Rants and Stupid shit in Hartford

[AssMan4412]

But this is inaccurate, in pretty much every way. The various mitigation steps have been extraordinarily effective. The data is clear. Even a cursory view of the rate of infection compared to what it was in March shows the necessity of protective equipment and physical distancing.

CDC and New England Journal Of Medicine are excellent sources and they have stated that outside of working at a hospital, masks provide little effect on preventing catching the virus. If someone sneezes or coughs they should probably stay home or at least cover their face with hand or elbow. For someone to get the virus from a sneeze / cough, you would have to be face to face less than six feet with the coughing person for more than 10 minutes to possibly get the virus according to experts.

Another Cuomo / Deblasio brilliant move was to cut back on number of subway daly routes so everyone was packed in like sardines on the limited routes and accelerating the spread of virus!

[MeliKey123]

Also, according to New England Journal of Medicine article May 21, masks have little effect on preventing catching virus unless your a health care worker at a hospital. Also, CDC has reported that the lockdown has had little effect on preventing the spread of Chinese / Wuhan Virus!

Except the reason the general public is told to wear face masks isn't to help prevent them from catching it but to help prevent spreading it when people cough or sneeze or whatever. Which it will help in regards to spreading it.

[JonMels]

I am going to keep this real simple based on the facts-99% of people who get Chinese / Wuhan Virus do not die and 50% have no symptoms and 30% have mild symptoms like a cold. Current Chinese Virus is mutating and much weaker.

Also, according to New England Journal of Medicine article May 21, masks have little effect on preventing catching virus unless your a health care worker at a hospital. Also, CDC has reported that the lockdown has had little effect on preventing the spread of Chinese / Wuhan Virus!

Most important thing is to wash hands and don't touch your face.

Also, please don't be an idiot and wear a mask while your driving or outside. Again, masks have little to no effect on preventing the spread of virus especially outdoors if your keeping distance!

But this is inaccurate, in pretty much every way. The various mitigation steps have been extraordinarily effective. The data is clear. Even a cursory view of the rate of infection compared to what it was in March shows the necessity of protective equipment and physical distancing.

[AssMan4412]

Ok Doctor. Oh. Wait.

Current data on Wuhan Virus by experts is easily read in journals.

Other interesting facts:

-nursing home population accounts for approx 1. 7% of US population.

-deaths in nursing homes accounted for approx 40% of deaths from Chinese / Wuhan Virus.

- 40% of nursing home deaths do not count other older people 70 -95 yrs who died outside of nursing homes.

- moisture in the air from humidity dilutes the virus and makes it nearly impossible to catch.

- masks and lockdown have now been proven to be ineffective in preventing catching the Wuhan Virus. We have all been duped!

- deaths from Chinese Virus have been overstated by as much as 25% due to financial incentives and political agendas.

-Gov Cuomo was directly responsible for over 5,000 deaths in nursing homes for his insane command that nursing home facilities had to take back residents released from hospital with Chinese Virus infection.

- sending elderly residents back to nursing homes with Chinese Virus is like lighting a match in a fireworks warehouse!

- Medicare is Federal and Medicaid is State paid. Mediaid pays for nursing home care Approx 70 % of nursing home residents are paid by Medicaid. Average cost per month to Ny state for each nursing home residents is $11,300/ month.

- NY state is under water by over 6 billion before pandemic and now 12 billion in red.

- With over 5,000 nursing home deaths largely contributed by asinine and reckless decision of Gov Cuomo, NY state saved billions of $$$ for eliminating Medicaid nursing home payments.

- draw your own conclusions, but always, always, follow the $$.

Pretty much everything you said is true but by insisting on calling it the "Chinese/Wuhan Virus" you reveal your bias and you'll never convince anybody who doesn't already agree with you.

It's too bad because there is real work to be done cleaning up after this lunacy.

A2

[TechSticles]

I am going to keep this real simple based on the facts-99% of people who get Chinese / Wuhan Virus do not die and 50% have no symptoms and 30% have mild symptoms like a cold. Current Chinese Virus is mutating and much weaker.

Also, according to New England Journal of Medicine article May 21, masks have little effect on preventing catching virus unless your a health care worker at a hospital. Also, CDC has reported that the lockdown has had little effect on preventing the spread of Chinese / Wuhan Virus!

Most important thing is to wash hands and don't touch your face.

Also, please don't be an idiot and wear a mask while your driving or outside. Again, masks have little to no effect on preventing the spread of virus especially outdoors if your keeping distance!

Ok Doctor. Oh. Wait.

[HolaDoug]

Where did the 6 feet rule come from? There is NO science in it. It's speculation. And, if you have been to Shop Rite or Stop & Shop lately, watch what the families in there are doing. Watch what they are touching, especially in the produce section (and, frankly, everywhere).

I'm not an "it's just a flu" person. But this is not ebola either. If you are old and sick, this can mess you up. If you're younger or pretty healthy; not likely. But you may share it with someone who is sick.

Most of the precautions we are taking are sensible, but they are not scientific nor are they based in any solid evidence. Overall, the time and exposure we have in stores and in supermarkets make these places high risk. At least an AMP you can get a shower and they likely wash the surfaces. BUT, honestly, we are not at the point where this is going to go away. We don't have a vaccine. Exposure and, in time, human immunity (partial or complete) is going to have to happen.

The 6 feet rule comes from the fact that this is spread through respiratory droplets that are being broadcast from your mouth / nose any time air is leaving your lungs. Breathing, talking, coughing, sneezing. It's meant to provide a buffer so that people passing by are not inhaling virus that you are shedding. WHO recommends 3 feet based on a study from the 1930's that measured how far large exhaled droplets traveled, but there is evidence that they can travel much further and 6 ft isn't enough. If you're in an enclosed area, such as in an AMP or an escorts hotel room, you are in close enough proximity to be constantly inhaling their respiratory droplets and vice-versa.

As for watching how people behave in public, that is precisely why it is recommended to wash your hands frequently, keep them away from your face, and wipe down your groceries / anything you bring home before you bring it into your house.

As far as being an AMP where you can shower. For the majority of the session you have the lady standing over you, breathing, as humans tend to do. Where do things tend to settle? Towards the ground. You are probably inhaling a good amount of their air which makes a shower afterwards completely useless if she's a carrier.

[AssMan4412]

As a doctor, I am going to keep this as simple as I can for you, since you seem to be prone to making decisions based on desire rather than fact. Covid-19 is most easily passed through moisture. What is most prevalent at a massage parlor? Moisture. It also doesn't matter what age you are, you can catch it and die, or you can bring it to someone and they can die.

I am going to keep this real simple based on the facts-99% of people who get Chinese / Wuhan Virus do not die and 50% have no symptoms and 30% have mild symptoms like a cold. Current Chinese Virus is mutating and much weaker.

Also, according to New England Journal of Medicine article May 21, masks have little effect on preventing catching virus unless your a health care worker at a hospital. Also, CDC has reported that the lockdown has had little effect on preventing the spread of Chinese / Wuhan Virus!

Most important thing is to wash hands and don't touch your face.

Also, please don't be an idiot and wear a mask while your driving or outside. Again, masks have little to no effect on preventing the spread of virus especially outdoors if your keeping distance!

[Troutman]

Where did the 6 feet rule come from? There is NO science in it. It's speculation. And, if you have been to Shop Rite or Stop & Shop lately, watch what the families in there are doing. Watch what they are touching, especially in the produce section (and, frankly, everywhere).

I'm not an "it's just a flu" person. But this is not ebola either. If you are old and sick, this can mess you up. If you're younger or pretty healthy; not likely. But you may share it with someone who is sick.

Most of the precautions we are taking are sensible, but they are not scientific nor are they based in any solid evidence. Overall, the time and exposure we have in stores and in supermarkets make these places high risk. At least an AMP you can get a shower and they likely wash the surfaces. BUT, honestly, we are not at the point where this is going to go away. We don't have a vaccine. Exposure and, in time, human immunity (partial or complete) is going to have to happen.

As a doctor, I am going to keep this as simple as I can for you, since you seem to be prone to making decisions based on desire rather than fact. Covid-19 is most easily passed through moisture. What is most prevalent at a massage parlor? Moisture. It also doesn't matter what age you are, you can catch it and die, or you can bring it to someone and they can die.

[BWtor]

I have to agree here. I get nervous especially trying out a new place, but with Covid scare it will get the pigs to go into an establishment for "health and safety" compliance and look for a license while they are in there, I for one will go on a limb on my usual place. But it might be a while before I go exploring.

Does anyone else think this may be the final nail in the coffin, as least for the near future, in regards to AMPs? How long is it going to be before the State Thugs go into every known AMP looking for a certificate on the wall saying they comply with the mask, glove, sanitizer mandates? I for one will be very nervous once everything goes back to normal being in one and possibly being a part of their "inspections / intrusions" to see if they paid the state. I'm sure they'll also use that as an excuse to look for the massage licenses.

I don't go often, but a lot of you do, thoughts?

[Garthy]

Garthy,

I've always found you to be a thoughtful and informative contributor. But to say the risk is the same as a supermarket is not reasonable. Yes, it is not always possible to maintain 6 feet of separation in the supermarket, and six feet is no guarantee. But the exposure is brief and therefore much lower risk. Any massage parlor visit involves prolonged close contact with someone who is also in prolonged close contact with numerous other people. The odds of transmission are much higher, even if she takes sanitary precautions. Whether she does or not is obviously up for debate.

Yes, we have always run the risks of STDs, but we knew what protections to take. There is a lot of question about how to protect yourself from this.

And the big difference is who you put at risk. With STDs, its just your sexual partners. Now, the biggest risk is to your older relatives: your parents, whatever older people there are in your life you care about.

Where did the 6 feet rule come from? There is NO science in it. It's speculation. And, if you have been to Shop Rite or Stop & Shop lately, watch what the families in there are doing. Watch what they are touching, especially in the produce section (and, frankly, everywhere).

I'm not an "it's just a flu" person. But this is not ebola either. If you are old and sick, this can mess you up. If you're younger or pretty healthy; not likely. But you may share it with someone who is sick.

Most of the precautions we are taking are sensible, but they are not scientific nor are they based in any solid evidence. Overall, the time and exposure we have in stores and in supermarkets make these places high risk. At least an AMP you can get a shower and they likely wash the surfaces. BUT, honestly, we are not at the point where this is going to go away. We don't have a vaccine. Exposure and, in time, human immunity (partial or complete) is going to have to happen.

[Mr Mike1952]

OMG. What the heck is going with this line of reasoning? The hobby has never been risk-free with regard to public or personal health. That being said, there is a difference between nasty and not sterile.

But if COVID's going to get you, it will get you in the supermarket as easily as the AMP. But if you've been sticking you cock or your tongue or your fingers or your toes in working women for years and years, I think you can still rest easily at night after you get your rocks off at the AMP in the days of SARS-COV-2.

Whether they ever open again or not, I dunno. I am hopeful that they will as salons are on the front end of the phased openings. But then again, I have always had to travel for a good AMP.

Garthy,

I've always found you to be a thoughtful and informative contributor. But to say the risk is the same as a supermarket is not reasonable. Yes, it is not always possible to maintain 6 feet of separation in the supermarket, and six feet is no guarantee. But the exposure is brief and therefore much lower risk. Any massage parlor visit involves prolonged close contact with someone who is also in prolonged close contact with numerous other people. The odds of transmission are much higher, even if she takes sanitary precautions. Whether she does or not is obviously up for debate.

Yes, we have always run the risks of STDs, but we knew what protections to take. There is a lot of question about how to protect yourself from this.

And the big difference is who you put at risk. With STDs, its just your sexual partners. Now, the biggest risk is to your older relatives: your parents, whatever older people there are in your life you care about.

[Garthy]

We're asking how clean the AMPs will be when they reopen? The answer is simple. These are the same places that would turn the towel on the table over for the next customer, rather than be bothered to replace it with a fresh one. How clean do you think they'll be?

OMG. What the heck is going with this line of reasoning? The hobby has never been risk-free with regard to public or personal health. That being said, there is a difference between nasty and not sterile.

But if COVID's going to get you, it will get you in the supermarket as easily as the AMP. But if you've been sticking you cock or your tongue or your fingers or your toes in working women for years and years, I think you can still rest easily at night after you get your rocks off at the AMP in the days of SARS-COV-2.

Whether they ever open again or not, I dunno. I am hopeful that they will as salons are on the front end of the phased openings. But then again, I have always had to travel for a good AMP.

[AssMan4412]

I'd worry as much about the dude before you than surfaces.

Said dude is one of the "nobody can tell me what to do" a-holes who has been everywhere without a mask or distance. He's carrying COVID but not symptomatic. He just spent an hour in a closed room with your provider, who is now also an asymptomatic carrier.

You are now exposed. Will you be the same and only infect others? Will you get hit but recover? Will you get intubated and either die or never fully recover? Or some combo of the three?

Good luck!

LOL nothing like a little over the top drama don't you think. Obviously your not current on recent data and statistics nor aware on the fanatical cleanliness of the Asians. Keep believing the MSM hype and lies and live in your fears.

[Woody50]

We're asking how clean the AMPs will be when they reopen? The answer is simple. These are the same places that would turn the towel on the table over for the next customer, rather than be bothered to replace it with a fresh one. How clean do you think they'll be?

I'd worry as much about the dude before you than surfaces.

Said dude is one of the "nobody can tell me what to do" a-holes who has been everywhere without a mask or distance. He's carrying COVID but not symptomatic. He just spent an hour in a closed room with your provider, who is now also an asymptomatic carrier.

You are now exposed. Will you be the same and only infect others? Will you get hit but recover? Will you get intubated and either die or never fully recover? Or some combo of the three?

Good luck!

[Troutman]

We're asking how clean the AMPs will be when they reopen? The answer is simple. These are the same places that would turn the towel on the table over for the next customer, rather than be bothered to replace it with a fresh one. How clean do you think they'll be?