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  1. #2326
    Quote Originally Posted by OverShare  [View Original Post]
    I guess the final point is it was safe. Service was good enough, didn't love the location but also in a neighborhood like that you can be pretty confident you're not going to get into a situation you'll have to get physical and that's what I care most about. I've been in trouble with the law and I'm just not scared of them. I know my text message game is on point, even got in touch with LE in one of those Red Roof Inn stings in Newark and they cut contact with me b / c I refused to say anything incriminating. Showed up early and parked right next to their white surveillance van so I wouldn't have gone in anyway but like I said, they cut contact because I know what you can / can't say. I appreciate the post though, did give me something to think about with citizens posting pics online. I have a professional job in an office, don't need that.
    So you somehow knew you were talking with LE yet drove to the place and parked right nexted to them?? BS.

  2. #2325

    What is ANYONE's definition of SAFETY? Narrowly focused?

    Quote Originally Posted by OverShare  [View Original Post]
    I guess the final point is it was safe. Service was good enough, didn't love the location but also in a neighborhood like that you can be pretty confident you're not going to get into a situation you'll have to get physical and that's what I care most about. I've been in trouble with the law and I'm just not scared of them. I know my text message game is on point, even got in touch with LE in one of those Red Roof Inn stings in Newark and they cut contact with me b / c I refused to say anything incriminating. Showed up early and parked right next to their white surveillance van so I wouldn't have gone in anyway but like I said, they cut contact because I know what you can / can't say. I appreciate the post though, did give me something to think about with citizens posting pics online. I have a professional job in an office, don't need that.
    Hey, the only reason I post stuff like that is to try to help and educate others. Not being argumentative, just firm in my convictions. I am constantly reminded by teacher friends: you can lead a horse to water, you can't make him drink. I'm trying to lead youse, and others (lurkers) to water: providing a different perspective as to what is "safe!" Apparently others agree from JRichard's post below.

    But if your only criteria of safety is that you aren't going to get in a physical altercation between leaving your car and returning it, I think you are think too narrowly. I think about risk on a broader scale, ways to mitigate it and stay globally safe. You are doing things I just don't deem safe with my wider perspective.

    Yes, what you stated about the RRI is correct, doing recon and not saying certain things keeps you out of jail in a sting situation. But that's not the point.

    That photo monger dude is 70+ years old and him having 20-something girls coming and going at all times and then dudes visiting at all hours surely hasn't gone unnoticed. So the "risk" we are talking about is other than getting beat up after leaving your car or returning to it. The PhotoMonger girls are all drug users, so they are gunna flip in a heartbeat to avoid drug charges. Are you aware that one of that sable of gals is indeed already a CI?

    If one can't understand the examples given, then they run the risk of some "experiential learning" which in many cases can be detrimental to work and family life. I mean the guys going to that Elkton hotel thought everything was "safe" because there were no thugs around to beat them up. It was certainly a "safe" location from that perspective. Oh and there were copious reviews here about how good the girls were, so "safe" from that perspective. However, there were also warnings about cams in the room that were ignored. So in reality the place wasn't "safe!" You want the DE State Police to show up at your work to ask you about prostitution at the house? Oh sure, I have no doubt you know what to say to not incriminate yourself, but the perception at work could be interesting. Or the same thing, perception at home?

    I mean that is just one line of "bad things" that could happen with a place that is that widely publicized and active with the comings & goings. I'm suggesting youse and others reading here, open your mind to other possibilities and risks. For my money the risk of dating at that house is too high. Won't do it! Who knows what the exact risk is that is waiting to happen? Prolly something we haven't thought of yet.

    But hey, Elkton was "safe" until it wasn't. Very few "saw" the problems or risks at that time, but a large majority of regular posters here are on tape fucking prostitutes.

    So my point is, it is fine if you want to keep an narrow focus on a definition of safety. My experience suggests that one day that narrow focus and it's associated blind spot will bite one in the ass needlessly. Might not be at that house, but some where's else in another situation. There's the water.

    Why'all do as you wish.

    Stay "safe!

  3. #2324

    Final word on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Shampoo55  [View Original Post]
    Oh, your OpSec measure is "it seems safe?" LOL! No, the neighbors aren't going to mug you like might happen at the SuperLodge or other hooker-tels. But the fact that it is a nice upscale neighborhood means they aren't going to want prostitution going on next door.

    So, me thinks one isn't thinking the situation all of the way through, just taking a narrow focus and a focus that has potentially fatal flaws. Just saying.

    First, the attitude of 'the neighbors can have my plates' has me shaking my head! What if the neighborhood watch group decides to publish a list of plates that visit the house? What if they start taking pics and posting pics of you and you car / truck as you approach the house for dating? It has happened before. The watch group from the LA stroll started publishing pics online of dudes doing dates in their neighborhood, so don't think it can't happen.

    Second, remember what happened with that other famous incall spot in Elkton? LE put up surveillance cameras on a pole and watched and recorded dudes coming & going. So what's going to stop them from placing cams on concerned citizens houses? In the Elkton case, several dudes got visits from LE at their house. You want to explain why LE is visiting to your SO or is she gunna over hear the convo? Perhaps you aren't home and LE mentions you are a person of interest in a prostitution racket?

    So yeah, ignorance is bliss, but an arrogant attitude? Every time I thumb my nose at OpSec in the hobby is when it has bitten me. Ask the dudes here who ignored the comments about a webcam in the Elkton place and now have video, of their naked ass doing push ups on a hooker, in the hands of the FBI. Many a screen name got dropped here after that came to light. Not to mention how many got visited by LE. Those guys thought it "seemed safe!" Others just ignored the warnings as 'too extreme' and it'll never happen.

    I mean those girls are frequently in hotels that are a safer situation or are open to meeting up for outcall. All better ways to date them in a less risky situation. Why take the added risk just because of a narrow focus that makes it "seem safe?"

    It's a free country and you are welcome to monger how you wish. But, look dude, we are just trying to keep each other safe here. But hey if you want to spread your license plate all over the net or don't care who has it, keep going with that "style" of yours and that 'breadth' of OpSec. What you wrote scares me for you!

    Just saying.

    Happy hunting & be safe!
    I guess the final point is it was safe. Service was good enough, didn't love the location but also in a neighborhood like that you can be pretty confident you're not going to get into a situation you'll have to get physical and that's what I care most about. I've been in trouble with the law and I'm just not scared of them. I know my text message game is on point, even got in touch with LE in one of those Red Roof Inn stings in Newark and they cut contact with me b / c I refused to say anything incriminating. Showed up early and parked right next to their white surveillance van so I wouldn't have gone in anyway but like I said, they cut contact because I know what you can / can't say. I appreciate the post though, did give me something to think about with citizens posting pics online. I have a professional job in an office, don't need that.

  4. #2323

    . . And over the bridge

    Quote Originally Posted by Shampoo55  [View Original Post]
    Oh, your OpSec measure is "it seems safe?" LOL! No, the neighbors aren't going to mug you like might happen at the SuperLodge or other hooker-tels. But the fact that it is a nice upscale neighborhood means they aren't going to want prostitution going on next door.

    So, me thinks one isn't thinking the situation all of the way through, just taking a narrow focus and a focus that has potentially fatal flaws. Just saying.

    First, the attitude of 'the neighbors can have my plates' has me shaking my head! What if the neighborhood watch group decides to publish a list of plates that visit the house? What if they start taking pics and posting pics of you and you car / truck as you approach the house for dating? It has happened before. The watch group from the LA stroll started publishing pics online of dudes doing dates in their neighborhood, so don't think it can't happen.

    Second, remember what happened with that other famous incall spot in Elkton? LE put up surveillance cameras on a pole and watched and recorded dudes coming & going. So what's going to stop them from placing cams on concerned citizens houses? In the Elkton case, several dudes got visits from LE at their house. You want to explain why LE is visiting to your SO or is she gunna over hear the convo? Perhaps you aren't home and LE mentions you are a person of interest in a prostitution racket?

    So yeah, ignorance is bliss, but an arrogant attitude? Every time I thumb my nose at OpSec in the hobby is when it has bitten me. Ask the dudes here who ignored the comments about a webcam in the Elkton place and now have video, of their naked ass doing push ups on a hooker, in the hands of the FBI. Many a screen name got dropped here after that came to light. Not to mention how many got visited by LE. Those guys thought it "seemed safe!" Others just ignored the warnings as 'too extreme' and it'll never happen.

    I mean those girls are frequently in hotels that are a safer situation or are open to meeting up for outcall. All better ways to date them in a less risky situation. Why take the added risk just because of a narrow focus that makes it "seem safe?"

    It's a free country and you are welcome to monger how you wish. But, look dude, we are just trying to keep each other safe here. But hey if you want to spread your license plate all over the net or don't care who has it, keep going with that "style" of yours and that 'breadth' of OpSec. What you wrote scares me for you!

    Just saying.

    Happy hunting & be safe!
    A silmilar surveillance happened in NJ recently and the door knocks haven't occurred yet because a girl was flipped for fent info.

    But everyone wants something for nothing and it's the same five or six street girls talked about, throw in Elkton and maybe eight or nine total. Then the same four or five STG girls.

    They all are used, abused and can be problematic. Now factor service or the lack of it and risks. , I am more than ever an AMP person.

    Now some of my efforts have been placed back in and. E. Philly. Man, what a selection. If one or two of these girls came down here for two or three days a week, they would make a killing. Now the Border Crossers are in that area as well, but there are multiple layers of handlers. The drawback here is you don't know what you will get when they send the address. It can be anything from young to a granny. Just be prepared to leave money if you bail.

  5. #2322

    Ask the Dudes Who Frequented WHFT

    Quote Originally Posted by OverShare  [View Original Post]
    Seemed safe to me and I was pretty comfortable for a non hotel. Rarely go to residential houses but trusted them and it was fine. Neighbors can have my plates and then blow me, hahaha. And the slim chance that there's a raid at the exact time I'm there? I guess that would suck.
    Oh, your OpSec measure is "it seems safe?" LOL! No, the neighbors aren't going to mug you like might happen at the SuperLodge or other hooker-tels. But the fact that it is a nice upscale neighborhood means they aren't going to want prostitution going on next door.

    So, me thinks one isn't thinking the situation all of the way through, just taking a narrow focus and a focus that has potentially fatal flaws. Just saying.

    First, the attitude of 'the neighbors can have my plates' has me shaking my head! What if the neighborhood watch group decides to publish a list of plates that visit the house? What if they start taking pics and posting pics of you and you car / truck as you approach the house for dating? It has happened before. The watch group from the LA stroll started publishing pics online of dudes doing dates in their neighborhood, so don't think it can't happen.

    Second, remember what happened with that other famous incall spot in Elkton? LE put up surveillance cameras on a pole and watched and recorded dudes coming & going. So what's going to stop them from placing cams on concerned citizens houses? In the Elkton case, several dudes got visits from LE at their house. You want to explain why LE is visiting to your SO or is she gunna over hear the convo? Perhaps you aren't home and LE mentions you are a person of interest in a prostitution racket?

    So yeah, ignorance is bliss, but an arrogant attitude? Every time I thumb my nose at OpSec in the hobby is when it has bitten me. Ask the dudes here who ignored the comments about a webcam in the Elkton place and now have video, of their naked ass doing push ups on a hooker, in the hands of the FBI. Many a screen name got dropped here after that came to light. Not to mention how many got visited by LE. Those guys thought it "seemed safe!" Others just ignored the warnings as 'too extreme' and it'll never happen.

    I mean those girls are frequently in hotels that are a safer situation or are open to meeting up for outcall. All better ways to date them in a less risky situation. Why take the added risk just because of a narrow focus that makes it "seem safe?"

    It's a free country and you are welcome to monger how you wish. But, look dude, we are just trying to keep each other safe here. But hey if you want to spread your license plate all over the net or don't care who has it, keep going with that "style" of yours and that 'breadth' of OpSec. What you wrote scares me for you!

    Just saying.

    Happy hunting & be safe!

  6. #2321

    How VIP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Heywood2020  [View Original Post]
    Any recommendations for a VIP Outcall? I prefer a great massage then whatever that turns into Thanks!
    Yea, on SKTG right now there's Leah. She's pricey but I can definitely recommend and there's Stacey on Escort Monkey, another pricey girl but both are top notch and professional, if that's what you're looking for. Your time is your time. Not sure about massages, not really into them.

  7. #2320

    VIP Outcall?

    Any recommendations for a VIP Outcall? I prefer a great massage then whatever that turns into Thanks!

  8. #2319

    Seemed so

    Quote Originally Posted by Shampoo55  [View Original Post]
    Have been offered dates at that house in the past and always turned them down, preferring outcall. Always thought to myself, "self, why the heck would I want to date a girl at that house?" Got to thinking that IF the neighbors are paying attention, they know something is going on in there. Lots of comings & goings at all hours of the day / night.

    I mean if that was in my neighborhood I wouldn't be thrilled. I think with the comings & goings the first thought is drugs. And drugs get more LE attention than dating. It would not surprise me if the neighborhood watch is writing down license plate numbers and sharing that info with LE. Maybe there is a pole cam too? I mean in a strict sense the dude is running a house of prostitution and it's only a matter of time before LE shows up. I sure would not want to be around when that happens.

    I found out more about the house, by asking the girls who have lived there, when I am dating them elsewhere.

    Then again if I were the dude I would not want " the story behind that house" posted in an online forum. Dude is on a path to spend the remaining years of his life sharing a vacation with X. Fwiw.
    Seemed safe to me and I was pretty comfortable for a non hotel. Rarely go to residential houses but trusted them and it was fine. Neighbors can have my plates and then blow me, hahaha. And the slim chance that there's a raid at the exact time I'm there? I guess that would suck.

  9. #2318

    Is that really a safe move?

    Quote Originally Posted by OverShare  [View Original Post]
    Funny, I did do a double with Bree and Jenn, wasn't really that great. Bree did give a good bbj when Jenn wandered off somewhere (I assume to get high) in that weird house a lot of girls work at. I'm more interested to know the story behind that house than anything, the neighbors can't be thrilled.
    Have been offered dates at that house in the past and always turned them down, preferring outcall. Always thought to myself, "self, why the heck would I want to date a girl at that house?" Got to thinking that IF the neighbors are paying attention, they know something is going on in there. Lots of comings & goings at all hours of the day / night.

    I mean if that was in my neighborhood I wouldn't be thrilled. I think with the comings & goings the first thought is drugs. And drugs get more LE attention than dating. It would not surprise me if the neighborhood watch is writing down license plate numbers and sharing that info with LE. Maybe there is a pole cam too? I mean in a strict sense the dude is running a house of prostitution and it's only a matter of time before LE shows up. I sure would not want to be around when that happens.

    I found out more about the house, by asking the girls who have lived there, when I am dating them elsewhere.

    Then again if I were the dude I would not want " the story behind that house" posted in an online forum. Dude is on a path to spend the remaining years of his life sharing a vacation with X. Fwiw.

  10. #2317

    Sabrina

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayke00  [View Original Post]
    I've been following her ads for years and now I'm glad I avoided ever pulling the trigger.

    She used to be a lot slimmer back in the day but there was always something a little off about her ads and there were some things I saw in her pictures on her body that caused me to always pass.

    Shame to see how she's ended up.
    I took the plunge a few years back and was disappointed. In the old backpage days her ad made it assume that everything was available. But all that was available was a HJ and massage. Sketchy area too off of 4th street. I thought way too much with the little head back then. Older and wiser now. Definitely a shame to see how she ended up, and also a reminder to not always believe the pics that are posted on the ads.

  11. #2316
    Quote Originally Posted by Shampoo55  [View Original Post]
    So a source shared this with me!

    Oh look! Looks like there is a problem with one of the frequent posters on STG! Her stage name is Sabrina, but real name is Irene.

    The former Philly stripper and now "massage" girl got busted for dealing drugs!

    https://www.mychesco.com/a/news/regi...roin-and-more/

    Her STG posts says she's 38, but I guess counting isn't her forte? Reality is 46! And looks like a HARD 46?

    https://delaware.skipthegames.com/fe...e/634082203372

    But hey, if she lost her drug stash, she lost a lot of money, so she's prolly hurting for funds, so might make some deals?

    Then again, the is a push-pull between fantasy & Reality! Sometime reality smacks you right in the face! For me, if I encountered that, it would be time to execute Plan B, turn on the heels and walk away. Live to fish another day.

    Anyway, IMHO, Ten-foot-pole!
    I've been following her ads for years and now I'm glad I avoided ever pulling the trigger.

    She used to be a lot slimmer back in the day but there was always something a little off about her ads and there were some things I saw in her pictures on her body that caused me to always pass.

    Shame to see how she's ended up.

  12. #2315
    Quote Originally Posted by OverShare  [View Original Post]
    Funny, I did do a double with Bree and Jenn, wasn't really that great. Bree did give a good bbj when Jenn wandered off somewhere (I assume to get high) in that weird house a lot of girls work at. I'm more interested to know the story behind that house than anything, the neighbors can't be thrilled.
    Which house? And. Washington St?

  13. #2314

    Did that

    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBadass12  [View Original Post]
    She does not have face tattoos that is a snapchat filter. Also paying those ridiculous rates only makes her keep thinking she can get that or start charging more. If you want a good date you could go get a double with Jenn and bre for half the cost, get two girls that still look decent and have a great time.
    Funny, I did do a double with Bree and Jenn, wasn't really that great. Bree did give a good bbj when Jenn wandered off somewhere (I assume to get high) in that weird house a lot of girls work at. I'm more interested to know the story behind that house than anything, the neighbors can't be thrilled.

  14. #2313

    Found it

    Quote Originally Posted by JRichard  [View Original Post]
    OMG I saw her pic somewhere else not that long ago and moved on never reading it, I would have never thought it was her.

    Shit, let me go back and look.
    https://local.nixle.com/alert/952114...SdngKy_o4oSvr8

    But I still believe there was another, and about a month ago and this was not the one.

    This came from the Wilmington Nixle email July 8.

    I see why I didn't pay much attention, 7/8 I was at the shore for the weekend. Slip'en up.

  15. #2312

    Omg

    Quote Originally Posted by Shampoo55  [View Original Post]
    So a source shared this with me!

    Oh look! Looks like there is a problem with one of the frequent posters on STG! Her stage name is Sabrina, but real name is Irene.

    The former Philly stripper and now "massage" girl got busted for dealing drugs!

    https://www.mychesco.com/a/news/regi...roin-and-more/

    Her STG posts says she's 38, but I guess counting isn't her forte? Reality is 46! And looks like a HARD 46?

    https://delaware.skipthegames.com/fe...e/634082203372

    But hey, if she lost her drug stash, she lost a lot of money, so she's prolly hurting for funds, so might make some deals?

    Then again, the is a push-pull between fantasy & Reality! Sometime reality smacks you right in the face! For me, if I encountered that, it would be time to execute Plan B, turn on the heels and walk away. Live to fish another day.

    Anyway, IMHO, Ten-foot-pole!
    OMG I saw her pic somewhere else not that long ago and moved on never reading it, I would have never thought it was her.

    Shit, let me go back and look.

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