Ripoff Reports

[James185]

You posted neither a link or the pic that you "thankfully grabbed" that would help anyone else that is mongering. So really I am not sure how valuable your post really is. The post's for Kate that show 2 cute girls is shouting scam as I did contact her and she told me a cash app was necessary and even though I am smart enough to ignore what is clearly a scam. There has been multiple posts in this forum that explains NEVER USE A CASH APP FOR THESE girls.

I received the same message only cash ap and pay portion upfront. Just ignore those ads.

[Storm321]

So today I'm looking in the Daytona area and come across Kate.

I reach out and agree to pick her up outside a store on MLK in the hood.

Kate tells me she is staying at the days inn on us 1 so we do our 100 cash app.

And away we go. Once moving she says she has lost her key and will need me to hide so mgmt.

Doesn't throw her out for traffic. I'm eager to obildge only to have her exit and start walking away from the hotel.

With my Mario.

I go back to the days inn and advise she is a hooker and then proceed to report the theft to cash app and my bank.

Kate has gone ghost and is not responding but thankfully I grabbed a nice pic of her outside the store for future uses and annomous law enforcement tips.

Stay as far away as you can from this girl and keep your Mario's safe!

If you had been on this site a little longer you would know that what you did is something most of us who have been here a while would never do! Live and learn.

[Mongerlicious]

So today I'm looking in the Daytona area and come across Kate.

I reach out and agree to pick her up outside a store on MLK in the hood.

Kate tells me she is staying at the days inn on us 1 so we do our 100 cash app.

And away we go. Once moving she says she has lost her key and will need me to hide so mgmt.

Doesn't throw her out for traffic. I'm eager to obildge only to have her exit and start walking away from the hotel.

With my Mario

I go back to the days inn and advise she is a hooker and then proceed to report the theft to cash app and my bank.

Kate has gone ghost and is not responding but thankfully I grabbed a nice pic of her outside the store for future uses and annomous law enforcement tips.

Stay as far away as you can from this girl and keep your Mario's safe!

You posted neither a link or the pic that you "thankfully grabbed" that would help anyone else that is mongering. So really I am not sure how valuable your post really is. The post's for Kate that show 2 cute girls is shouting scam as I did contact her and she told me a cash app was necessary and even though I am smart enough to ignore what is clearly a scam. There has been multiple posts in this forum that explains NEVER USE A CASH APP FOR THESE girls.

[Sunny1966]

So today I'm looking in the Daytona area and come across Kate.

I reach out and agree to pick her up outside a store on MLK in the hood.

Kate tells me she is staying at the days inn on us 1 so we do our 100 cash app.

And away we go. Once moving she says she has lost her key and will need me to hide so mgmt.

Doesn't throw her out for traffic. I'm eager to obildge only to have her exit and start walking away from the hotel.

With my Mario.

I go back to the days inn and advise she is a hooker and then proceed to report the theft to cash app and my bank.

Kate has gone ghost and is not responding but thankfully I grabbed a nice pic of her outside the store for future uses and annomous law enforcement tips.

Stay as far away as you can from this girl and keep your Mario's safe!

[Member #6026]

What is that scammers get out of that? Phone numbers to hack? Emails to spam? I am just curious. Any spammers out there that want to enlighten us? .

Here's another way scammers try to monetise the information gap: http://archive.ph/aVz15.

By pimping a fake hookup site.

Loved the title though. I wonder if scammers have Freudian slips?

[Carlosa]

And gift card not cash.

Some providers from south America list in kg and cm.

Emails, phone numbers and in some cases, deposits or other info. You would be amazed what can be derived from a few nuggets of info. I use a text app that also makes calls, burried deep in my phone. I used to keep a mongering phone, but that was too hard to explain when uncovered accidently.

Emails and numbers can be sold off on the black web. And the ones that require a deposit, well shame on any monger that falls for that.

Here are the quick tells it is a scammer:

Location: downtown, in your area, anywhere you want me, online, FL.

Height: listed in CM not feet or inches.

Weight: listed in KG not lbs.

Images that don't match, or have a gmail.com address on them directly.

And if they are knockout fucking georgous. We are NOT that lucky!

[NewAgain]

Emails, phone numbers and in some cases, deposits or other info. You would be amazed what can be derived from a few nuggets of info. I use a text app that also makes calls, burried deep in my phone. I used to keep a mongering phone, but that was too hard to explain when uncovered accidently.

Emails and numbers can be sold off on the black web. And the ones that require a deposit, well shame on any monger that falls for that.

Here are the quick tells it is a scammer:

Location: downtown, in your area, anywhere you want me, online, FL.

Height: listed in CM not feet or inches.

Weight: listed in KG not lbs.

Images that don't match, or have a gmail.com address on them directly.

And if they are knockout fucking georgous. We are NOT that lucky!

What is that scammers get out of that? Phone numbers to hack? Emails to spam? I am just curious. Any spammers out there that want to enlighten us? .

[NewAgain]

Well, there is pressure now for sure. LOL I will try to do my best. Had a family weekend some took off from my monger duties, but should start another one in a day or two!

Gentlemen, let me add another red flag to your scam-detecting arsenal. Scammers have recently been posting adds with pictures such as in this ad:

http://archive.ph/blx5K

*Note that I haven't researched this particular ad thoroughly so I'm not definitively claiming it's fake. I currently consider it "suspicious" and present it here for illustrative purposes only.

The red flag in this example ad is that all of the pictures have text ("Rebecca" in this case) added to them. The reason scammers do this is to fool TinEye and similar image matching engines.

However, some legitimate providers will occasionally do the same, especially with phone numbers. Sometimes they want their number to accompany their picture for ease of contact, and sometimes they want to make it more difficult for others to repurpose their photos.

So while adding text to photos doesn't guarantee a fake, I do consider it a red flag, especially when it's every photo.

Unrelated: do you blokes ever establish numerical significance to your posts? You know, like it's your 100th or 1000th post so you want it to be particularly meaningful? I just noticed that this is post 151 for me, so I have this weird compulsion to give a shout out to Bacardi. NewAgain has a big one coming up soon. I'm expecting great things from that post. No pressure brother, lol!

[Member #6026]

Gentlemen, let me add another red flag to your scam-detecting arsenal. Scammers have recently been posting adds with pictures such as in this ad:

http://archive.ph/blx5K

*Note that I haven't researched this particular ad thoroughly so I'm not definitively claiming it's fake. I currently consider it "suspicious" and present it here for illustrative purposes only.

The red flag in this example ad is that all of the pictures have text ("Rebecca" in this case) added to them. The reason scammers do this is to fool TinEye and similar image matching engines.

However, some legitimate providers will occasionally do the same, especially with phone numbers. Sometimes they want their number to accompany their picture for ease of contact, and sometimes they want to make it more difficult for others to repurpose their photos.

So while adding text to photos doesn't guarantee a fake, I do consider it a red flag, especially when it's every photo.

Unrelated: do you blokes ever establish numerical significance to your posts? You know, like it's your 100th or 1000th post so you want it to be particularly meaningful? I just noticed that this is post 151 for me, so I have this weird compulsion to give a shout out to Bacardi. NewAgain has a big one coming up soon. I'm expecting great things from that post. No pressure brother, lol!

[NbWill]

What is that scammers get out of that? Phone numbers to hack? Emails to spam? I am just curious. Any spammers out there that want to enlighten us? .

[Bud Green]

I'm posting this because there are an increasing number of posts asking "Has anybody seen this one?" when the ad in question is clearly a fake / scam. So we'll use the fake ad in the following link to discuss the red flags that accompany most fakes (I will use the words "fake" and "scam" synonymously from here on):

http://archive.ph/FBBCu

Let's start with the title:

Single mom Want li.cked pussy-- 862***2074

Scammers will often use overtly crass language that most providers would not. Most providers are subtle in their titles, often with clever innuendos suggesting what they want without being so explicit. Also, fakes seem to favor descriptors like "single mom," "unhappy wife," "recently divorced," that legitimate ads don't. Scammers will also throw in errors (like the capital W or the period in "li.cked") to try and make the ads appear legitimate and not too clean, but I wouldn't use this as a red flag unless you're very experienced at spotting how fake ad errors are often noticably different from real ones.

Now for that phone number with the unrecognizable area code. The vast majority of real ads will have local area codes (386, 321, 407, and 904). The vast majority of fake ads will not. There are notable exceptions like Kate and Christian, who kept their mobile numbers when they moved here, but most Volusia providers do have 386 area codes, with a smattering of the others thrown in.

Next, their advertised age. I don't recommend using an ad's listed age to discriminate fakes. So many legitimate ads have fake ages that it makes it hard to tell. However, I'd say about 98% of Volusia providers list their age as 24 or older. Offhand I can only recall one active advertiser who lists an age younger than 24 (Deland Barbie, 22). So the listed age of 27 in our example isn't a red flag to me, but you should be highly skeptical of any ad with a listed age of 18 or 19.

And now the improbably good pictures. I recommend taking a good look at the pictures of providers you know are legitimate* and comparing them to our example. Many fakes have high-quality images (good lighting, staging, etc. much like our example pictures) with high-quality content (like the improbably hot lass in our example). Most real ads will be low-quality images with realistic women as the subject.

* You know an ad is legitimate because reputable mongers have reviewed them. This means you have to RTFF (Read The Fucking Forum). I really can't stress this enough. You must read the forum (more on this later).

The next thing you should do is a TinEye (or similar) search on the images to see where else they appear on the web. Here are three ways to do this (and here I assume you are using a smartphone):

Method 1. Within the STG ad, tap on the picture in question. Then tap on the link at the bottom of the picture that says "Is this photo real?" This method used to work for me but now I get a security policy error, so on to method 2.

Method 2. Within the ad, tap on the picture in question. Next, tap-and-hold on the image. When the menu comes up, select "Copy Image Location" or similar option. Next, launch tineye.com. Tap-and-hold on the search field, select "Paste" from the pop-up menu, and tap the search button (the one with the magnifying glass icon). This method works with most browsers on most sites, but doesn't work for me on our archive.ph example, so on to method 3.

Method 3. If the previous 2 methods don't work, this one almost certainly will. In our fake ad example, tap on the picture. Next, tap-and-hold on the image until the pop-up menu comes up. Select "Save Image" or similar and save it to a folder you can easily find (like Downloads, Gallery, etc.). Then launch tineye.com. Press the upload button which is to the left of the search field and navigate to the folder you saved your picture in. Then select your picture and TinEye does the rest. In our example, three hits came back dating back to 2013. Also, the same pics are in use currently (as of this posting) on escortads.ch in Ames Iowa with a different phone number. Pretty questionable for a Daytona lass. If you are really computer savvy, it couldn't hurt to run other image processing and matching applications, but expounding on them all here is a bridge too far I'm afraid.

Thank you for your time and effort in sharing your words of wisdom. Much appreciated.

[Member #6026]

http://archive.ph/FBBCu

Now that you've scanned through the ad, if you still think it might be real, the next thing you do is read the forum. There's really no shortcutting this one. In fact, you should have been reading the forum all along and know if she's been reviewed or not. This is important because many ads don't list names to search, so it helps if you've already read all available reviews and clicked on the links within (which good reviews should have) so you know who's being discussed and can connect names with ads. You can also search other forums / review sites, and look for that provider's ads on other sites as well.

There are still plausible reasons why real ads have red flags in them. But the totality of the red flags in scamming ads is usually pretty overwhelming. I've often felt real ads could be fakes (Christian was one, http://archive.ph/Z5klv) but I'm not sure I've ever thought that a fake ad was real. Then again, I am an absolute dick to these scammers (going out of my way to waste their time) so I have a great deal of experience perusing ads, fake and real. Until you build up your own experience base, it's likely that you'll think some fake ads are real. Or perhaps you're on an escort ad site that gives you very little information. Some sites are pictures and phone numbers only. Some sites are just a line or two of text and a phone number. What do you do then?

I recommend you download and install an anonymous texting app and text them. Remember, the scammers are trying to monetise these fake ads, so at some point you'll be asked for a deposit or an up-front payment. That's your cue to eject (or keep them texting to waste their time), because in our tiny mongering bubbleverse, a deposit means you are being ripped off.

In closing, treat provider ads with skepticism. Until you get a practiced eye for scam-spotting, it doesn't hurt to assume all ads are fake until the preponderance of evidence convinces you otherwise. Look at the totality of red flags in their ads, read the forum/s, and text them anonymously if you still aren't sure. Note that scammers are growing ever more sophisticated in their tactics, and this guide is based on Volusia County mongering in late 2019. It will probably need to be updated for other locales or as time passes. Also note that this little tutorial was written to help you avoid falling prey to scammers who post fake ads. Additional actions should be taken to mitigate other hobby hazards, but these lay outside the scope of this missive and are generally covered throughout the length and breadth of this forum. So RTFF!

Since I certainly haven't provided every possible tip for spotting fake ads, by all means suggest modifications to what I've written, or offer some scam-spotting tips of your own.

Cheers!

[Member #6026]

http://archive.ph/FBBCu

The "I see" field looks fine in our example ad, as not much could be gleaned from any selection. I suppose it would be weird if the ad only selected "couples," but I could see a real provider selecting the wrong button too.

The "Race / Regionality" and "Hair Color" fields also look fine, since they obviously match the pics. Scammers will often get ethnicity wrong, but real providers seldom do. Hair color isn't a good metric since real providers change their hair color all the time.

And now the "Accepted Payment Methods" field. Very few real Volusia providers accept all of these payment forms. Just 18 months ago, all real providers were cash-only. Now it's common for real providers to accept CashApp, Vemno, and maybe one or two others. But remember, a scammer is trying to monetise their fake ad, so they will almost always list some form of web-based payment. Currently, if the only method listed is cash, the add is usually real. This is slowly changing, however, as the scammers get more sophisticated. A few fakes only list "Cash" but will ask for a CashApp deposit when you contact them (more on that later).

The "Available For" and "Hours" fields look fine, and not much can usually be gleaned from these anyway, plus legitimate providers mess these up too.

Now for the "Location" field. First off, if the stated location is something generic like "in your area" or "Downtown," the ad is most likely a scam. However, scammers are getting more sophisticated, like in our example of "Daytona," and are sending ads targeting specific communities. So something specific like "ISB" or "Beachside Daytona" can no longer be a reliable indication of a real ad. But again, a generic location is almost always a fake.

The "Weight" field in our example looks okay. If the weight is listed in kilograms, the ad is fake. If the weight is way off, it could be fake, but real providers sometimes typo this field too.

The "Bust / Waist / Hips" in our example is a red flag. Clearly the dimensions listed, which are nearly cylindrical, do not match the lass in the pictures. This field is also susceptible to provider typos as well.

The "Breasts," "Grooming down under," "Piercing," and "Tattoos" fields all look fine, as they generally match the pictures. Here you're looking for obvious errors, like an ad of a lassy all tatted up stating "Tattoos: none".

Ah, the narrative. The one in our example is particularly bad: "I'm 27 yrs old single mom looking for a sexy guy who can suck my thick pussy fuck me hard satisfy me. I love to suck only real guy. All guys is welcome. I can host but must be discreet. Age no matter. I can host anytim Text me 862***2074". Again, compare this drivel to ads you know are real. Clearly the author is not a native English speaker. The lack of articles (like the word "the") smacks of a Russian, Ukrainian, or similar scammer troll. The over-the-top crass and tasteless prose is also a major red flag. Be especially wary when the ad states something like "need a real man with huge dick to satisfy me". No real provider (unless she's an idiot) would purposefully scare off 90% of her potential customers this way.

The "Activities this service provider may enjoy" section appears to have every option selected. This is common for fakes but less common for real providers with real limitations and personal preferences.

Now the "Call Me" button. Again, the majority of real ads will have local area codes (386, 321, 407, and 904). The majority of fake ads will not.

[Member #6026]

I'm posting this because there are an increasing number of posts asking "Has anybody seen this one?" when the ad in question is clearly a fake / scam. So we'll use the fake ad in the following link to discuss the red flags that accompany most fakes (I will use the words "fake" and "scam" synonymously from here on):

http://archive.ph/FBBCu

Let's start with the title:

Single mom Want li.cked pussy-- 862***2074

Scammers will often use overtly crass language that most providers would not. Most providers are subtle in their titles, often with clever innuendos suggesting what they want without being so explicit. Also, fakes seem to favor descriptors like "single mom," "unhappy wife," "recently divorced," that legitimate ads don't. Scammers will also throw in errors (like the capital W or the period in "li.cked") to try and make the ads appear legitimate and not too clean, but I wouldn't use this as a red flag unless you're very experienced at spotting how fake ad errors are often noticably different from real ones.

Now for that phone number with the unrecognizable area code. The vast majority of real ads will have local area codes (386, 321, 407, and 904). The vast majority of fake ads will not. There are notable exceptions like Kate and Christian, who kept their mobile numbers when they moved here, but most Volusia providers do have 386 area codes, with a smattering of the others thrown in.

Next, their advertised age. I don't recommend using an ad's listed age to discriminate fakes. So many legitimate ads have fake ages that it makes it hard to tell. However, I'd say about 98% of Volusia providers list their age as 24 or older. Offhand I can only recall one active advertiser who lists an age younger than 24 (Deland Barbie, 22). So the listed age of 27 in our example isn't a red flag to me, but you should be highly skeptical of any ad with a listed age of 18 or 19.

And now the improbably good pictures. I recommend taking a good look at the pictures of providers you know are legitimate* and comparing them to our example. Many fakes have high-quality images (good lighting, staging, etc. much like our example pictures) with high-quality content (like the improbably hot lass in our example). Most real ads will be low-quality images with realistic women as the subject.

* You know an ad is legitimate because reputable mongers have reviewed them. This means you have to RTFF (Read The Fucking Forum). I really can't stress this enough. You must read the forum (more on this later).

The next thing you should do is a TinEye (or similar) search on the images to see where else they appear on the web. Here are three ways to do this (and here I assume you are using a smartphone):

Method 1. Within the STG ad, tap on the picture in question. Then tap on the link at the bottom of the picture that says "Is this photo real?" This method used to work for me but now I get a security policy error, so on to method 2.

Method 2. Within the ad, tap on the picture in question. Next, tap-and-hold on the image. When the menu comes up, select "Copy Image Location" or similar option. Next, launch tineye.com. Tap-and-hold on the search field, select "Paste" from the pop-up menu, and tap the search button (the one with the magnifying glass icon). This method works with most browsers on most sites, but doesn't work for me on our archive.ph example, so on to method 3.

Method 3. If the previous 2 methods don't work, this one almost certainly will. In our fake ad example, tap on the picture. Next, tap-and-hold on the image until the pop-up menu comes up. Select "Save Image" or similar and save it to a folder you can easily find (like Downloads, Gallery, etc.). Then launch tineye.com. Press the upload button which is to the left of the search field and navigate to the folder you saved your picture in. Then select your picture and TinEye does the rest. In our example, three hits came back dating back to 2013. Also, the same pics are in use currently (as of this posting) on escortads.ch in Ames Iowa with a different phone number. Pretty questionable for a Daytona lass. If you are really computer savvy, it couldn't hurt to run other image processing and matching applications, but expounding on them all here is a bridge too far I'm afraid.

[BigBoy3470]

I sent her a text late last night and thankfully she never responded. It was after LuvEm69 had posted his report (which I did not see or I never would've tried). She was high on my to do list and I even sent some private messages to a fellow monger asking about her but now I will not be wasting my time or my marios that she so much is in need of!

She's back new pictures be careful she will do 60 or 80 be very very careful.