screwed while not engaging in the literal version LOL. She has been on SB a oor recent weeks, but don't recognize her from any stg ads. Think she just a UTR pro lot semi-pro. Live and learn.

Please forgive my ignorance, but what is SB?

[Irishbastard]

Embarrassed to describe this so won't go into blow by blow. Had talked to her on SB and seemed nice, alt ho a little too eager to meet. She is 31 yo redhead. Anyway, I was unsure about seeing her but figured what the heck worth doing out. She just moved into small house in Rensselaer in area near the River. Seems like that a popular town for problems. Went in, checked out the downstairs but believed her, like an idiot, that upstairs being redone as had just moved in. In room wants donation up front, I explained why I don't do that. Leaving out details, bf / pimp / guy there for her protection essentially forces point and I give to her to give to him. Won't describe the mess. And nonsense that ensued during all of that, but suffice it to say figure best to lose 1. 2 and get away from a bad situation. Might have taken the guy or forced to get $ back (fat white trash burly, butt crack showing, less teeth than fingers) but not worth risking my well being or ending up locked up, so lesson learned. When I called her later to yell at her, she claimed didn't know guy was going to pull the shit he did and was just there for her safety and that she had yelled at him and kicked him out afterwards, alt ho he kept the money so we both were screwed while not engaging in the literal version LOL. She has been on SB a oor recent weeks, but don't recognize her from any stg ads. Think she just a UTR pro lot semi-pro. Live and learn.

Hate hearing those stories, just glad you got out safe.

[Tomb8871]

Embarrassed to describe this so won't go into blow by blow. Had talked to her on SB and seemed nice, alt ho a little too eager to meet. She is 31 yo redhead. Anyway, I was unsure about seeing her but figured what the heck worth doing out. She just moved into small house in Rensselaer in area near the River. Seems like that a popular town for problems. Went in, checked out the downstairs but believed her, like an idiot, that upstairs being redone as had just moved in. In room wants donation up front, I explained why I don't do that. Leaving out details, bf / pimp / guy there for her protection essentially forces point and I give to her to give to him. Won't describe the mess. And nonsense that ensued during all of that, but suffice it to say figure best to lose 1. 2 and get away from a bad situation. Might have taken the guy or forced to get $ back (fat white trash burly, butt crack showing, less teeth than fingers) but not worth risking my well being or ending up locked up, so lesson learned. When I called her later to yell at her, she claimed didn't know guy was going to pull the shit he did and was just there for her safety and that she had yelled at him and kicked him out afterwards, alt ho he kept the money so we both were screwed while not engaging in the literal version LOL. She has been on SB a oor recent weeks, but don't recognize her from any stg ads. Think she just a UTR pro lot semi-pro. Live and learn.

[Handyman3]

Called her about a week ago. Gave me some outrages price, told me she makes 3 grand a day, then starts getting real nasty with me for no reason. Would never trust her doing a hotel date. Maybe someone else has had better luck?

That would make her a millionaire. Think she'll loan me some money?