Court Finds 'Happy Endings' To Be Legitimate Massage Procedure

[JimmyBob]

What bugs me the most about the recent events:

1. Trafficking actually happens in this industry, but I don't think anyone has ever proven that it's a widespread problem. So when they find actual trafficking going on, they need to shut that shit down quick and make an example of the people responsible. Calling every AMP sting a trafficking operation is ridiculous and serves no purpose. It's PR and legal jumbo that I feel is ultimately harmful.

2. If they actually thought human trafficking was going on at this spa in Florida, why the hell were the cops sitting on their asses for a week while innocent women were being raped? Because if it actually was trafficking, that's what would be happening. The police knew this was just an AMP takedown. Someone got their panties in a twist and demanded action, or someone wanted a raise, or PR, or someone is running for office, or someone wanted to embarrass one of the clients in particular.

Anyway that's my feeling on that.

1) Trafficking sells more headlines.

2) the trumped up charges are there so that there's a greater chance of a plea and a "positive" win for the prosecution. See 3.

3) the legal system is just a joke and it's politics. Yes, there are real criminals, but there are also a lot of people facing charges and people that were "dumb" and take pleas just to get it over with because it is the path of least resistance. Fighting the charges is expensive, time consuming and you never know what way the wind will blow with your judge who's ultimately human and may be having a bad day. It sucks, because this shit ruins lives.

[HowardSprague]

Found this article on my AP News feed today. Some may find it interesting as it references (I believe) the notorious Coco and her bust from a few years back.

<https://apnews.com/6e0eb430041e431699ced179572f922f>.

[PlasterMoon]

'Christians' and conservatives might be an obstacle to total pot legalization (they are more of a drinking crowd) but they are are not a problem in regards to prostitution. The problem is that 'prostitution' is dislike by the other side, the feminists, the #MeToo-ists, as well as working women who intuitively see something that deep inside they are terrified of as well as jealous of (who said that women must be logical). They refuse to believe that it's often actually preserves their marriages from completely disintegrating. This whole largely invented and imagined phenomena of "human trafficking" is what mainly drives the antagonism towards legalization of prostitution and it sure is a baby of the left rather then the right. Not that it doesn't exist at all but it truly is very rare compared to fully consensual "trafficking" if you know what I mean.

There was a monger in previous posts who mentioned that his wife brought up Kraft over dinner table and he just kept silent. I think it was a mistake because silence sometimes speaks volumes. What he should've done is he should've shaken his head in dismay and said "that's disgusting" or something similar. I'm sure he'd seen his wife's face light up like a Christmas candle. They are totally illogically stupid in that regard. A female friend told me that she'd rather have her SO have a mistress (or two) then see commercial ladies because "that's dirty and disgusting". When I said that a mistress could actually pose a problem to her family while hookers in all likelihood won't and in fact probably serve to keep it together she would have none of it.

While of course it's true that the Woke crowd is ranting about trafficking, it was the GOP and Trump who instituted the laws that have crippled the internet for mongers and providers alike. That was done to throw a bone to the Christian base and wouldn't (and didn't) happen before the GOP controlled the White House and both houses of Congress. With neither side looking to provoke the other side's moralists, we may be stuck for a while.

[Nrlmus]

Such a great point!!

It also made me think, maybe legalization could happen in my life. 20 years ago I though pot would Never be legal, now it's probably less than a decade from being legal nationally. And same for gay marriage. And gay marriage is disliked by "christians" more than prostitution! This Kraft thing maybe the first step in our long road.

'Christians' and conservatives might be an obstacle to total pot legalization (they are more of a drinking crowd) but they are are not a problem in regards to prostitution. The problem is that 'prostitution' is dislike by the other side, the feminists, the #MeToo-ists, as well as working women who intuitively see something that deep inside they are terrified of as well as jealous of (who said that women must be logical). They refuse to believe that it's often actually preserves their marriages from completely disintegrating. This whole largely invented and imagined phenomena of "human trafficking" is what mainly drives the antagonism towards legalization of prostitution and it sure is a baby of the left rather then the right. Not that it doesn't exist at all but it truly is very rare compared to fully consensual "trafficking" if you know what I mean.

There was a monger in previous posts who mentioned that his wife brought up Kraft over dinner table and he just kept silent. I think it was a mistake because silence sometimes speaks volumes. What he should've done is he should've shaken his head in dismay and said "that's disgusting" or something similar. I'm sure he'd seen his wife's face light up like a Christmas candle. They are totally illogically stupid in that regard. A female friend told me that she'd rather have her SO have a mistress (or two) then see commercial ladies because "that's dirty and disgusting". When I said that a mistress could actually pose a problem to her family while hookers in all likelihood won't and in fact probably serve to keep it together she would have none of it.

[Dickpalmer]

Funny-a few years ago our attorney general could have been arrested for her sexual choices.

Such a great point!!

It also made me think, maybe legalization could happen in my life. 20 years ago I though pot would Never be legal, now it's probably less than a decade from being legal nationally. And same for gay marriage. And gay marriage is disliked by "christians" more than prostitution! This Kraft thing maybe the first step in our long road.

[Big Head]

The real trafficking places are almost impossible to find.

Shutting down a HJ place is a very simple, low risk operation that earns them some points, looks good on their resume and may lead to a promotion.

-BH.

[Nrlmus]

A friend of mine told me told me that he gets a massage at some Asian place. I asked him if it offers any extras, like happy ending. He responded that he doesn't want to discuss things like that over the phone. This is the third time somebody refuses to discuss something over the phone or asking me if I'm crazy for mentioning something during phone conversation because who knows, right?

Being an immigrant from the USSR before it turned into Russia, etc I can safely say that I've come the full circle.

[Nrlmus]

The affidavit is quite a read. In order to get the warrant for the video surveillance, they.

1) Watched 4 men go into the spa.

2) followed them when they came out.

3) ALL 4 OF THEM had a traffic violation of some kind and got pulled over (guffaw).

4) ALL 4 OF THEM quickly implicated themselves by admitting to receiving illegal services.

The other evidence was the jizz-soaked tissues in the trash. Any attorney worth his pay could flip that.

I am not a lawyer, but if I was on RK's legal team I'd be highly skeptical that this warrant was issued under legit evidence. Just sayin'.

They are not after convictions, they're after publicity. It actually applies to most hobbyists not RK only.

[Turbate]

Funny-a few years ago our attorney general could have been arrested for her sexual choices.

Quite ironic right? Her entire time as AG she's been trying to take everyone else's rights away. You'd think she would appreciate the importance of freedom of choice to live your life how you see fit.

[Lincoln54]

I was listening to the radio today and Atty. Gen. Maura Healey was on. She talked a lot about stopping sex trafficking and how they are moving away from prosecuting the "victims" and focusing their attention the "supply side" and go after the Johns. She also had a lot of nonsense facts about how they are all trafficked, pimped, and how young a lot of these girls are in the AMP's. Really? Where? The next girl I meet in an AMP that is under 25, will be my first. Seriously though, this is going to get more dangerous. The Kraft situation worked perfect for them, this is what they want. LEO wants to humiliate us until we stop going. I don't know about MA law vs. FL law but I would bet they will be trying the same tactics here soon.

DP.

Funny-a few years ago our attorney general could have been arrested for her sexual choices.

[punteruk]

The affidavit is quite a read. In order to get the warrant for the video surveillance, they.

1) Watched 4 men go into the spa.

2) followed them when they came out.

3) ALL 4 OF THEM had a traffic violation of some kind and got pulled over (guffaw).

4) ALL 4 OF THEM quickly implicated themselves by admitting to receiving illegal services.

The other evidence was the jizz-soaked tissues in the trash. Any attorney worth his pay could flip that.

I am not a lawyer, but if I was on RK's legal team I'd be highly skeptical that this warrant was issued under legit evidence. Just sayin'.

[Mm196]

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[Plman Smith]

His driver dropped him off in the White Bentley on Saturday. On Sunday it was the Blue Bentley. Guess he thought they wouldn't notice.

Just heard this on Sport Hub and found the Kraft affidavits online. So, Kraft went in on the 19th got a handy. THEN he got pulled over in a Bentley on his way out of the massage parlor and got positively ID'd via his drivers license. THEN he went back for 2nd handy / possible BJ the next god damn day. Wow, noob move. If you get pulled over leaving a parlor for even a traffic stop, that should raise a red flag.

Why are you posting the phone number of a brother monger who had the bad luck to get caught up in a sweep?

Do you think that couldn't happen to you? If it did would you be ok with people posting your arrest documents including your phone number and address on the forum?

Why is he different because he's rich?

A2

[Sounds]

I don't know about any of you out there but the Kraft story has provoked some very uncomfortable conversations for me. My wife and I were just visiting her cousin in Florida very near where he was busted, so it was a hot topic around the dinner table for all the time we were there. I tried my best to sound as ignorant as they were about such things, but it was hard to respond to my wife's speculation about how all these rich men found out which massage parlors offer extras. She said, "Mar-a-Lago -I'll bet they are all members there and this is where they compare notes about places to go. " I'm thinking, "You don't need to pay tens of thousands in club fees to find out where to get a helping hand. " But I just kept my mouth shut.

OM.

I have wondered how many guys have used the wives "ignorance" to tell them they were actually going to one of these places for a massage. "drop me off while you go shopping".

[Jaristas]

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