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11-04-08 16:01 #413
Posts: 58Originally Posted by Credit Card
No paranoia in anything I say. All experience. It is good for people to fully understand the risks before getting involved in something. For the most part I imagine, most guys on this forum have little knowledge of the legal system, little experience with the police beyond traffic laws, and little knowledge of how simple, innocent-seeming acts can get them in big trouble. LE likes this fact because they like arrests and convictions, the easier the better, the more the better. Who gets busted doesn't matter, particularly if it is nobodies who have no power or influence.
I have no fight with Terra. All I am doing is making sure I adequately warn people of what is a terrible idea. His non-monger network posts don't bother me.
Setting a sting for a network of individuals who primarily reside in MD, don't know each other personally, and don't know the women personally is a much easier and cheaper task than going after the owners of a website.
It would not be very difficult for any Maryland police agency to infiltrate the network either on the men's side or the female's side. In fact, setting this all up through the internet makes it easy since they don't have to go through the much more difficult process of dealing with people who have personally and intimately known each other for years (i.e. street gangs, organized crime, guys from the same neighborhood, etc.) nor do they have to deal with the difficult and sometimes impossible task of "going undercover". Trusting someone named JoeBob from the forums or SuzyHeroinAddict to not mess up and compromise the group has to be the dumbest idea in the world.
Even assuming that 100% of the male members of this network are not LE, all it takes is one woman or man to mess up in the ring for it to come crumbling down bad. Setting up criminal networks (which is what this is since prostitution is illegal in MD) in the US through the internet has to be the dumbest thing someone could do. You can't control the women and if they get in trouble the network gives them a tool to use to get out of trouble (or maybe get a boyfriend out of trouble). You can't control the men, so the guys on the forum who like to print out posts for the women (the dumbasses) will also be a part of this network. When one of them gets mad because Baltimonger has sex with a woman he likes and thinks in his crazy head is his girlfriend, there is nothing stopping him from bringing the whole network down. If Baltimonger doesn't like what One Finger posted about him on the forum because he had a bad day, he could bring down the whole network.
This is why this whole idea is very suspect. An experienced monger like TS appears to be, who has never been arrested for prostitution and doesn't want to be, would never allow himself to be in a position that the monger network would put him in. A lot of things don't add up as I have mentioned in previous posts, including such dogged promotion of these ideas, which is characteristic of certain other persons and certain kinds of goals.
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11-04-08 16:00 #412
Posts: 58Originally Posted by Credit Card
You seem to be trying to confuse multiple issues so this post will deal solely with the website in this post.
As far as the sites go, there are different kinds, hosted in different countries, whose owners reside in various countries. The site owners getting busted means shit to mongers who do nothing but post about their exploits. At worst and highly highly highly unlikely is they could get subpoenaed for information (did I mention how unlikely that is?).
Also, USASG is a completely different site than TER in several critically important ways. I am a member here and post here whereas I would never do so on TER. Posting on TER is not dangerous, but there are certainly other potential issues on that site that do not exist on USASG.
Going after a website is much harder and can be really hard if the website is setup properly. Jackson has less to worry about for USASG and it appears unlike TER or TBD he knows a little bit about it keeping himself safe. A good example of my belief is the fact that he does not charge fees for being a member or posting on USASG, even and especially for the providers (unlike his international site which does have fees, which isn't a problem). A very smart move on his part as any legal danger he faces comes from the USA and not accepting money from providers or mongers for the USA-related site reduces his liabilities significantly.
As far as other sites go. The two owners of the*********.net narrowly escaped prison because Hillsborough County Sheriff's and prosecutors made procedural errors and violated TBD owners' rights to a speedy trial. They were not prepared for such a bust and in their eagerness to make a name for themselves in the LE world they failed to get assistance with the case (which prevented them from direct server record access for example). They have provided a pretty good template though for how to attack such sites and what not to do though.
The owner of TER was recently released from jail for parole violations. While in prison for his parole violation some close associates of his, who he has business and financial ties with when down in a massive arrest.
At last count 55 people have been arrested.
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/122543
http://www.koat.com/news/17544102/de...s=alb&psp=news
http://news.ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=965466
The owner of the TER was facing at least 4 years for his parole violations, but now he is out and there was a major sting while he was in jail. Did he give up information so he wouldn't go to prison? Is he cooperating with LE? Who knows, but this happens all the time in the world of criminal justice. Very few people are willing to do time for someone else, especially for people they don't actually love or care about. Putting any amount of trust in keeping yourself safe in the hands of other mongers or prostitutes is crazy and thus the monger network is crazy.
Whether a site's owner is in danger or not depends on several factors which are too boring and pointless to go over. Right now, it appears USASG has very little to worry about. Besides a few minor things, the site is run acceptably for the increasingly super-LE paradise that is the USA. Getting involved with TS's idea as the funds administrator would significantly increase his liability. Generally, when trying to get control or gain access to a board, LE likes to get the admins to do things which don't seem that big of a deal but actually get them tied up significantly. Being responsible for the collection and management of funds would be one of those things.
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11-04-08 00:38 #411
Posts: 420Originally Posted by Member # 2552
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11-03-08 07:45 #410
Posts: 420Naudia Passion
My friends informed me that there was good picking on WW and CB last night, but I was lazy but in a very good mood. I called Naudia (CL Baltimore) for a late night encounter.
She arrived in time and knocked on my neighbors door who were less than happy to direct her to my place. She was 100% dressed in prostitute outfit green, red (or orange) and black. But the assets were excellent, tall with long legs and good size suckable boobs.
I am a horny SOB, so I got her on all 4 and inspected her, fully. She has nothing but nice clean pussy, with luscious pussy lips and a a little, but nice clit. I told her I was going to write a positive review about her, she assumed TER, her only request was not to mention the fee, but I would add that I get a deep discount.
She maintained eye contact, occasionally smiled, good overall attitude. She checked for her purse about 200 times during the encounter. Good solid constant pounding for about 30 minutes until her big boobs started tasting salty.
She used my super lush expensive towels to clean me up, which I was not happy about -- I could have done that myself if I wanted to use those towels. I keep those towels for the Pope when he visits me
Anyway, I had a fuck frenzy last week, so I have taken Viagra recreationaly. It helps me maintain an erection even when I am fully drunk. So my dick was still up. This is when I gave her the extra credit, she sucks on it sloooooooly, just lip and tongue action on the knob. The entire song Hotel California played during that time. She looked much prettier than the pictures, very sexy, great lips action. I was blessed.
Having slept most of the day Sunday, I woke up early today with an SS350 erection; just feeling great.
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11-02-08 17:36 #409
Posts: 420Originally Posted by Member # 2552
As for the information about the Online Pharmacies, thank you for the wealth of information, but it is not relevant, because I used the wrong example.
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11-02-08 17:21 #408
Posts: 58Originally Posted by Terra Sancta
You are using words bigger than you: fraud, sexual slavery, trafficking, criminal enterprise, organized crime. Merry Christmas. You are nuts dude.
There is nothing illegal about exchanging or buying phone numbers. What you do with them is your business, and you have to be diligent.
Take for example all the online pharmacies.
18 charged in case over illegal online pharmacy
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-157946.html
Doctor gets jail for Web pill sale [30 years]
http://web.archive.org/web/200712220...pill_sale.html
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/pressrel/pr042005.html
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/special/pill/
Doctor Indicted On Charges He Ran $85 Million Illicit Drug Trade
http://www.wftv.com/news/14908943/detail.html
73-count federal indictment
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/commu...,6594069.story
OrlandoSentinel.com
CENTRAL FLORIDA The Area In Brief
Feds: Father, son ran illegal Web pharmacy
May 10, 2008
ORLANDO
A father and son have been charged with money laundering and drug trafficking in connection with an Internet pharmacy investigators say they ran.
A 73-count federal indictment unsealed Friday accuses Jude LaCour, 35, formerly of Daytona Beach, and his father, Jeffrey LaCour, 60, of South Daytona, of distributing prescription drugs to customers who didn't have valid prescriptions. Seven doctors from Puerto Rico to Utah, a Maryland pharmacist and Hudsen Smith of DeLand, who was director of pharmacy/physician operations, also were charged.
Federal prosecutors say the pharmacy, Jive Network, recruited pharmacists to dispense and ship drugs to more than a half-million customers nationwide. Doctors reviewed health questionnaires and approved orders without examining patients or reviewing medical records, prosecutors say. The company took in more than $77 million in three years, officials say.
Susan Jacobson, Kate Santich and Jay Hamburg of the Sentinel staff contributed to this report. Information from the South Florida Sun-Sentinel and The Associated Press also was used.
Five Defendants Indicted in Unlawful Prescription Drug Operation [102-count indictment]
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4629715&EDATE=
Fultondale Pharmacist Going to Prison for Selling Drugs on Internet
http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/...nternet/35938/
ILLEGAL INTERNET PHARMACY SHUT DOWN PARTICIPANTS CHARGED FEDERALLY
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/aln/Docs/N...0FEDERALLY.htm
WEB SITE OPERATORS INDICTED FOR CONSPIRACY TO DISTRIBUTE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS
SEVEN PULASKI COUNTY RESIDENTS EARNED $3.4 MILLION THROUGH INTERNET PHARMACIES
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/mow/news2008/holman.ind.htm
Then you talk Money Laundering! Did I suggest not paying taxes. Yo are in your own world dude. I do not know from under which rock you were hiding.
Better methods are desirable of paying since PayPal potentially can reveal identity info tot he seller. I would trust Jackson if he is the seller -- but more secure anonymous ways would be better.
Money laundering is a very broad crime and easy to charge and prove to a jury in court.
Since you have already stated the purpose is to conceal identities and to facilitate illegal activity anyone getting involved is committing conspiracy and will be committing money laundering.
I also don't know where sexual slavery and trafficking came into play. I do not know what you were smoking, but please do not smoke same stuff when you make senseless accusations.
When the bust for this operation happens, the DA is going to charge every defendant with various laws which fall under sexual slavery and sex trafficking. It will be very easy to prove to a jury that the women involved in this suggested ring were coerced to participate. The DA will use such things as the victims own drug addictions to prove this point, that they did not voluntarily with no coercion enter into this setup.
Not to mention at the time of the bust, a lot of different women's groups, international agencies, and health agencies are going to swoop in to help all the women on this phone list. These women will be given places to live, money, support, attention, and jobs as long as they keep playing the victim which everyone around them will give them plenty of encouragement to do. Most likely these women will even lie in order to keep up the attention and benefits of being victims so some of the guys that participate will get charged and convicted of other crimes like rape or assault no matter how false they may be. Once this is over, a lot of the women will go on to have decent careers as public speakers or workers at domestic violence shelters and sex abuse facilities. They will have every incentive to make the guys involved in this operation seem like monsters and no one will doubt them. The DA is going to stack the charges against anyone involved in this ring. The defendants will be buried under the jail from the weight of the charges before the trial even begins.
Seriously this argument is so ridiculous given how wrong you are, but I have seen this before and know that this will continue this way until the detractors give up and you can accomplish whatever it is you are trying to accomplish. The good thing about it being a full-time job is that you know eventually the detractors will go away, the newbies will get desperate, some of the experienced will get dumb, the forum admin will get stupid, and everything will fall into place.
But as I have stated before, I have no idea who you are or what you are trying to do, but I do know eveything you suggest is dangerous. Anybody considering this better start making a deposit on a retainer for a criminal defense attorney with experience with federal indictments, plea deal negotiations, and trial experience if you are crazy.
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11-02-08 15:27 #407
Posts: 420Headed to CB again today, checked out the action, not much, so I called Leah. We went for FS at a place of her choice. I am still concerned about her STD situation, so I used plenty of anti-microbial cream before and after.
Tits are great, legs are good, skills fine, but she is not spontaneous. She needs to work on that before she joins my club. Paid $50 for an hour with multiple shots -- was able to achieve two.
I truly think that she is clean and STD free, but have to be extra careful.
Lets us see who are Terra Sancta favorites in random order:
1. Ashley, nice figure, nice face, quiet, no digits
2. EZ, nice figure, best BJ, wild, no digits
3. Amber, nice tits, always asks for more, has digits
4. Leah, nice figure, good boobs, not spontaneous, has digits
5. Lori, nice attitude, petite, has own place, average service, digits don't always work
6. Emily, good service, good overall, has digits
I always write the digits on Dunken Donuts napkins, then use the napkins to cleanup after the next girl. I need to keep a black book or something. But coming to think of it, napkins are harder to come by than digits I also prefer the thrill of the hunt.
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11-02-08 09:39 #406
Posts: 420Originally Posted by Member # 2552Originally Posted by Member # 2552
You are buying a phone list, anything you discuss and agree about is your own choice, your own risk, your own everything, just like you make a choice and risk when you pick a girl off the street.
You are using words bigger than you: fraud, sexual slavery, trafficking, criminal enterprise, organized crime. Merry Christmas. You are nuts dude.
There is nothing illegal about exchanging or buying phone numbers. What you do with them is your business, and you have to be diligent.
Take for example all the online pharmacies. Then you talk Money Laundering! Did I suggest not paying taxes. Yo are in your own world dude. I do not know from under which rock you were hiding.
There is nothing illegal about compiling a phone list. There is nothing illegal about selling a phone list. There is no criminal activity involved or money laundering unless you make that your intent and hide income.
I also don't know where sexual slavery and trafficking came into play. I do not know what you were smoking, but please do not smoke same stuff when you make senseless accusations.
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11-02-08 09:24 #405
Posts: 420Originally Posted by Member # 2552
I know a couple of girls who smoke coke the minute they wake up, then get dressed to go buy their fix of heroin. I have never played cheap, but I bet that the girls would go for $10 quick BJ anytime.
From years and years from mongering, I have noticed that girls free of addiction work as escorts, own cards, bank accounts, etc. While addicted girls roam in cold weather.
Looking 360, sex for money is a beautiful thing, it is just drugs, disease and violence which give it its bad name.
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11-02-08 00:33 #404
Posts: 58Originally Posted by Terra Sancta
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11-02-08 00:21 #403
Posts: 58here kitty kitty...
Originally Posted by terra sancta
i already bet some geniuses are thinking "hey since terra suggested it, it would be entrapment, we're safe!". unfortunately that defense which is usually unsuccessful anyway will be 100% unsuccessful here, guaranteed, for several good reasons which i won't go into.
jackson should delete the message and ban terra for this as he will be on the hook as well for allowing such criminal conspiracy to occur on what is clearly a moderated forum (by actively and directly moderating the forum jackson's liability increases). i don't know where jackson lives, but it is doubtful that he lives in a nation which does not have an mlat with the united states. he would also have to make sure the nation is not under the wto, nafta, cafta, etc. as each of these agreements contains various parts about legal cooperation between members.
if anyone replies to terra's post on the board, via pm, email, etc. and agrees they are interested in setting this up they are now open to being charged with conspiracy (the easiest thing in the us to be charged with, just ask jamal lewis for you ravens fans). whether it happens or not depends on the agency doing the investigation and the investigations worth. 1 bust, low money = not worth it (federal level); 10 busts = worth it; more time to investigate = more busts; investigations can go years (the federal gov't has even run criminal message boards for several years to make busts) = very good chance that eventually you will be rounded up even if it was something you did 5 years ago.
speaking of jamal lewis i can't remember if i mentioned this in previous posts
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...postcount=1744
http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...postcount=1750
but one of the other possibilities is that ts is an informant working with an le handler. it is a cheaper way of building cases, especially in situations where the rewards may not be so big initially for the time spent (busting people on this forum will result in less lucrative civil forfeiture i imagine than drugs, embezzlement, tax fraud, escort agencies, etc).
i must say with all of the previous things discussed about ts, his latest post, and the fact that "one finger" (who appears to have been deleted) whose first message was that he knows for a fact that ts is a police officer but latest posts were defending and praising ts, there appears to be many items (story telling/repertoire building, persistence to stay in existence, distractions like one finger that turn out to be the same person, continually proposing concepts which are clearly terrible ideas, playing dumb when clearly he is not, trying to engage in private dialog with forum individuals, extreme willingness and availability to help forum members and the forum itself, etc) that are seen in a lot of investigations of online communities that authorities allege are committing criminal acts.
for the record, i am not suggesting that ts is involved with law enforcement in anyway, nor am i saying that an investigation is actually occurring as i have no knowledge or information whether one is or not. i do know that the federal gov't has been eager to make a large sex crime sting which does not involve high-level government officials, high priced sex agencies, children/**** persons, asian immigrants, hispanic immigrants from central/south america/mexico, homosexuals. given the many le enemies this message board and boards like it have, i imagine the fed gov't has been interested at attacking "this problem" for sometime. like most things, they just have to wait and keep-at-it (as terra seems to be good at) as eventually the "i told you so" people will stop "telling it so" and people will get comfortable and engage in criminal activity.
speech which is constitutionally protected is one thing, blatant or implied advocacy of criminal activity is another thing entirely and is not protected in anyway.
http://icanhascheezburger.files.word...its-a-trap.jpg
p.s. - last piece of non-advice (although i have a few more), stop letting people post pictures from hidden cameras/videos on the website. most of the states that i have seen such material posted violates that states laws on such things and opens up another big window of legal problems. given the us ties of this website, one must be very careful about what is allowed especially since it is a moderated forum. honey pot maybe...?
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11-01-08 21:58 #402
Posts: 420Originally Posted by FromUnder
Earlier this evening: called Amber to ask about her leg situation, then met her on Gilmore. Decided to go to to our $10 resort. Her knee looks bad. I could not get in to the position I like, so she gave me a titty fuck. Highly recommended, just being in a good lubricant. Only thing I hate about her is that she keeps nagging for more $, then she asks for rides.
I drove around Sebastians house -- he did not chase me out. Just in case you did not know, Sebastian has been taking photos of the girls long before the blog thing -- stated in my reports predating the blog.
Please read my earlier post about enhancing USASG, we also nee to be checking out the sponsored links.
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11-01-08 20:44 #401
Posts: 420Ashley does Cowgirl
It has been a while, but slender cute Ashley is as good as ever. After loosing her with an LE car behind me few days ago, then reading a report that it was actually her, I headed to the WW area, dove about 20 minutes and there she was on Ramsay near Gilmore.
In a secure spot we parked and I sucked on her little tits for about 10 minutes, then decided to do FS with me laying down in the passenger seat, and her on top cowboy style. I decided a while back to task the girls with looking out for cops, because I loose my erection whenever an LE car drives by. We go at it for 15 minutes and I exploded.
The next day I drove to CB and picked up Leah for first time. I read about her, and about the rumors that she got STD, so I did not want to go FS. Instead I asked for a BJ. I do my BJs covered, but uncover to release. I do not know what I ate, but I shot a big load, and it shot far. She did some licking and sucking until it went limb. I told her I never shot this far before, she said that it also tasted bitter. I did research on the internet and found out that broccoli and other foods affect the taste and volume, but not how far it shoots.
Anyone seen EZ lately? it does not appear that she is locked up, has NOLLE PROSEQUI on all charges from September. I also understand that our girl from the Sunshine State is starting rehab this week, any news?
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11-01-08 20:07 #400
Posts: 438Damn edited
Originally Posted by Baltimonger
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11-01-08 16:18 #399
Posts: 420The Money List
After giving it much thought, and since we are exchanging info about SWs for the most part, and since many new persons always seek the standard set of info, I have have 3 concepts for making this site more effective:
1. The Money List -- we all send SWs phone numbers to a central account, then the numbers are sold using PayPal. The list is constantly updated. Better methods are desirable of paying since PayPal potentially can reveal identity info tot he seller. I would trust Jackson if he is the seller -- but more secure anonymous ways would be better.
2. The SW Directory -- Pix, vital statistics and comments are categorized by SW name, searcheable by ZipCode proximity. The would work with point #1.
3. Standard Sections for Newbies -- when, where, how, why and Who Guide to finding women. Standard map, market prices, city specific info, etc.
Something like this can be based on vBulletin as the back engine, but to eliminate the extensive searches, a proximity search (by zipcode and distance) would eliminate the city-by-city listings.
Just few ideas -- we all need to make this place better.