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[EGrayUpstate2]

Does anyone actually know what he's being charged with? If not, its all just speculation at this point. As for losing his job-if I'm the P. C. , I have to consider whether or not its prudent to keep this guy in my command after this incident, what kind of message it sends to the public. There just might be an outcry of "police misconduct" that forces the P. C. 's hand. Or, maybe he won't give a damn what anyone says or thinks and just keeps the guy on the job. Again-we don't know how this will turn out until the matter is resolved one way or the other. Until then, it's all speculation.

You're assuming he has the power to just fire someone LOL. There's a long history of APD off duty misconduct not leading to termination because they literally can't. He's protected by the Taylor Law. It has nothing to do with public relations. It's pretty clear this was self defense, he won't be charged with any sort of manslaughter. Misdemeanors and violations won't cut it from an off duty incident out of jurisdiction.

Even Officer Spratt wasn't terminated. He fucked multiple high school girls in his position as the resource officer at Watervliet High School. He even got what was in his pension.

[Raige614]

Unless they charge him with some sort of manslaughter and hes found guilty he won't be losing his APD job for trying to visit a pro. He may be demoted or suspended, but he won't lose his job at all from an off duty incident.

Does anyone actually know what he's being charged with? If not, its all just speculation at this point. As for losing his job-if I'm the P. C. , I have to consider whether or not its prudent to keep this guy in my command after this incident, what kind of message it sends to the public. There just might be an outcry of "police misconduct" that forces the P. C. 's hand. Or, maybe he won't give a damn what anyone says or thinks and just keeps the guy on the job. Again-we don't know how this will turn out until the matter is resolved one way or the other. Until then, it's all speculation.

[Stark44]

Honestly, I haven't been following all that closely since the initial report. I thought he was single? I know there are many other considerations but from what I had heard he was single and an Iraqi War vet. He shot a pimp but that does not mean he is a hero (as others claim on this board). I have zero doubt he would have busted any of us mongers given a chance so a bit of hypocrisy with accolades.

Check the local Albany papers from Saturday, January 12. I think the Iraq War vet is correct, though.

[EGrayUpstate2]

Unless they charge him with some sort of manslaughter and hes found guilty he won't be losing his APD job for trying to visit a pro. He may be demoted or suspended, but he won't lose his job at all from an off duty incident.

[Matt574]

I have to think that keeping his job is the least of his concerns. Not losing his marriage, not losing his family, keeping his liberty: I think those concerns all outweigh the job. Right now, it's hard for me to imagine that he'll be able to stay out of jail at some point for some period of time.

It's a scandal. Someone has to pay dearly for it happening. And no one is on his side. Losing his job just doesn't seem like enough in my estimation for them to feel like he suffered sufficiently. And the whole story, it seems to me, has yet to come out.

Honestly, I haven't been following all that closely since the initial report. I thought he was single? I know there are many other considerations but from what I had heard he was single and an Iraqi War vet. He shot a pimp but that does not mean he is a hero (as others claim on this board). I have zero doubt he would have busted any of us mongers given a chance so a bit of hypocrisy with accolades.

[Tomb8871]

I have to think that keeping his job is the least of his concerns. Not losing his marriage, not losing his family, keeping his liberty: I think those concerns all outweigh the job. Right now, it's hard for me to imagine that he'll be able to stay out of jail at some point for some period of time.

It's a scandal. Someone has to pay dearly for it happening. And no one is on his side. Losing his job just doesn't seem like enough in my estimation for them to feel like he suffered sufficiently. And the whole story, it seems to me, has yet to come out.

Not going to do jail time for misdemeanor offense, presumably first offense. Hinges on any wrongdoing in the shooting or not. Look at what has gone on in the Schenectady department for years where cops still hang on to jobs after all kinds of things. Agree that damage to his family life and reputation probably his biggest concern.

[Stark44]

It is hard for me to imagine that an off-duty officer who kills a pimp while he is trying to visit a prostitute is going to be employed on the same PD. Yes, cops frequent prostitutes all the time but under the radar. This is in the news. If he gets out of trouble he will probably have to be looking for a new LE job down in someplace like Louisiana or Florida. Might not be so particular about these kinds of things down there.

I have to think that keeping his job is the least of his concerns. Not losing his marriage, not losing his family, keeping his liberty: I think those concerns all outweigh the job. Right now, it's hard for me to imagine that he'll be able to stay out of jail at some point for some period of time.

It's a scandal. Someone has to pay dearly for it happening. And no one is on his side. Losing his job just doesn't seem like enough in my estimation for them to feel like he suffered sufficiently. And the whole story, it seems to me, has yet to come out.

[Stark44]

Hopefully ever pimp sees this ad and thinks twice before trying to rob someone.

But $3,000 cash is a lot for anyone to pass up, especially in that godforsaken marketplace. How long would he have to do whatever he was doing to get that much money up? Weeks? Months?

I don't think what happened would deter very many people in that situation. I imagine most would be be okay with taking their chances for that kind of pay-off.

[BigHead518]

It is hard for me to imagine that an off-duty officer who kills a pimp while he is trying to visit a prostitute is going to be employed on the same PD. Yes, cops frequent prostitutes all the time but under the radar. This is in the news. If he gets out of trouble he will probably have to be looking for a new LE job down in someplace like Louisiana or Florida. Might not be so particular about these kinds of things down there.

If the rule it justifiable I would bet, and hope, he keeps his job.

[Matt574]

The latest news reports suggest that her name is being withheld from the public because she is cooperating with the investigation. Reports also seem to indicate that the cop is headed for a pretty dark ride. They are far from finished with him over this.

It is hard for me to imagine that an off-duty officer who kills a pimp while he is trying to visit a prostitute is going to be employed on the same PD. Yes, cops frequent prostitutes all the time but under the radar. This is in the news. If he gets out of trouble he will probably have to be looking for a new LE job down in someplace like Louisiana or Florida. Might not be so particular about these kinds of things down there.

[FunTimes39]

You likely right in some fashion about the girl. Hopefully she doesn't end up down here. As to the shooting we don't know exact circumstances of the encounter. Most guys if pimp jumps out with a knife anyone here would be smart enuf just give up money and walk away alive. Bummer for the guy that they picked an armed cop as their victim. Hopefully guy just gets suspension and not fired and he a single guy Not getting life ruined. Over the years any number of girls have told me they have regulars in LE and presumably some of them actually telling the truth.

Hopefully ever pimp sees this ad and thinks twice before trying to rob someone.

[Stark44]

No mention of the hook's name, or whether or not she was arrested for solicitation. Here, they can't wait to plaster hooker's names and faces all over the news. I wonder if she is a snitch for Utica L. E. That would explain them not wanting to expose her.

The latest news reports suggest that her name is being withheld from the public because she is cooperating with the investigation. Reports also seem to indicate that the cop is headed for a pretty dark ride. They are far from finished with him over this.

[Tomb8871]

No mention of the hook's name, or whether or not she was arrested for solicitation. Here, they can't wait to plaster hooker's names and faces all over the news. I wonder if she is a snitch for Utica L. E. That would explain them not wanting to expose her.

You likely right in some fashion about the girl. Hopefully she doesn't end up down here. As to the shooting we don't know exact circumstances of the encounter. Most guys if pimp jumps out with a knife anyone here would be smart enuf just give up money and walk away alive. Bummer for the guy that they picked an armed cop as their victim. Hopefully guy just gets suspension and not fired and he a single guy Not getting life ruined. Over the years any number of girls have told me they have regulars in LE and presumably some of them actually telling the truth.

[Allbanny]

Any idea who the girl was? Been searching.

From the news reports it sounded to me like he may have met her at the Casino.

[Raige614]

Any idea who the girl was? Been searching.

No mention of the hook's name, or whether or not she was arrested for solicitation. Here, they can't wait to plaster hooker's names and faces all over the news. I wonder if she is a snitch for Utica L. E. That would explain them not wanting to expose her.