New California Law (AB 14)

[JonathonJammer]

[QUOTE=Bus Nut]In view of the new law, and even before when cities were "appropriating" Monger Mobiles for their own nefarious needs, I came up with a solution to the potential seizure issue.

Obviously much depends on your situation. If you live alone, are independently wealthy, or whatever, or you don't care, then drive whatever you want.

Most of us have a significant other, or an insignificant one, or live with family, have roommates, and so forth. Losing a NICE vehicle isn't something ost of us want to consider, even if only for a short time. A friend got a DUI (dumbass) and to get his car out the next day, it cost his girlfriend over $400.00. And your friends can't get your car out if their name isn't on the registration, anyway.

BTW, NEVER CARRY YOUR ACTUAL REGISTRATION CARD IN THE VEHICLE! Make a copy to carry with you. The registration (at least here in CA) says you must carry it or a facsimile copy of it when using your vehicle. A cop can try to pitch a ***** if it's a copy, let them rant, they can even give you a ticket if they want, but when you take the ticket to court (along with the REAL registration) the judge will be dismissing the ticket if you got one for having a copy of the registration instead of the original. Been there, done that.

Anyway, to procure a cheap MongerMobile, keep your eyes open for impound lot sales and wrecking yard sales. Most are auctions. I keep a MongerMobile a year and then dump it. My most recent buy was a 1997 Escort Wagon for $500.00. Previous to that was a 1998 Escort 4 door.

You get lein sale paperwork, you will need to get the vehicle smogged (CA specific) and you may need to clean it up a bit. Remember that you don't want to stand out like a sore thumb. And don't choose something that looks like a cop car! Providers don't like them very much! ALthough I know a monger who has one and he says he doesn't have any more trouble than he did with any other car. The only requirement for me that is a must have item is a good radio (gotta have tunes) and all the lights must work properly.

Do it right, don't get crazy and overbid (you can get caught up in the moment) and it's possible to acquire a MongerMobile for maybe $700.00 total.

Spend the $35 to get a UPS store mailbox (it's a LEGAL address for DMV) get some cheap liability insurance and you are good to go. This was you are not losing your good ride (I have a 2010 Mustang) and I park the MongerMobile on the next street near an apartment compplex.

If your city has street sweeping (with attendant no-parking rules on a certain day) make sure to move your MongerMobile accordingly.

DISPOSING OF A MONGERMOBILE: There are a couple of ways to do it. In Southern CA we have Ecology Auto and Pick Your Part, both will give you upwards of $100.00 for a running vehicel, amd even a few bucks if it's dead. Or sell it on Craigs List for cheap.

What I don't recommend is selling or giving it to a provider. I've been tempted in the past, but I did not. Certain providers may not do the transfer paperwork and then you are left hanging out to dry! So if you do sell (or give) the car to a provider when you are finished with it, make a copy of her driver's license and do the transfer at DMV yourself. Or at least mail it in. Actually goes for selling any car - neverr depend on the buyer to handle the paperwork!

Now is sucks even to lose a CHEAP car, but your primary ride stays around, if your MongerMobile is impounded or seized, you can then chooses to bother retrieving it or not.

Happy and Safe Mongering!

Bus Nut[/QUOT. Great advice brother! My parents bought themselves a new car "from a 1997 Toyota Corrola" to a new Honda. When I asked what they were gonna do with the old one they almost begged me to get rid of it, so took it, great condition by the way, surprised them with first payment on there new car and told them I would use there old car for work to keep miles off my Truck everyone happy! Peace out and be safe!

[Courtrat]

I wonder how broadly the term "vehicle is used in the commission of specified crimes related to" prostitution." will be interpreted..? So does this law require a actual conviction...? Sounds as though this law will be primarily for sting operations. The other question is if this is a civil or criminal law. If so then this is a reinstatement of the civil intent to solicit law.

There is also another provision in the analysts digest (http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bil...sen_floor.html) "validly arrested in the current matter."

What if you drove to an AMP and the AMP got busted while you are there or it was a sting operation from a motel room? Can they confiscate your vehicle for a period of time because you used the vehicle to drive to engage in prostitution? How broad can the gov't get?

[Hargow20]

I wonder how broadly the term "vehicle is used in the commission of specified crimes related to" prostitution." will be interpreted..? So does this law require a actual conviction...? Sounds as though this law will be primarily for sting operations. The other question is if this is a civil or criminal law. If so then this is a reinstatement of the civil intent to solicit law.

There is also another provision in the analysts digest (http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bil...sen_floor.html) "validly arrested in the current matter."

[Bus Nut]

In view of the new law, and even before when cities were "appropriating" Monger Mobiles for their own nefarious needs, I came up with a solution to the potential seizure issue.

Obviously much depends on your situation. If you live alone, are independently wealthy, or whatever, or you don't care, then drive whatever you want.

Most of us have a significant other, or an insignificant one, or live with family, have roommates, and so forth. Losing a NICE vehicle isn't something ost of us want to consider, even if only for a short time. A friend got a DUI (dumbass) and to get his car out the next day, it cost his girlfriend over $400.00. And your friends can't get your car out if their name isn't on the registration, anyway.

BTW, NEVER CARRY YOUR ACTUAL REGISTRATION CARD IN THE VEHICLE! Make a copy to carry with you. The registration (at least here in CA) says you must carry it or a facsimile copy of it when using your vehicle. A cop can try to pitch a ***** if it's a copy, let them rant, they can even give you a ticket if they want, but when you take the ticket to court (along with the REAL registration) the judge will be dismissing the ticket if you got one for having a copy of the registration instead of the original. Been there, done that.

Anyway, to procure a cheap MongerMobile, keep your eyes open for impound lot sales and wrecking yard sales. Most are auctions. I keep a MongerMobile a year and then dump it. My most recent buy was a 1997 Escort Wagon for $500.00. Previous to that was a 1998 Escort 4 door.

You get lein sale paperwork, you will need to get the vehicle smogged (CA specific) and you may need to clean it up a bit. Remember that you don't want to stand out like a sore thumb. And don't choose something that looks like a cop car! Providers don't like them very much! ALthough I know a monger who has one and he says he doesn't have any more trouble than he did with any other car. The only requirement for me that is a must have item is a good radio (gotta have tunes) and all the lights must work properly.

Do it right, don't get crazy and overbid (you can get caught up in the moment) and it's possible to acquire a MongerMobile for maybe $700.00 total.

Spend the $35 to get a UPS store mailbox (it's a LEGAL address for DMV) get some cheap liability insurance and you are good to go. This was you are not losing your good ride (I have a 2010 Mustang) and I park the MongerMobile on the next street near an apartment compplex.

If your city has street sweeping (with attendant no-parking rules on a certain day) make sure to move your MongerMobile accordingly.

DISPOSING OF A MONGERMOBILE: There are a couple of ways to do it. In Southern CA we have Ecology Auto and Pick Your Part, both will give you upwards of $100.00 for a running vehicel, amd even a few bucks if it's dead. Or sell it on Craigs List for cheap.

What I don't recommend is selling or giving it to a provider. I've been tempted in the past, but I did not. Certain providers may not do the transfer paperwork and then you are left hanging out to dry! So if you do sell (or give) the car to a provider when you are finished with it, make a copy of her driver's license and do the transfer at DMV yourself. Or at least mail it in. Actually goes for selling any car - neverr depend on the buyer to handle the paperwork!

Now is sucks even to lose a CHEAP car, but your primary ride stays around, if your MongerMobile is impounded or seized, you can then chooses to bother retrieving it or not.

Happy and Safe Mongering!

Bus Nut

[Bus Nut]

This became effective January 1, 2010. Note that to impound a vehicle it states "prior CONVICTION" meaning that a person was arrewsted, tried and found guilty.

Stay on top of your avorite mongering locations and the ordinances/laws that they pass. Text of law below.

Bus Nut

BILL NUMBER: AB 14 CHAPTERED
BILL TEXT

CHAPTER 210
FILED WITH SECRETARY OF STATE OCTOBER 11, 2009
APPROVED BY GOVERNOR OCTOBER 11, 2009
PASSED THE SENATE SEPTEMBER 2, 2009
PASSED THE ASSEMBLY SEPTEMBER 9, 2009
AMENDED IN SENATE AUGUST 24, 2009
AMENDED IN SENATE JUNE 29, 2009
AMENDED IN SENATE JUNE 3, 2009
AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY APRIL 13, 2009
AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY MARCH 12, 2009
AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY MARCH 9, 2009

INTRODUCED BY Assembly Member Fuentes

DECEMBER 1, 2008

An act to repeal and add Section 22659.5 of the Vehicle Code,
relating to vehicles.


LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST


AB 14, Fuentes. Vehicles: nuisance abatement: impoundment.
Existing law authorizes a city, county, or city and county to
establish a 5-year pilot program that implements a procedure to
declare a motor vehicle to be a public nuisance when the motor
vehicle is used in the commission of specified crimes related to
prostitution.
This bill would repeal the provisions authorizing the pilot
program and would instead authorize a city, county, or city and
county to adopt an ordinance declaring a motor vehicle to be a
nuisance subject to an impoundment period of up to 30 days when the
motor vehicle is involved in the commission of any one or more of
specified crimes related to prostitution or illegal dumping of
commercial quantities of waste matter upon a public or private
highway or road, if the owner or operator of the vehicle has had a
prior conviction for the same offense within the past 3 years. The
bill would require the ordinance to include specified provisions
related to notice, the payment of towing, storage, and administrative
fees, the provision of a poststorage hearing, and the release of the
impounded vehicle.
This bill would also require the ordinance to provide that a
person operating or in charge of a storage facility is civilly liable
to the owner of the vehicle or the person who tendered the towing,
storage, and related fees for 4 times the amount, not to exceed $500,
if the person operating or in charge of the storage facility fails
to comply with specified requirements to accept a valid bank credit
card or cash for the payment of those fees.


THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1. Section 22659.5 of the Vehicle Code is repealed.
SEC. 2. Section 22659.5 is added to the Vehicle Code, to read:
22659.5. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a city or a
county may adopt an ordinance declaring a motor vehicle to be a
public nuisance subject to seizure and an impoundment period of up to
30 days when the motor vehicle is used in the commission or
attempted commission of an act that violates Section 266h or 266i of,
subdivision (h) of Section 374.3 of, or subdivision (b) of Section
647 of, the Penal Code, if the owner or operator of the vehicle has
had a prior conviction for the same offense within the past three
years. An ordinance adopted pursuant to this section may incorporate
any combination or all of these offenses. The vehicle may only be
impounded pursuant to a valid arrest of the driver for a violation of
one of these provisions. An ordinance adopted pursuant to this
section shall, at a minimum, contain all of the following provisions:

(a) Within two working days after impoundment, the impounding
agency shall send a notice by certified mail, return receipt
requested, to the legal owner of the vehicle, at the address obtained
from the department, informing the owner that the vehicle has been
impounded. The notice shall also include notice of the opportunity
for a poststorage hearing to determine the validity of the storage or
to determine mitigating circumstances establishing that the vehicle
should be released. The impounding agency shall be prohibited from
charging for more than five days' storage if it fails to notify the
legal owner within two working days after the impoundment when the
legal owner redeems the impounded vehicle. The impounding agency
shall maintain a published telephone number that provides information
24 hours a day regarding the impoundment of vehicles and the rights
of a legal owner and a registered owner to request a hearing. The
notice shall include all of the following information:
(1) The name, address, and telephone number of the agency
providing the notice.
(2) The location of the place of storage and description of the
vehicle, that shall include, if available, the model or make, the
manufacturer, the license plate number, and the mileage.
(3) The authority and purpose for the removal of the vehicle.
(4) A statement that, in order to receive a poststorage hearing,
the owners, or their agents, shall request the hearing in person,
writing, or by telephone within 10 days of the date appearing on the
notice.
(b) The poststorage hearing shall be conducted within 48 hours of
the request, excluding weekends and holidays. The public agency may
authorize one of its own officers or employees to conduct the hearing
if that hearing officer is not the same person who directed the
seizure of the vehicle.
(c) Failure of the legal and the registered owners, or their
agents, to request or to attend a scheduled hearing shall satisfy the
poststorage hearing requirement.
(d) The agency employing the person who directed the storage shall
be responsible for the costs incurred for towing and storage if it
is determined in the poststorage hearing that reasonable grounds for
the storage are not established.
(e) Any period during which a vehicle is subjected to storage
under an ordinance adopted pursuant to this section shall be included
as part of the period of impoundment.
(f) The impounding agency shall release the vehicle to the
registered owner or his or her agent prior to the end of the
impoundment period under any of the following circumstances:
(1) The driver of the impounded vehicle was arrested without
probable cause.
(2) The vehicle is a stolen vehicle.
(3) The vehicle is subject to bailment and was driven by an
unlicensed employee of a business establishment, including a parking
service or repair garage.
(4) The driver of the vehicle is not the sole registered owner of
the vehicle and the vehicle is being released to another registered
owner of the vehicle who agrees not to allow the driver to use the
vehicle until after the end of the impoundment period.
(5) The registered owner of the vehicle was neither the driver nor
a passenger of the vehicle at the time of the alleged violation, or
was unaware that the driver was using the vehicle to engage in
activities subject to Section 266h or 266i of, or subdivision (b) of
Section 647 of, the Penal Code.
(6) A spouse, registered domestic partner, or other affected third
party objects to the impoundment of the vehicle on the grounds that
it would create a hardship if the subject vehicle is the sole vehicle
in a household. The hearing officer shall release the vehicle where
the hardship to a spouse, registered domestic partner, or other
affected third party created by the impoundment of the subject
vehicle, or the length of the impoundment, outweigh the seriousness
and the severity of the act in which the vehicle was used.
(g) Notwithstanding any provision of law, if a motor vehicle is
released prior to the conclusion of the impoundment period because
the driver was arrested without probable cause, neither the arrested
person nor the registered owner of the motor vehicle shall be
responsible for the towing and storage charges.
(h) Except as provided in subdivision (g), the registered owner or
his or her agent shall be responsible for all towing and storage
charges related to the impoundment.
(i) A vehicle removed and seized under an ordinance adopted
pursuant to this section shall be released to the legal owner of the
vehicle or the legal owner's agent prior to the end of the
impoundment period if both of the following conditions are met:
(1) The legal owner is a motor vehicle dealer, bank, credit union,
acceptance corporation, or other licensed financial institution
legally operating in this state, or is another person who is not the
registered owner and holds a security interest in the vehicle.
(2) The legal owner or the legal owner's agent pays all towing and
storage fees related to the seizure and impoundment of the vehicle.
(j) (1) No lien sale processing fees shall be charged to the legal
owner who redeems the vehicle prior to the 15th day of the
impoundment period. Neither the impounding authority nor any person
having possession of the vehicle shall collect from the legal owner
as described in paragraph (1) of subdivision (i), or the legal owner'
s agent, any administrative charges imposed pursuant to Section
22850.5, unless the legal owner voluntarily requested a poststorage
hearing.
(2) A person operating or in charge of a storage facility where
vehicles are stored pursuant to this section shall accept a valid
bank credit card or cash for payment of towing, storage, and related
fees by a legal or registered owner or the owner's agent claiming the
vehicle. A credit card or debit card shall be in the name of the
person presenting the card. For purposes of this section, "credit
card" is as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 1747.02 of the
Civil Code. Credit card does not include a credit card issued by a
retail seller.
(3) A person operating or in charge of a storage facility
described in paragraph (2) who violates paragraph (2) shall be
civilly liable to the owner of the vehicle or the person who tendered
the fees for four times the amount of the towing, storage, and
related fees not to exceed five hundred dollars ($500).
(4) A person operating or in charge of the storage facility
described in paragraph (2) shall have sufficient funds on the
premises of the primary storage facility during normal business hours
to accommodate, and make change for, a reasonable monetary
transaction.
(5) Credit charges for towing and storage services shall comply
with Section 1748.1 of the Civil Code. Law enforcement agencies may
include the costs of providing for payment by credit when making
agreements with towing companies on rates.
(6) A failure by a storage facility to comply with any applicable
conditions set forth in this subdivision shall not affect the right
of the legal owner or the legal owner's agent to retrieve the vehicle
if all conditions required of the legal owner or legal owner's agent
under this subdivision are satisfied.
(k) (1) The legal owner or the legal owner's agent shall present
to the law enforcement agency, impounding agency, person in
possession of the vehicle, or any person acting on behalf of those
agencies, a copy of the assignment, as defined in subdivision (b) of
Section 7500.1 of the Business and Professions Code, a release from
the one responsible governmental agency, only if required by the
agency, a government-issued photographic identification card, and any
one of the following as determined by the legal owner or the legal
owner's agent: a certificate of repossession for the vehicle, a
security agreement for the vehicle, or title, whether or not
paperless or electronic, showing proof of legal ownership for the
vehicle. Any documents presented may be originals, photocopies, or
facsimile copies, or may be transmitted electronically. The law
enforcement agency, impounding agency, or other governmental agency,
or any person acting on behalf of those agencies, shall not require
any documents to be notarized. The law enforcement agency, impounding
agency, or any person acting on behalf of those agencies may require
the agent of the legal owner to produce a photocopy or facsimile
copy of its repossession agency license or registration issued
pursuant to Chapter 11 (commencing with Section 7500) of Division 3
of the Business and Professions Code, or to demonstrate, to the
satisfaction of the law enforcement agency, impounding agency, or any
person acting on behalf of those agencies that the agent is exempt
from licensure pursuant to Section 7500.2 or 7500.3 of the Business
and Professions Code.
(2) Administrative costs authorized under subdivision (a) of
Section 22850.5 shall not be charged to the legal owner of the type
specified in paragraph (1) of subdivision (i) who redeems the vehicle
unless the legal owner voluntarily requests a poststorage hearing. A
city, county, city and county, or state agency shall not require a
legal owner or a legal owner's agent to request a poststorage hearing
as a requirement for release of the vehicle to the legal owner or
the legal owner's agent. The law enforcement agency, impounding
agency, or other governmental agency, or any person acting on behalf
of those agencies, shall not require any documents other than those
specified in this paragraph. The legal owner or the legal owner's
agent shall be given a copy of any documents he or she is required to
sign, except for a vehicle evidentiary hold log book. The law
enforcement agency, impounding agency, or any person acting on behalf
of those agencies, or any person in possession of the vehicle, may
photocopy and retain the copies of any documents presented by the
legal owner or legal owner's agent. The legal owner shall indemnify
and hold harmless a storage facility from any claims arising out of
the release of the vehicle to the legal owner or the legal owner's
agent and from any damage to the vehicle after its release, including
the reasonable costs associated with defending any such claims.
(l) A legal owner, who meets the requirements for release of a
vehicle pursuant to subdivision (i), or the legal owner's agent,
shall not be required to request a poststorage hearing as a
requirement for release of the vehicle to the legal owner or the
legal owner's agent.
(m) (1) A legal owner, who meets the requirements for release of a
vehicle pursuant to subdivision (i), or the legal owner's agent,
shall not release the vehicle to the registered owner of the vehicle
or an agent of the registered owner, unless the registered owner is a
rental car agency, until after the termination of the impoundment
period.
(2) Prior to relinquishing the vehicle, the legal owner may
require the registered owner to pay all towing and storage charges
related to the seizure and impoundment.
(n) (1) A vehicle removed and seized pursuant to an ordinance
adopted pursuant to this section shall be released to a rental car
agency prior to the end of the impoundment period if the agency is
either the legal owner or registered owner of the vehicle and the
agency pays all towing and storage fees related to the seizure and
impoundment of the vehicle.
(2) The owner of a rental vehicle that was seized under an
ordinance adopted pursuant to this section may continue to rent the
vehicle upon recovery of the vehicle. However, the rental car agency
shall not rent another vehicle to the driver of the vehicle that was
seized until the impoundment period has expired.
(3) The rental car agency may require the person to whom the
vehicle was rented to pay all towing and storage charges related to
the seizure and impoundment.