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[Allen981]

First of all, I find it very hard to believe that the cops would come to your house and tell your wife what they were looking for you for. They are not suppose to do that. Second of all, what did the person you see do that got them in the slammer for a year? Another question is how did the cops find you? If you did nothing wrong and the cops had nothing on you except them knowing you saw the person who stole identity they should not even have showed up to your house. Unless it was your identity that was stolen. Is that what happened? I know from experience how this works. The cops showing up to your house over a case of stolen identity and telling your wife what they were there for sounds bogus for several reasons. Tell us what really happened. Hell, show us who this was if you can. Maybe some guys will finally have a mystery solved if they're identity was ever stolen if you are in fact telling the truth.

They did come, and in a case where someone claims to being held against their will (a girl with the service had made a claim), rest assured they'll go anywhere. They covered up the real reason for their visit to my house with the cover of stolen identity to protect me. I'm eternally grateful.

This particular operation routinely had new featured workers every two weeks or so, all from out of town it seemed. I have no idea who or how many they ever got, but the low level house manager took a fall. This was nine or 10 years ago (maybe even longer) but I will never forget a second of it.

[Allen981]

The creative loafing is still around?

It is, but the ads that were of most interest have long gone away.

[Allen981]

1. You got lucky.

2. If you are at the scene of the crime (an AMP) and a raid is going on, your gut better be telling you to be quiet.

Not an AMP and they didn't seek me out until three days later. An out of town agency girl had called the police, making claims I knew nothing about.

I may well have gotten lucky, but I am absolutely certain had I NOT cooperated I would have been involved headfirst in something I did not want to be involved in. I'll never forget my shock when they showed up at the receptionist desk in my office building. It was clear they only wanted info that could possibly get higher ups. I told them what I knew (very little) was open and honest, and they stuck to their word. I never heard from them again. This was likely nine or 10 years ago.

Don't remember the name of the large girl who seemed to be the manager (she required a copy of your driver's license) but there was a red headed girl who would show you to the right place. She's the one that suffered.

Stay safe.

[JackMehauf]

The creative loafing is still around?

It's online only now, I believe.

[TooHotForYou]

The creative loafing is still around?

They were still a thing in the 2000's and 2010's.

[FutureTrunks]

Had two officers show up at my house unannounced. I was at work, but my wife was there. They said they were investigating a case of stolen identity. Very cool, because they actually had busted a well known Creative Loafing advertiser that I had visited two days before. The next day, they showed up in the lobby of my company, asking for me. They were discreet and professional. We found a table in the lobby cafe, and it was clear that they knew who I was and where I'd been. Given their incredibly wonderful response to my wife the day before, I thanked them. They made clear they wanted only information, not me, and that if I answered their questions, I'd never hear from them again. I cooperated, even allowed them to look through my phone. After 10 minutes, they said thanks, shook my hand and I never heard from the again. I followed the case, and one friend from Creative Loafing went to jail for over a year; others involved I never heard about.

Had I remained quiet and unwilling to help, I am 100 percent certain I would have wound up in jail. But because of the way they handled talking to my wife, I felt I could trust them, and I was right, thankfully.

Sometimes you have to follow your gut.

The creative loafing is still around?

[AsianMan03]

Does anyone actually have experience being at a shop when it was raided? It seems you cover yourself and are ok. So if you do stay silent I'm assuming they do not have a right ask you for I'd; and then you ask if you are being detained. If no, you leave. It seems like they will look around and try to find some probably cause to come up with a reason to arrest you. Obviously since you are there and likely disrobed.

I was at a Kamp during a police raid many years ago. Fortunately I was in the sauna when LE arrived. I know it's legal to take a sauna so I was polite and gave them my I'd when asked. Then one cop asked why I was there and I said just to get a massage. He pressed me and I said I just wanted a massage and he let me go.

If you're at a Camp and a licensed masseuse is giving you a massage, there's nothing illegal about that. Just grab a towel and be draped. Be polite to LE but don't say anything as other posters have said. Should LE walk in while you're getting a BJ, then just ask the cop if he wants to go next since you're almost done. LOL.

[Parkway91]

Does anyone actually have experience being at a shop when it was raided? It seems you cover yourself and are ok. So if you do stay silent I'm assuming they do not have a right ask you for I'd; and then you ask if you are being detained. If no, you leave. It seems like they will look around and try to find some probably cause to come up with a reason to arrest you. Obviously since you are there and likely disrobed.

[The Wiseacre]

Sometimes you have to follow your gut.

1. You got lucky.

2. If you are at the scene of the crime (an AMP) and a raid is going on, your gut better be telling you to be quiet.

[TooHotForYou]

Had two officers show up at my house unannounced. I was at work, but my wife was there. They said they were investigating a case of stolen identity. Very cool, because they actually had busted a well known Creative Loafing advertiser that I had visited two days before. The next day, they showed up in the lobby of my company, asking for me. They were discreet and professional. We found a table in the lobby cafe, and it was clear that they knew who I was and where I'd been. Given their incredibly wonderful response to my wife the day before, I thanked them. They made clear they wanted only information, not me, and that if I answered their questions, I'd never hear from them again. I cooperated, even allowed them to look through my phone. After 10 minutes, they said thanks, shook my hand and I never heard from the again. I followed the case, and one friend from Creative Loafing went to jail for over a year; others involved I never heard about.

Had I remained quiet and unwilling to help, I am 100 percent certain I would have wound up in jail. But because of the way they handled talking to my wife, I felt I could trust them, and I was right, thankfully.

Sometimes you have to follow your gut.

First of all, I find it very hard to believe that the cops would come to your house and tell your wife what they were looking for you for. They are not suppose to do that. Second of all, what did the person you see do that got them in the slammer for a year? Another question is how did the cops find you? If you did nothing wrong and the cops had nothing on you except them knowing you saw the person who stole identity they should not even have showed up to your house. Unless it was your identity that was stolen. Is that what happened? I know from experience how this works. The cops showing up to your house over a case of stolen identity and telling your wife what they were there for sounds bogus for several reasons. Tell us what really happened. Hell, show us who this was if you can. Maybe some guys will finally have a mystery solved if they're identity was ever stolen if you are in fact telling the truth.

[CuriousVaMan]

This too is a great "Don't Talk to the Police" video from a law professor. It's a longer video but well worth the watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

This short Youtube video from a defense lawyer explains what I was saying and why it's best to remain silent from the beginning. I'm not a lawyer so I may be misinterpreting some of it but I'd rather play it safe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaRnsgFfZUI

I apologize to the moderators if posting video links is not allowed. I'm only doing it for good of the brotherhood.

[Thirty3]

Are you saying they arrested a girl who advertised in that paper?

Not sure most of us know what you're driving at.

[Allen981]

You don't need to talk to the police at all. You can say hello or greet them but if they ask you anything else, you should ask if you are being detained. If they say no then invoke the 5th. If they are detaining you, they need to read your Miranda rights. If they Miranda you, you need to invoke the 5th and say nothing else. Yes, they might take you to jail and make your lawyer get you out, but if you choose to abandon your rights then you are digging your own grave.

Had two officers show up at my house unannounced. I was at work, but my wife was there. They said they were investigating a case of stolen identity. Very cool, because they actually had busted a well known Creative Loafing advertiser that I had visited two days before. The next day, they showed up in the lobby of my company, asking for me. They were discreet and professional. We found a table in the lobby cafe, and it was clear that they knew who I was and where I'd been. Given their incredibly wonderful response to my wife the day before, I thanked them. They made clear they wanted only information, not me, and that if I answered their questions, I'd never hear from them again. I cooperated, even allowed them to look through my phone. After 10 minutes, they said thanks, shook my hand and I never heard from the again. I followed the case, and one friend from Creative Loafing went to jail for over a year; others involved I never heard about.

Had I remained quiet and unwilling to help, I am 100 percent certain I would have wound up in jail. But because of the way they handled talking to my wife, I felt I could trust them, and I was right, thankfully.

Sometimes you have to follow your gut.

[WilliamDawg]

Because some courts have ruled that once you begin answering questions, you have essentially waived your right to remain silent and that your "initiation" of silence at that point can now be considered incriminating evidence to be used against you. It sucks, it's not fair but it's reality.

I think that was an Appellate Court ruling not Supreme Court, which if true means this information isn't correct.

[The Wiseacre]

This short Youtube video from a defense lawyer explains what I was saying and why it's best to remain silent from the beginning. I'm not a lawyer so I may be misinterpreting some of it but I'd rather play it safe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaRnsgFfZUI

I apologize to the moderators if posting video links is not allowed. I'm only doing it for good of the brotherhood.

You don't need to talk to the police at all. You can say hello or greet them but if they ask you anything else, you should ask if you are being detained. If they say no then invoke the 5th. If they are detaining you, they need to read your Miranda rights. If they Miranda you, you need to invoke the 5th and say nothing else. Yes, they might take you to jail and make your lawyer get you out, but if you choose to abandon your rights then you are digging your own grave.