Bird Dropping's reports

[Admin]

Greetings Everyone,

I have deleted all of Bird Dropping's reports and placed him on Permanent Moderated status.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Sleazebum]

Now what??

JJ

[Sleazebum]

There are some people in here that would argue with a post and get all shook up because it didn't answer.

They would just find something else to fuss about.

JJ

Hence the reason Apartment AMP and (traditional storefront) AMP are distinctly different. Apartment AMPs do not allow walk-ins, frequently don't put much focus n the 'M' part of it, and often offer outcall.

The Apartment AMP concept is nationwide, so, I don't get the confusion. A third category (or a dedicated Chinese Condos thread) would be great...and maybe it would stop the bickering.

[Jake Jj 1492]

It's probably best to categorize them as a third alternative, neither AMP nor Escort.

R::R

Hence the reason Apartment AMP and (traditional storefront) AMP are distinctly different. Apartment AMPs do not allow walk-ins, frequently don't put much focus n the 'M' part of it, and often offer outcall.

The Apartment AMP concept is nationwide, so, I don't get the confusion. A third category (or a dedicated Chinese Condos thread) would be great...and maybe it would stop the bickering.

[Guitarman1]

Good points, all, and while both views are technically correct, the best description might be to say that the CCs are really neither purely AMPs nor purely escort services.

One could say that, because "Escort" services provide outcall (as well as incall), the CCs do not qualify as escort services. (However, I do remember about ten years ago that there was one Thai service, located in an apartment over near Gaithersburg, that did provide outcall. Nevertheless, it was mainly an incall operation.)

Yet, one could say that, because the CCs don't provide massage (or, at best, make only a pretense of providing massage), the CCs are not AMPs in the traditional sense, either.

It's probably best to categorize them as a third alternative, neither AMP nor Escort. So, what do we do? Ask Jackson to create another heading on the boards, just for the CCs and similar operations? I doubt that's necessary. We've been treating them, for reporting sake, as AMPs for the most part. If someone wants to post a report in the Escort section, so be it. It shouldn't make much difference, since we all tend to keep up with all the boards in the region. I say, post wherever it seems most natural. We'll all likely still read the report, whichever heading its under.

R::R

Many CL girls only do incalls and we do not post them as massage parlor reports. They are still posted under escort reports. I've also gotten better massages from some CL girls than from some CC girls.

I know some people come to this forum looking for AMP locations. Then when they see the CC's they ask about those instead. If we kept CC's under escorts, it may lessen the amount of people who ask about it. That could actually make CC info and the AMP thread easier to follow.

[LexLuther]

It's probably best to categorize them as a third alternative, neither AMP nor Escort. So, what do we do? Ask Jackson to create another heading on the boards, just for the CCs and similar operations?
R::R

Any senior member can start/add a new thread. Just go to the over-arching category (e.g. Northern Virginia) and you will see a button called "new thread".

LexLuther

[Xsham]

What is really sad is that all I want is a Massage Parlor that provides extras instead of an Extras Parlor that provides massage. The closest there seems to be to that is Kim's :/. Am I alone? ugh

[Roamin Roman]

CC's absolutely should be classified as escorts because that's what they are. The women rotate in from escort services in other states and stay only temporarily.

It makes no difference to me, but, the CCs are by common definition, Apartment AMPs.

Yea but let's be honest, you don't call them massage parlors if the women are races other than Asian. The CCs would unequivocally be escort services (which is why so many posts on the CCs already appear in the escort forums).

Good points, all, and while both views are technically correct, the best description might be to say that the CCs are really neither purely AMPs nor purely escort services.

One could say that, because "Escort" services provide outcall (as well as incall), the CCs do not qualify as escort services. (However, I do remember about ten years ago that there was one Thai service, located in an apartment over near Gaithersburg, that did provide outcall. Nevertheless, it was mainly an incall operation.)

Yet, one could say that, because the CCs don't provide massage (or, at best, make only a pretense of providing massage), the CCs are not AMPs in the traditional sense, either.

It's probably best to categorize them as a third alternative, neither AMP nor Escort. So, what do we do? Ask Jackson to create another heading on the boards, just for the CCs and similar operations? I doubt that's necessary. We've been treating them, for reporting sake, as AMPs for the most part. If someone wants to post a report in the Escort section, so be it. It shouldn't make much difference, since we all tend to keep up with all the boards in the region. I say, post wherever it seems most natural. We'll all likely still read the report, whichever heading its under.

R::R

[Xsham]

Yea but let's be honest, you don't call them massage parlors if the women are races other than Asian. If you take the FCCC and exchange the Asian women with Latinas then you would just call it an escort service because by all accounts that is what it is. At some point the definition becomes too muddied to be usable. For instance, "Magic" in Virginia (Thai woman advertising on BP and TER) advertises for "massage" and does not require a multiple call system. When you arrive at her place she has a table and the entire setup (traditional AMP or TAMP) and standard NoVas are not unwelcome. Conversely, the CCs advertise as escort services, require multiple call systems, typically do not have massage setups (table, table shower etc.) and provide at best a perfunctory massage- likely a part of the act they were taught. I don't see how that is anything but an escort service. Now, the argument may be "well, I get a good massage from LuLu or Yaya at these places and therefore they are AMPs." Well, you can also say you've gotten terrible/no massage at AMPs. Massage is not really the defining characteristic as you mentioned. It's really the location, level of secrecy, internal setup and how they self-identify. I know many new hobbyists would be disappointed in an "AAMP" experience that ends up being purely an escort (and it likely will).

In short, Magic would be considered an AAMP or just AMP for short and the CCs would unequivocally be escort services (which is why so many posts on the CCs already appear in the escort forums).

[Jake Jj 1492]

CC's absolutely should be classified as escorts because that's what they are. The women rotate in from escort services in other states and stay only temporarily. 'Massage' is not even close to the centerpiece of an experience at a CC.

Here is my definition of AMPs (whether TAMPs or otherwise):

1) Do not require multiple call systems
2) Do not advertise as escort services on the big websites (TER, here etc.)
3) Have a public face or storefront
4) Standard NoVas are welcome or conducted at least a third of the time

None of those apply to the NoVa CCs.

It makes no difference to me, but, the CCs are by common definition, Apartment AMPs.

Whether massage is a primary focus (or included at all) doesn't effect the definition. Apartment AMPs never allow walk-ins...and they are nationwide...not some local phenomena...

From the internet...

* AMP (Asian Massage Parlor) : An erotic massage establishment that primarily employs Asian providers.

* AAMP (Apartment Asian Massage Parlor): Based in a residential apartment instead of a commercial storefront.

[Xsham]

CC's absolutely should be classified as escorts because that's what they are. The women rotate in from escort services in other states and stay only temporarily. 'Massage' is not even close to the centerpiece of an experience at a CC.

Here is my definition of AMPs (whether TAMPs or otherwise):

1) Do not require multiple call systems
2) Do not advertise as escort services on the big websites (TER, here etc.)
3) Have a public face or storefront
4) Standard NoVas are welcome or conducted at least a third of the time

None of those apply to the NoVa CCs.

[Sponge Worthy]

It's Jackson's board, and he makes the rules. The right of free speech isn't an all-encompassing thing...so private industry has the right to limit those rights. The same applies here. If you missed the point (or the posts), BD was harming others and trying to encourage others to do the same. The majority of members in Northern Virginia tend to frown upon that kind of activity.

All true, but somewhat contradictory. As you say, it's Jackson's board. So with that in mind, what difference does it matter if the majority of the members in Northern Virginia frown upon his posts? It's not their board.

[Jake Jj 1492]

There are different points of view and they may each be legitimate. If you can't stand what someone has to say, do you honestly think that gives you the right to silence their speech?

It's Jackson's board, and he makes the rules. The right of free speech isn't an all-encompassing thing...so private industry has the right to limit those rights. The same applies here.

If you missed the point (or the posts), BD was harming others and trying to encourage others to do the same. The majority of members in Northern Virginia tend to frown upon that kind of activity.

[Sponge Worthy]

There's too much bullying and group think on this board. If you don't fit within the confines of how the vocal majority thinks, they just gang up, insult you, and then whine to Jackson. I know, it certainly happened to me. I didn't even get the courtesy of a discussion with Jackson. He just deleted my posts and restricted my access without ever bothering to even comment to me. It seemed pretty Draconian to me.

Something to keep in mind is that it's the members here who provide the content. We don't keep coming back to view the ads. We come here to se what our peers have to say. Let's not beat the hell out of them and force them away. Maybe you don't like what they're adding, but someone else may find it useful or interesting.

There are different points of view and they may each be legitimate. If you can't stand what someone has to say, do you honestly think that gives you the right to silence their speech? Just ignore them. Seriously, it's not that hard to do.

[Hillofbeans]

Let him keep posting.

It will make it easier for me to find him.