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[Oxy Moron]

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I know you weren't trying to do it but the simple mention of either party kicks it off and it never stops.

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[SlowMo]

A couple of weeks ago, I noticed a new note taped on the wall of my room at 1060 that stated, in both Chinese and English, that all employees are free to come and go, etc. This was well before the FL news broke out. And I'm certain it wasn't there not that long ago. Somehow that AMP was hip to the fact this is a topic of interest to the authorities. By the casual grammar on the note, I'd say it was written in-house without professional help.

[punteruk]

Turns out a Mamasan who was busted in Oxford in 2013 had moved and set up shop in Florida. So, connecting the dots, Kraft probably went to (or more likely frequented) the Oxford place and knew the mamasan and that's why he was patronizing her place down in Florida. Going to get ugly up here soon if this is the case as the local political types and LE will want to puff out their righteousness feathers again.

https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/n...lorida-scandal

This article from 2013 proves the point. The police were using the "trafficking" cudgel as much as possible. The "trafficker" went to trial, and for these supposed crimes got six months probation. No follow-up was ever done to explain how the trafficking charges were dropped. None of the "victims" were ever located. Total BS. And it's working again.

[Jeevs]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/2982383002/

[Aluver]

Turns out a Mamasan who was busted in Oxford in 2013 had moved and set up shop in Florida. So, connecting the dots, Kraft probably went to (or more likely frequented) the Oxford place and knew the mamasan and that's why he was patronizing her place down in Florida. Going to get ugly up here soon if this is the case as the local political types and LE will want to puff out their righteousness feathers again.

https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/n...lorida-scandal

[Garthy]

I was listening to the radio today and Atty. Gen. Maura Healey was on. She talked a lot about stopping sex trafficking and how they are moving away from prosecuting the "victims" and focusing their attention the "supply side" and go after the Johns. She also had a lot of nonsense facts about how they are all trafficked, pimped, and how young a lot of these girls are in the AMP's. Really? Where? The next girl I meet in an AMP that is under 25, will be my first. Seriously though, this is going to get more dangerous. The Kraft situation worked perfect for them, this is what they want. LEO wants to humiliate us until we stop going. I don't know about MA law vs. FL law but I would bet they will be trying the same tactics here soon.

DP.

But would LOVE for them to go after all of the trafficked victims at nail salons, dry cleaners and bodegas. Shit, I would guess that there are more Vietnamese women trafficked in nail salons in Springfield alone than all of the employees of AMPs in the entire state!

[Dickpalmer]

I was listening to the radio today and Atty. Gen. Maura Healey was on. She talked a lot about stopping sex trafficking and how they are moving away from prosecuting the "victims" and focusing their attention the "supply side" and go after the Johns. She also had a lot of nonsense facts about how they are all trafficked, pimped, and how young a lot of these girls are in the AMP's. Really? Where? The next girl I meet in an AMP that is under 25, will be my first. Seriously though, this is going to get more dangerous. The Kraft situation worked perfect for them, this is what they want. LEO wants to humiliate us until we stop going. I don't know about MA law vs. FL law but I would bet they will be trying the same tactics here soon.

DP.

[Mini Man]

Glenn Q, your "Ethics" article was on point. An analogy is the trafficking of Maijuana, it is now legal in alot of states, taxed and regulated, no more "war on drugs". The majority of women I have encountered in the "Massage Trade" are in their 40's, are here legally and love the money they get. Treat the problem don't put them out of business.

[Bastardale]

What bugs me the most about the recent events:

1. Trafficking actually happens in this industry, but I don't think anyone has ever proven that it's a widespread problem. So when they find actual trafficking going on, they need to shut that shit down quick and make an example of the people responsible. Calling every AMP sting a trafficking operation is ridiculous and serves no purpose. It's PR and legal jumbo that I feel is ultimately harmful.

2. If they actually thought human trafficking was going on at this spa in Florida, why the hell were the cops sitting on their asses for a week while innocent women were being raped? Because if it actually was trafficking, that's what would be happening. The police knew this was just an AMP takedown. Someone got their panties in a twist and demanded action, or someone wanted a raise, or PR, or someone is running for office, or someone wanted to embarrass one of the clients in particular.

Anyway that's my feeling on that.

[PinayLuver]

I hear you. We all know that using trafficking as the reason to crack down on prostitution is the same as claiming marijuana is a gateway drug. It's just another deceptive argument perpetrated by all sides of the American political spectrum who can't face the real facts or come up with a legitimate defense of laws that do far more harm than good.

Instead of listening to the hysterical and uninformed, maybe we should listen to the experts who've actually conducted some real research and formulation of thoughtful policy:

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org...zation/2017-01

(you know, like the AMA, Amnesty International, the WHO, the UN, and the rest of these rogue organizations dedicated to the subjugation and exploitation of women).

I know it's an uphill battle but at least the Robert Kraft incident has many of us, including some in the MSM, discussing the real elephant, and the real solution in the room:

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-sme...-kraft-arrest/

Not sure how else to amplify the facts and message so any thoughts are welcome. P.S. , be safe and happy hunting.

The only reason law enforcement is all over us mongers is because they can get away with. By going to these places we are not guilty of trafficking these women but we are guilty of participating in trafficking by supporting them with $$.

[Glenn Q]

The forces against this have produced a trump card (no pun) which is the trafficking argument. It will immediately shut down any conversation about changing things.

I see that the Jupiter Police are already walking the "trafficking" thing back. I think they may have overshot this one. If you've used AMPs, you know damn well the majority of these girls are from NYC and doing it for casino money, and the most they will offer is a HJ. Maybe somebody with the resources to fight this like Kraft will expose the trafficking myth and maybe they won't be so quick to label these girls as "victims".

I hear you. We all know that using trafficking as the reason to crack down on prostitution is the same as claiming marijuana is a gateway drug. It's just another deceptive argument perpetrated by all sides of the American political spectrum who can't face the real facts or come up with a legitimate defense of laws that do far more harm than good.

Instead of listening to the hysterical and uninformed, maybe we should listen to the experts who've actually conducted some real research and formulation of thoughtful policy:

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org...zation/2017-01

(you know, like the AMA, Amnesty International, the WHO, the UN, and the rest of these rogue organizations dedicated to the subjugation and exploitation of women).

I know it's an uphill battle but at least the Robert Kraft incident has many of us, including some in the MSM, discussing the real elephant, and the real solution in the room:

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-sme...-kraft-arrest/

Not sure how else to amplify the facts and message so any thoughts are welcome. P.S. , be safe and happy hunting.

[punteruk]

Couldn't agree more. I started a post on this very topic a few weeks ago on the SW thread. Every other developed country except America has legalized prostitution. Why? Because it makes sense on every level. It empowers, not demeans women, it reduces, not increases the market for trafficking and underage sex, it reduces, not increases drug addiction among providers, it is safer for men and women in crime and the spread of STD's, it generates huge amounts of tax revenue, it frees law enforcement to focus on real crime and it keeps government out of a victimless transaction between consenting adults. Any if us who have traveled abroad know all of this.

The forces against this have produced a trump card (no pun) which is the trafficking argument. It will immediately shut down any conversation about changing things.

I see that the Jupiter Police are already walking the "trafficking" thing back. I think they may have overshot this one. If you've used AMPs, you know damn well the majority of these girls are from NYC and doing it for casino money, and the most they will offer is a HJ. Maybe somebody with the resources to fight this like Kraft will expose the trafficking myth and maybe they won't be so quick to label these girls as "victims".

[FolleBlanche]

That woman got a lot of money from the businessman but got greedy and asked for more. 280 k total. She should've stopped after the initial shakedown. The businessman eventually went to the police.

Kraft went to a place in Florida that had a table shower. Those places are usually more FS. Maybe he got that instead of just a handshake. Wrong place wrong time. His image is gone / tainted now.

Some news outlets have said oral and manual in reference to Kraft over the past couple of days, but today the NYT reported that the video appears to show him getting two hjs. Also, that one visit was just 13 minutes. Sure doesn't sound like he was in for FS.

[Daddy Big Dick]

Is it really "trafficking"? Or is it a buzzword that lefty do gooders use to stop prostitution using any means and to play on the public's emotions?

I've been using AMPs for years and never once thought I was using "trafficked" slave girls.

It's definitely misused as a tool or buzzword to justify prostitution arrests. If their goal was to save these women from trafficking, then they should have taken some kind of action as early as possible, not install cameras and wait what, six weeks, allowing them to allegedly be trafficked before taking action. This was done to prosecute men, not save women.

As far as local AMPs go, ask them where they live and you'll hear that they're mostly locals. Ask them if they're doing this by choice and I'll bet they say yes.

[Glenn Q]

It is time for change. Every other country allows this type of activity legally. Why can't the best country in the world allow it. It is a complete of tax payer dollars to go after providers and men for this activity. Instead wasting money, it should be taxed as a revenue stream for states and our government. Not only that, it will reduce trafficking. I don't understand why our society is so negative towards this activity. We need more common sense in our government.

With all that being said, I will mostly not visit any AMP in the near future. Just too much attention which is unfortunate. Too all my friends, stay safe and get a good lawyer.

Couldn't agree more. I started a post on this very topic a few weeks ago on the SW thread. Every other developed country except America has legalized prostitution. Why? Because it makes sense on every level. It empowers, not demeans women, it reduces, not increases the market for trafficking and underage sex, it reduces, not increases drug addiction among providers, it is safer for men and women in crime and the spread of STD's, it generates huge amounts of tax revenue, it frees law enforcement to focus on real crime and it keeps government out of a victimless transaction between consenting adults. Any if us who have traveled abroad know all of this.

There is nothing that Robert Kraft should be embarrassed about. He's a decent man, that has given millions to worthy charities, and he's created the best franchise in the NFL. Way better than Jim Irsay, driving heavily under the influence, and a dead mistress some where along the way, The only embarrassment here is that the USA remains the only developed country still living in the dark ages when it comes to the most natural act between two consenting adults.