Law Enforcement in California (Providers Read)

**MongerSeeker** · 07-17-22 11:22

Now that the loitering law is gone hopefully we will see more good SW's working streets. Will be interesting to see what happens

Originally Posted by MongerSeeker [View Original Post]

This some of the best news I have heard all year. California's loiter law is one of the most obnoxious laws I have ever seen. The law allowed LE to essentially define loitering however they wished. Even some the's have questioned the law. I would be interested to see what LE is doing now.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ebate-sex-work

**MongerSeeker** · 07-14-22 13:52

This some of the best news I have heard all year. California's loiter law is one of the most obnoxious laws I have ever seen. The law allowed LE to essentially define loitering however they wished. Even some the's have questioned the law. I would be interested to see what LE is doing now.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ebate-sex-work

**Cephlapod Love** · 04-11-18 15:28

Originally Posted by Mongerseeker [View Original Post]

San Diego had another human trafficking March in Balboa park yesterday. The authorities say that there is 8,00 to 11,000 girls trafficked each year. To me this seems like a crazy number so read the study (https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/249857.pdf). They got this number from asking the pimp how many girls they had and multiplying that number. Now I do not advocate human trafficking. But this does make much sense given how many girls are on BP and on the streets. Personally I think this law enforcement's way of inflating thing so they can get more grant money. This crackdown is being funded by Dept of Homeland security grants.

Until earlier this year, I would have agreed with you. Look, I found a girl through another girl. This girl was independent, doing her own thing- mostly referrals and a bit of the streets. But 100% certain she was on her own.

Then as she reports to me, one day a girl friend takes her to visit a guy who could "help her out. " He takes some pics of her and posts her up on BP! Problem is that that he holds her hostage in his place and drives her to a motel to do the dates, He takes ALL of the money from her after each date. When she wants to leave as she isn't getting any money, he beats her and strips her. When he falls asleep she was able to get away, but had no clothes.

How do I know this? I heard the whole story as it was reported.

Now, if one reads the stuff in the backpage indictment, one will see that when there was text in adverts, that BP edited ads and stripped out any "offending text", text that could indicate a girl was being trafficked or pimped. I mean email names for a poster like "pimpdaddy" or "youngpimp" offering up girls isn't suspicious? The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children identified BP as a key culprit as early as 2010 and tried numerous times to get BP to add practices that would stop, prevent or eliminate trafficking on their website, but it appears as though BP put profits ahead of "doing the right thing. ".

I'd be interested in any REAL statistics from NCMEC on the number of cases it sees each year. Look on the NCMEC website and it shows they has 10,093 reports in 2017! THAT is just the under aged part of trafficking!

https://www.missingkids.com

Yeah, I was one who thought trafficking was limited to Asian or just wasn't all that prevalent, but despite what I wanted to believe it is a bigger problem than one thinks!

**MeyghaMann** · 04-08-18 22:59

Originally Posted by Mongerseeker [View Original Post]

San Diego had another human trafficking March in Balboa park yesterday. The authorities say that there is 8,00 to 11,000 girls trafficked each year. To me this seems like a crazy number so read the study (https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/249857.pdf). They got this number from asking the pimp how many girls they had and multiplying that number. Now I do not advocate human trafficking. But this does make much sense given how many girls are on BP and on the streets. Personally I think this law enforcement's way of inflating thing so they can get more grant money. This crackdown is being funded by Dept of Homeland security grants.

They always do this. Reminds me of how they weigh dirt roots and all and say that they busted a grower with TONS of weed.

**MongerSeeker** · 01-14-18 19:33

San Diego had another human trafficking March in Balboa park yesterday. The authorities say that there is 8,00 to 11,000 girls trafficked each year. To me this seems like a crazy number so read the study (https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/249857.pdf). They got this number from asking the pimp how many girls they had and multiplying that number. Now I do not advocate human trafficking. But this does make much sense given how many girls are on BP and on the streets. Personally I think this law enforcement's way of inflating thing so they can get more grant money. This crackdown is being funded by Dept of Homeland security grants.

**Hargow20** · 06-26-14 23:26

Here is the federal indictment against Eric Omur and his wife.

(http://www.scribd.com/doc/231346859/...ook-Indictment).

The feds claim that Omur and his wife operated the site to "facilitate and promote prostitution" in violation of CA 647 b. PC. In my mind the fed went really overboard. I do not see what they were doing is any different than what Craigslist or BP has been doing by allowing escorts to post ads. It's one thing to shut down or ask them to cease from posting escort ads. It's quite another thing to charge them with racketeering with money laundering. As for child prostitution it's not as though there was obvious minors at least from what I saw. Hopefully Omur and his wife have access to the money so they are able to put up a strong defense. My own belief that this is a relatively weak case.

**Hargow20** · 06-23-14 17:02

There has been a recent increase in enforcement in cities such as Oakland, Berkley and San Fernando Valley. So my guess is that there will probably more crackdowns for awhile. So just use due caution (http://www.fbi.gov/sandiego/press-re...ex-trafficking).

**Hargow20** · 10-19-10 03:44

I was wondering how successful people have been in fighting intent to solicit cases. Some lawyers have told me that the the will usually drop the case when they see that guys are willing to take the case to a jury trial.

**Hargow20** · 06-19-10 20:40

http://www.sfweekly.com/2010-06-16/news/stung/

Part-1
Men don’t have to agree to sex in order to get busted in a prostitution sting. They just have to seem interested.
By Lois Beckett
published: June 16, 2010

It was 6:30 on a May evening, and the friends were on their way to church. The two men, aged 19 and 20, had come from El Salvador six months before. They were taking English classes, but neither of them spoke much English yet. Before the evangelical service, they said, they were planning to stop at the younger man's house in a residential area not far from Mission and 21st streets.

But just half a block from their destination was a corner, and on that corner a woman was waiting. She was pretty, in an unflashy way, in a short skirt and puffy jacket, her eyes hidden behind sunglasses. She didn't look much like a prostitute. But there seemed to be no reason for her to be standing on that deserted street, her back against a building, smoking a cigarette. A man passed without giving her a glance. She blew out a long plume of smoke.

She had only been out on the corner for 15 minutes when the two friends walked toward her.

"She spoke to us. She said, 'Hi, how are you?' And then we said, 'Hi, fine, and you?' And she said, 'Good,'" the younger man recalled in an interview conducted in Spanish. "For the little we understood, we were speaking back in English."

They would later call what was happening an "ambush."

Across the street, police officers in an unmarked car watched the interaction. They couldn't hear the conversation, but they knew what was coming next. The woman was going to ask the men if they wanted sex. She spoke to them in English, but they got the gist of her message. Sex. $50.....

After a minute, the police officers saw the 19-year-old keep walking toward his house. The two men had been clear, the younger man said later: They weren't interested. But his friend lingered, talking with the woman who had offered sex. He claimed that he and his friend asked her only one direct question: how old she was. She said she was 21, but he didn't believe it. She looked at least 25.

The 19-year-old hung back, waiting for his friend. After a few minutes, the 20-year-old walked on.

But as the two men moved down the block, the woman gave the police officers the signal they had been waiting for. Their car zoomed in front of the men and pulled to a stop, blocking their way. Two police officers jumped out. Two more appeared from down the street. "Spread your legs!" one barked. They made the men stand, spread-eagled, while they patted them down and then snapped on handcuffs. The woman from the corner, Officer Jennifer Dickson, hopped into the front seat of the unmarked car to prepare a police report. She had captured the entire conversation on a hidden tape recorder.

**Nitescape** · 04-24-09 11:31

Originally Posted by PlaneGuy

Great post! However, the reason tha t prostitution cases were never heard in higher court is because everyone either pays the fine, plea bargains, or fight the charges on technicalities.

PEOPLE, (PROVIDERS and JOHNS) NEED TO FIGHT THE CHARGES BASED ON CONSTITUTIONAL GROUNDS. You have the right to privacy. You have the right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... as long as you are not violating the rights of another.

PROVIDERS:
You are being denied the right to earn a living by providing a service, for money, to a WILLING CUSTOMER. If this is how you wish to earn your living, and feed yourself (and/or your family) what business is it of the goverment to harrass you, and arrest you?

BOTH MONGERS AND PROVIDERS:
You are both being denied the right to privacy. You are being denied the right to perform a consentual act that is otherwise legal (if payment is not arranged).

TAXPAYERS:
You are paying a small fortune for police stings to bust prostitutes and Johns. Our LE, Justice and Correctional Systems are already overburdened. How much can we save if we stopped arresting prostitutes?

I've seen one lawyer write that the "right to privacy has never been applied to prostitution"... Well, I am not a lawyer, but I know that the "right to privacy" didn't apply to abortion until someone had the guts to take it to the Supreme Court!!!

Think about it... While not all mongers are in a position to be able to take the publicity from fighting charges, but those who can SHOULD. Also, EVERY PROVIDER should fight the charges based on privacy and the RIGHT TO SUPPORT HERSELF AND HER FAMILY!!

Nothing will change until WE change it.

Wow, great stuff guys (specially Triple X)!

I had no idea how much this stuff was draining our system.

I think more of us need to make it be known, just how much this ridiculous pursuit of prostitution, is draining our govt resources, and burdening our jails, legal system, and tax debt.

**Member #5605** · 08-30-08 22:00

There is a Penal Code citation that is utilized (pased 10 years ago!) called "Loitering with intent to commit prostitution/drug trafficking".
It is a MISDEMEANOR offense, and is used by LE to basically "scare an area". (since they can't have judges issue injunctions against individual people for being out on the street, THIS is the law that they utilize!).

Originally Posted by Hizark21

Criminal intent to solicit...?
A few weeks ago I was stopped by a cop after I pulled over for a SW. The cop threatened to arrest me. Generally this law is only applied to SW's. I am trying to find out if there is a confirmed case of this happening to a guy...?

**Big Brian** · 08-25-08 00:28

Thanks for the post, I'll let her know.

**Defense Lawyer** · 08-17-08 06:19

Originally Posted by Big Brian

A friend of mine recently got nabbed in a police raid in Orange County for massage without a license. She was cited for violation of the local ordinance and released on bail. There were no other charges for her. Should she get a lawyer or just appear before the judge and pay the fine? The hearing is in one month.

If she has the money. If not, demand a Public Defender, and see how she can go about fighting the charges. Don't fall for their bullshit. People without lawyers tend to get pushed around, don't take it sitting down.

**Big Brian** · 08-16-08 11:25

A friend of mine recently got nabbed in a police raid in Orange County for massage without a license. She was cited for violation of the local ordinance and released on bail. There were no other charges for her. Should she get a lawyer or just appear before the judge and pay the fine? The hearing is in one month.

**Oc Amper** · 06-02-08 22:59

Originally Posted by Marlowe

Don't be stupid! They are cops, if that statute doesn't apply, they will just lie and say she was in your car and they saw you give her money, etc. The truth, to the cops, is whatever they say it is, and many jurors will, unfortunately, agree.

Keep in mind, if they arrest you and don't lie, you still need to deal with the office of the district attorney. That in itself could cause enough trouble for many of us.

I would suspect proving intent in a case like this would be difficult at best, unless you have a prior conviction or previous contact with that officer. Now that you've spoken with the officer and I'm assuming warned, that might make any jury lean towards the prosecution should you meet with him again.