Losers; Would Not Repeat!

**Talon X** · 06-13-09 14:43

Originally Posted by Tyrone Biggins

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Steve.

Ck813 -
My post was not meant to be derogatory in anyway. I did not hope that anyone perceived it in such a way. Hope this clears up any misconception regarding my post. I do NOT condone 'rape' in anyway, as you have interpreted from my post.
Peace.

Sorry I mis-interpreted your post. I know how gratifying it is to find a nympho who loves and enjoys sex. When she tells you "harder" and "don't stop", that can really wake up the "boto". I agree with you about the ROBs. I've been turned off so much by some providers that I walked out without conclusion. Went home, found a good movie, and did a "Hands Solo" (Princess Lie-Ya look out). Please remember that the girls are human and they can be having bad days or might have experienced something bad before your encounter. Some of the girls ask us to pay first, because they plan to give us bad service (ROBs). Others will plan how good they will provide, depending on the fees. Sometimes it's worthwhile to dangle a carrot and show them you have more money in your wallet for extra tipping. Lot of girls have been short changed (no standard fee 150) and some guys even think they can leave 50 for FS. Its good to set up the rules "before hand" (sorry for the pun). Tell'em what you want (DATY, FIV, DFK, Greek, etc) and negotiate the terms. Some girls will let you do more, just to get rid of Greek services or DFK. Just want to say, that I understand you now and apologize for the ripping. I've been in those shoes and I didn't like it too.

Sorry.

TX.

**John Ross** · 06-13-09 09:11

Originally Posted by Jimmiedean

LOL there they go torturing a new set of mongers with shame. I heat when there is so much traffic around an amp u want 2 visit.

Friday night was worse. The people going to Tsunamis took all the parking, too.

**Tyrone Biggins** · 06-13-09 08:36

Originally Posted by Stevet09

I wonder if anyone here in recent memory said they would "rape" any of these girls? I think the word "abuse" can be taken out of context, and as for me, my interpretation of that, in this forum, is to give the girl a basic pounding. Simply because one of the things these girls usually don't like is a pouding in all different kine positions. If you don't believe me, just try it on every provider here on out. There are the few that are nymphos that are built to take a pounding and love it. These are gems, but most complain even when it's not a pounding. That is why, when the girl gives the old crapass attitude, it's within our rights to give a pounding. Rape? Pounding? I don't think they are the same thing. But, go ahead and assume shit if you wish, and make it sound more dramatic.

As a side note, I usually enjoy your posts Ck813.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Steve.

Ck813 -
My post was not meant to be derogatory in anyway. I did not hope that anyone perceived it in such a way, however judging by your post, I trust you did.
My gripe, and I admit that it was MY OWN FAULT, was that I assumed a certain provider would give good service and as a result, I paid her tip before the deed was done. Once the deed commenced, I got one of the WORST service in my life. So I decided to fuck with her to make her work for that 150. I kept making her do different positions to delay my nut, until the whole hour was up. That's basically what I was implying/trying to say. I regret you took my previous statement into a wrong position, however I was just stating facts about one of the ROBS in my life, and how I would not let it happen to me again. If any of the 'reg provs' I visit shall do the same to me (since I pay them upfront because I'm a regular 'john'), I will make them 'earn' their scripts, was what I was trying to say. I apologize on my end for not being thorough with the whole experience and (personal) aftermath realization.
Hope this clears up any misconception regarding my post. I do NOT condone 'rape' in anyway, as you have interpreted from my post (remember, I pre paid that bukyak (c**t) before services were rendered). Understand that, and I think we can go on by forgetting this unfortunate misunderstanding. Hell, I enjoy reading your reports, so IMO, I think it'd be a waste to burn bridges here.
I look forward to your reply by post/PM.
Peace.

**Dan1388** · 06-12-09 05:11

Originally Posted by Vector56

Yup, this happened to me before at PT awhile back. I can't remember her name but she started bad attitude, crappy shower, money upfront then straight to the cbj w/o any massage. I told her to stop and that I wanted my money back. Then she said talk to mama. Well, mama refused to give me the house fee which was understandable since I showered, and she said that she can't help me get the money back. I told mama that I'm not paying a service fee here, I'm tipping them for good service. In which none was had. The girl didn't want to give me back my money still so then I raised my voice and said that I'm not leaving until I got my money back. And they could call the police if they wanted too. After around 10 minutes of arguing, the mama finally told the girl in Korean to give me back the money in which she did. I guess she just wanted me out because I was disturbing the other customers. I waited outside for my friend to finish and when he came out he told me, dude that was you yelling, right? I just had to chuckle and nod.

I honestly think its come to a point where some girls don't consider $2 a substantial amount of money. Yes.50 goes to house but the customers are dropping 2 bills.

It bothered me that there are basically no repercussions for girls who rip you off.

**Jimmiedean** · 06-12-09 05:10

Originally Posted by John Ross

Unfortunately, Tsunami moved to King Street in the bldg that houses Golden Massage. Tried going there last week and all these cars and people were outside.

LOL there they go torturing a new set of mongers with shame. I heat when there is so much traffic around an amp u want 2 visit.

**John Ross** · 06-12-09 04:58

Originally Posted by Blake123

No need to worry about Tsunami anymore. They have moved to a new locatiion. Landlord at Samsung Plaza wanted too much for the lease.

Unfortunately, Tsunami moved to King Street in the bldg that houses Golden Massage. Tried going there last week and all these cars and people were outside.

**Dan1388** · 06-12-09 04:58

Originally Posted by Blake123

No need to worry about Tsunami anymore. They have moved to a new locatiion. Landlord at Samsung Plaza wanted too much for the lease.

Great. That was one of the only deterrents that stopped me from going so much.

**Blake123** · 06-12-09 04:32

Originally Posted by Dan1388

Yeah I've seen her in various other places for quite some time. Tsunamis makes it very hard to get to VIP's usually I end up going after they close though.

No need to worry about Tsunami anymore. They have moved to a new locatiion. Landlord at Samsung Plaza wanted too much for the lease.

**Vector56** · 06-12-09 01:14

Yup, this happened to me before at PT awhile back. I can't remember her name but she started bad attitude, crappy shower, money upfront then straight to the cbj w/o any massage. I told her to stop and that I wanted my money back. Then she said talk to mama. Well, mama refused to give me the house fee which was understandable since I showered, and she said that she can't help me get the money back. I told mama that I'm not paying a service fee here, I'm tipping them for good service. In which none was had. The girl didn't want to give me back my money still so then I raised my voice and said that I'm not leaving until I got my money back. And they could call the police if they wanted too. After around 10 minutes of arguing, the mama finally told the girl in Korean to give me back the money in which she did. I guess she just wanted me out because I was disturbing the other customers. I waited outside for my friend to finish and when he came out he told me, dude that was you yelling, right? I just had to chuckle and nod.

Originally Posted by Dan1388

Wed night my friend and I went to VIP. I got Kitty, looks kind of like Shikira the singer if you know who that is. Very pretty caucasian looking but is hispanic. She entered the room, asked for money first (yes I know thats bad but I fell for it) I laid on my back and she tells me to flip with a big sigh like I'm inconveniencing her, so I flip and she puts on the rubber and starts the BJ, and I tell her "oh you're just going to start like that? " and she replies "yeah thats what I get paid to do". So I tell her to get off and I get dressed, she tells me I can complain to mama which I did. I tell mama what happened and Kitty tells the mama that I already fucked her which is a lie. I didn't even touch her. The mama basically says she can't so anything and I can't get any of my $ back. Kitty was a ***** to begin with and may have been one of the worst I've ever had. She had the caucasian attitude of providing horrible service. I'm out $2 and was nearly going to star a scene, but just left. Seriously avoid Kitty at VIP.

**H Mobius** · 06-11-09 23:16

Originally Posted by Carmex

Bra I've had to learn this lesson so many times I should have it inked on my arm. I've never had a good experience taking girls who are not interested. The best service you can hope for is mechanical at best, and usually rushed.

The difference between that and a chick that is in to you is phenomenal. You can apply this rule anywhere you go to monger (PI, Thailand, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc).

I'm also careful about girls recommended from the MS also, unless you have good report (sp?) with her.

Thanks dude. Yup, "report" would be "rapport".

**Dan1388** · 06-11-09 18:35

Originally Posted by Jimmiedean

Never knew she was like that. Had her before, back in the day. She seems cool. A bit rushed but very job oriented. Guess she's had bad customers. When I used 2 see her she never asked 4 the money upfront. I've had her maybe 10 times over the years. She's been in the business 4 awhile. But yeah she's not into the massage and no kissing or daty. I don't do the VIP thing cause of tsunamis. 2 easy 2 be seen. Try Yuri she is one of my atfs there. Guess money is tight, but from a post in mp area seems like VIP gets 2 much customers. I remember seeing taxis dropping off guys left and right. Usually foreigners. I think they have a Japanese clientele hook up with the taxis.

Yeah I've seen her in various other places for quite some time. Tsunamis makes it very hard to get to VIP's usually I end up going after they close though.

If you count Kitty as caucasian then that is the 2nd terrible experience with that type of provider at VIP's. My first bad experience was with Hazel, details in the loser thread also. I prefer the more local type of girl rather than the full on korean with heavy accent, but I do understand the difference in service. I think the length of time Kitty has been doing this has given her a chip on her shoulder or something. VIP was not busy when I went on wed night.

Anyone know of any good local providers at an AMP let me know, thanks.

**Jimmiedean** · 06-11-09 18:19

Originally Posted by Dan1388

Wed night my friend and I went to VIP. I got Kitty, looks kind of like Shikira the singer if you know who that is. Very pretty caucasian looking but is hispanic. She entered the room, asked for money first (yes I know thats bad but I fell for it) I laid on my back and she tells me to flip with a big sigh like I'm inconveniencing her, so I flip and she puts on the rubber and starts the BJ, and I tell her "oh you're just going to start like that? " and she replies "yeah thats what I get paid to do". So I tell her to get off and I get dressed, she tells me I can complain to mama which I did. I tell mama what happened and Kitty tells the mama that I already fucked her which is a lie. I didn't even touch her. The mama basically says she can't so anything and I can't get any of my $ back. Kitty was a ***** to begin with and may have been one of the worst I've ever had. She had the caucasian attitude of providing horrible service. I'm out $2 and was nearly going to star a scene, but just left. Seriously avoid Kitty at VIP.

Never knew she was like that. Had her before, back in the day. She seems cool. A bit rushed but very job oriented. Guess she's had bad customers. When I used 2 see her she never asked 4 the money upfront. I've had her maybe 10 times over the years. She's been in the business 4 awhile. But yeah she's not into the massage and no kissing or daty. I don't do the VIP thing cause of tsunamis. 2 easy 2 be seen. Try Yuri she is one of my atfs there. Guess money is tight, but from a post in mp area seems like VIP gets 2 much customers. I remember seeing taxis dropping off guys left and right. Usually foreigners. I think they have a Japanese clientele hook up with the taxis.

**Dan1388** · 06-11-09 16:46

Originally Posted by Badboy808

Maybe you should have called your Cop friend for some help. Or was he already there with you?

He was actually working, met us earlier outside of Evergreen.

What would you expect him to do? your rational does not make sense.

**Comp Dude 35** · 06-11-09 16:14

If they ask for the $ before the deed, I walk and tell MS I want my house fee back. When you do that, the MS will rail on the girl and you won't have to go through the trouble.
If I was in your situation, I would have taken control and fucked the shit out of her until she understands who is the one paying for service.
Just MHO, but never let the girl take control of the time; 15+ years of doing this shit makes you learn how to do things for YOUR benefit!
CD35

Originally Posted by Dan1388

Wed night my friend and I went to VIP. I got Kitty, looks kind of like Shikira the singer if you know who that is. Very pretty caucasian looking but is hispanic. She entered the room, asked for money first (yes I know thats bad but I fell for it) I laid on my back and she tells me to flip with a big sigh like I'm inconveniencing her, so I flip and she puts on the rubber and starts the BJ, and I tell her "oh you're just going to start like that? " and she replies "yeah thats what I get paid to do". So I tell her to get off and I get dressed, she tells me I can complain to mama which I did. I tell mama what happened and Kitty tells the mama that I already fucked her which is a lie. I didn't even touch her. The mama basically says she can't so anything and I can't get any of my $ back. Kitty was a ***** to begin with and may have been one of the worst I've ever had. She had the caucasian attitude of providing horrible service. I'm out $2 and was nearly going to star a scene, but just left. Seriously avoid Kitty at VIP.

**Hk P Rider** · 06-11-09 15:31

Originally Posted by Talon X

I disagree. There is a fine line between "abuse" and "rough sex". This line is always drawn by the female. Guys should never feel that they have a right to "pound" for any reason. That mentality can lead to domestic abuse or rape. And it's never healthy to harbor such hatred to women. I've known escorts, bar girls, and MP girls that endured bouts of rough sex. Most of them feel like they've been raped. But they will never complain, because that's part of the business. It doesn't make it right. They eventually run away from the mental pain and we never see them again.

This forum helps me act like a "man". Sometimes, I take my lumps (TOFFT). My revenge for bad service is a bad post. I move on. I read the forum and avoid ROBs (stay educated). And if it looks too good to be true, it's normally a scam. Keep your losses low and learn from your mistakes. By posting, you let others learn from your mistakes (higher level of intelligence).

And let me give you a little advice about sex and love making (not the same thing). I like giving it long and slow. I love looking into my girl's eyes and watch her enjoy every stroke. Her pleasure is my pleasure. And there is no satisfaction equal to giving her a totally unforgettable experience. I love satisfying women. They know it. And they appreciate it. A lot. This translates into my personal life. My friends, remain friends. Some with benefits.

Keep it in mind. Try it out. You have nothing to lose and a lot to gain. TX.

TX,

This is a very good post.

I agree with you and feel the same way.