What is hot for Dec 2007 - Boston & NE

[Lamron]

I spent a lot of time in the Zone and it was crazy times. There where women everywhere, in the clubs, on the streets, in stores. It really almost didn't matter what time you were cruising you always could find a nice looking SW. Times have really changed and the hunt is much different. On top of the Uncle Leo seems to be everywhere. All this just makes the challenge more sweet when the right prize is found. I am just getting back into the hunt after quite a few years off due to family illnesses and although there aren't the number of sws around this just makes the hunt more intense and satisfying. I'm learning to adapt and improvise and be smarter. The "good old days' are gone but the days we have now are just as good they are just different.

Safe hunting to all

I used to spend a lot of time in the zone back then also. Very rarely did I ever leave empty handed. Mostly when I was looking for some one or something specific or on the rare occation LE was out.

I remember driving through, seeing and having girls hang half thier bodies in the car and walk along side while you drove down the street trying to get a date.

The game has changed, but mostly the way you have to play it.

Good hunting, stay alert and be happy.

[Fun Usnow]

I spent a lot of time in the Zone and it was crazy times. There where women everywhere, in the clubs, on the streets, in stores. It really almost didn't matter what time you were cruising you always could find a nice looking SW. Times have really changed and the hunt is much different. On top of the Uncle Leo seems to be everywhere. All this just makes the challenge more sweet when the right prize is found. I am just getting back into the hunt after quite a few years off due to family illnesses and although there aren't the number of sws around this just makes the hunt more intense and satisfying. I'm learning to adapt and improvise and be smarter. The "good old days' are gone but the days we have now are just as good they are just different.

Safe hunting to all

[Cruiser D]

Viejo, your clarification seems reasonable to me. I got the impression you said the SW scene in the 90’s sucked compared to the one in the 60’-70’s-80’s. It didn’t and not only that you had the advantage of the area being a hell of a lot less seedy and dangerous then it used to be.

I wasn’t ho’ing in Boston in the 60’ and 70’s for obvious reasons. But I do remember what a cesspit Boston and Cambridge was during the urban decay period of the 60’s and 70’s so it all seems more then reasonable. Personally I was more then happy with the SW scene in the 90’s. The only thing I wish of Boston in the past is that I had bought a couple of Brownstones in the early 80's for 15-20k.

BM, I started ho’ing for what I think is a pretty obvious reason. I found I could cruise CT and find a very hot girl (usually more then one per night) to blow me for $40-$60. Which would have been the same cost of taking a girl out on a date – kinda seemed like a no brainer, minus the risk of STD’s and LE of course.

[Boston Monger]

the truth of the matter is back in the day, free chicks were also everywhere, so anyone younger than 30 DID NOT NOTICE the action. Word. I grew up in Cambridge but had no idea there were massage parlors there. My true feelings are that most men do not start cruising until they are either married or older.

Now that I am in that catagory, the hard times are here. Ce livie

[Viejo]

Viejo, this old - when I was younger crap generally doesn't fly. I'd gladly stack up the ho's from 90's with your ho's from the 60s 70s 80s.

Now in general before it starts - none of this 'When I used to cruise there were 100's of playboy playmates begging to blow me for $5' crap. Stuff like that shows you have no real experience,like to embelish things or what really bad taste/low standards you have.

I guess I didn't make my point clearly - here are the key factors :
1. It was easier to score. It's just a matter of numbers. At no time since the 70's could you ride down Newbury Street from Arlington to Mass Av and see 10 or more pretty good looking SW's. The same was true for Mass Av itself, from Roxbury to the river, as well as for Beacon Street - even onto Beacon Hill. Washington Street, Tremont, Huntington and Columbus Av had action from the Zone into the South End. One of the best areas were the streets around the Symphony Hall area - a high percentage of the SW's there had apartments within a few feet of their strolls. A really complete list of all the strolls that were active then would take a lot more space than I want to use here.
2. Because there were literally scores and scores of SW's in so many areas out each evening, LE was spread so thin that the chances you would get popped were tiny by comparison to what they were later as the areas with action contracted or disappeared. Since you didn't have to "do laps" through a small area, your vehicle was not an obvious mongermobile to observing constables.
3. It was less expensive - the total cost of mongering as a percentage of income was somewhat less, due primarily to the lower cost of fuel. At the time regular was well under 30 cents/gallon. Combine that with the possibility of scoring within minutes of starting your cruise and it was less expensive. As the years passed, it took more and more time to find what you wanted - of course there were those who just wanted to stay out because of the thrill of the hunt.
4. As for the quality of the SW's on the street - there were plenty of dogs out there, but again, because of the total quantity available, the number of women who looked pretty good was higher. It's a simple matter of percentages.
5. Quality of service - on a ho by ho basis, it was indeed the same as it is today - but because there were so many out there strolling, your chances of getting one who would perform well were better.
6. In addition to the SW action, there were four bars right in the Zone that were full of hookers looking for customers. In each of the 663 Lounge, Goodtime Charley's or Izzy Ort's Golden Nugget, there would be 5 to 20 or so working girls depending of the time of day/week. Most of them had a place, and they charged 30 to 40 bucks for "half and half." If they didn't have a place, you could arrange a car date-back in those days we drove cars big enough to enable a quality experience. Most of the women who worked in those places were decent looking, and it was easy to find one or more who were good performers, worthy of regular encounters.

So, that's the basis for my original statement - to me the logic is pretty indisputable, so I figure that either you were just not really aware of how it was then, or you don't believe what I'm saying.

Either way, I wouldn't have bothered to write all this to explain myself, except that your comments seemed unnecessarily adversarial, and got me a little miffed.

[Ho Hunter 328]

What track did you used to drive? There were hot girls aplenty in CT right up to 2000. Right until 9/11 it was good, had no problem at all finding quite a few real life 7+'s, the girls used to dress like stripper's and Hollywood ho's. From 9/11 to around 2003 it started getting bad. 2002 is around the time the annual Spring john, pimp, ho parade stopped - anyone who's been crusing for a while know's what I'm talking about. 2005 till now it's been basically dead.

I think you may have misunderstood me. What I meant was that back then there were so many attractive girls around that I used to drive around just trying to decide which one I wanted to try out that night (or afternoon sometimes).

[Phat Bastard]

I cruised from the early 80's until now after starting out in the peep shows.

As to how good it was before I started, I have absolutely no idea because I wasn't there to live it. Was it worse? Possibly. Was it better? Probably. But it was pretty fucking great throughout the 80's up until the early 90's and it was pretty damn good for years after that and I'm happy to have experienced what I did and wish it was still like that today.

[Cruiser D]

My point is I remember in the sunset of good cruising in CT, the last year before the BPD started blocking off Tyler, seeing Harrison Street from Kneeland to Marginal just jammed full of girls as the sun was coming up on a Sunday morning. I remember doing the Tyler - Beach - Harrison - Oak loop and it taking about 90-100 minutes to do (if I didn't score someone). I remember crusing Tyler in the early 90's on my motorcycle (wasn't a professional yet) and it looked like an outdoor strip club. The old school pimps and the stables of girls they used to rotate between Boston - NYC. For about a year I cruised this area then when I started using the girls professional, I never realized until a year later PP, Bay Village, Cortese, Isabella, the 7-11 the other side of the Pike and South Station were all good places to pick up girls.

I've been to Eastern Europe (a lot), SE Asia, South America so I know of what I speak - there was nothing at all wrong with the Boston cruising scene in the 90's. My point is Viejo is seems to be saying things were so much better in the 60-70's, it just ain't so. Of course there is one thing all of us can agree on - the street scene now is dead. Killed by the BRA and CL's.

[WebDog]

...it was more like a road coarse than doing laps - and the average SW of those times would be today's stunner. Between '67 and '75 Beantown was the biggest open air whorehouse around.

I completely believe it. Just remembering what it was like in '90 - '94 vs today. I can appreciate the is probably similar contrast between the '70s and '80s, versus '80s and 90s. I have swapped a lot of stories with the old timers about the CZ in the in the early 1970s and I know it was off the hook.

I am not sure I follow Cruiser D's point (who I usually agree with 100% of the time) other than the fact the "In may day...." routine gets old on most things -- but personally I *love* hearing stories about the former CZ and Robert B. Parker era of Boston. I could read/listen to firsthand stories like that forever. And I am also weird enough to collect every piece of CZ memorabilia I can get my hands on.

None of that was Cruiser D's point, but whether the hookers of yore are romanticized and glorified, and in fact were no better than they are today, at least there were more of them!

The first time I did the stroll in Philly (mid-1990s), there were so many BSWs that you couldn't stop and think. On any block there were literally 30-40 coming at you and the other mongers at once, and this went on for 4-5 blocks.

They were taking their tops off and many had skirts on so high-cut that everything was exposed -- it was sensory overload and no thrill of the chase whatsoever. I probably picked my last choice, as I just had to get someone and get out of there. Now, the quality of SWs was not better than Boston at the same time, but the quantity was 10x.

[Boston Monger]

I cruised the late 80's then dropped out for about 13 years. The difference was STAGGERING.

[Cruiser D]

What track did you used to drive? There were hot girls aplenty in CT right up to 2000. Right until 9/11 it was good, had no problem at all finding quite a few real life 7+'s, the girls used to dress like stripper's and Hollywood ho's. From 9/11 to around 2003 it started getting bad. 2002 is around the time the annual Spring john, pimp, ho parade stopped - anyone who's been crusing for a while know's what I'm talking about. 2005 till now it's been basically dead.

I became aware of the CT scene around 90 from hanging around in Boston when the clubs let out (back when they used to roll the sidewalks up at 2am) - started interacting with them professionally around 97. From seeing the pictures of the girls you posted I doubt you would have had a problem finding a girl you would like from 90-01 any night of the week in CT.


Viejo, this old - when I was younger crap generally doesn't fly. I'd gladly stack up the ho's from 90's with your ho's from the 60s 70s 80s.

Now in general before it starts - none of this 'When I used to cruise there were 100's of playboy playmates begging to blow me for $5' crap. Stuff like that shows you have no real experience,like to embelish things or what really bad taste/low standards you have.

I started back in the early 90's, and even then it was far better than it is now. Used to drive around for hours just trying to pick out which one I wanted. Now I drive around for hours just to find one that's reasonably attractive.

[Boston Monger]

...it was more like a road coarse than doing laps - and the average SW of those times would be today's stunner. Between '67 and '75 Beantown was the biggest open air whorehouse around.

These days cruising is so unproductive that it's not worth the trouble - the efficient monger seeks more productive ways to satisfy his appetites. Right now the easiest, safest and most productive method is to establish good hookups in stripjoints for OTC encounters. There are still elements of Le Chasse, you get to survey the prey, interact with it and determine if it will be tasty. You save a shitload of gasoline, and conduct your hunt in a safe, comfy environment.

It's a lot easier when you become an old fart...

but the $$$$$$$$$$$$!
the average monger can't afford hooking up in the joints

[Viejo]

...In the Zone days, you'd do laps, see an absolute stunner or a regular but couldn't get to her because of monger gridlock

...it was more like a road coarse than doing laps - and the average SW of those times would be today's stunner. Between '67 and '75 Beantown was the biggest open air whorehouse around.

These days cruising is so unproductive that it's not worth the trouble - the efficient monger seeks more productive ways to satisfy his appetites. Right now the easiest, safest and most productive method is to establish good hookups in stripjoints for OTC encounters. There are still elements of Le Chasse, you get to survey the prey, interact with it and determine if it will be tasty. You save a shitload of gasoline, and conduct your hunt in a safe, comfy environment.

It's a lot easier when you become an old fart...

[Ho Hunter 328]

I used to spend many hours doing laps but not any more.

In the Zone days, you'd do laps, see an absolute stunner or a regular but couldn't get to her because of monger gridlock, then she'd get into a car and you'd circle for hours only catching glimpses of her as she got into other cars. Then finally (sometimes around dawn) you'd finally get her and it would all be worth it. Not that hours of window shopping was painful on the eyes but it was still satisfying to get who you were looking for.

In Brockton back in the day, I used to spend a long time too sometimes and the homies used to yell Yo Five-O at me because they thought I was a cop....except that time some of them got sick of seeing me and smashed bottles on my car as I drove by....lol. Not funny then but hilarious now.

Nowadays the cops pull so many cars over on Main, North Main and Warren that cruising for hours is a dangerous business. The lack of SW's makes it a waste of time and money too, at least for me anyway.

I started back in the early 90's, and even then it was far better than it is now. Used to drive around for hours just trying to pick out which one I wanted. Now I drive around for hours just to find one that's reasonably attractive.

[Phat Bastard]

I'll send you the number, but like I said I'm not sure if it's still good.

As for having no luck in Brockton, you just need to be persistent. These days the few young attractive girls that are left will get picked up within 5 to 10 minutes of stepping onto the track. You just need to be in the right place at the right time. I find that these days it's not unusual at all for me to spend 4 to 6 hours driving around in circles to find something worth while (I think my record is 9 hours). Seems to be pretty much the way it is everywhere in MA now. But when you do find that nice young attractive girl who provides good service at a nice reasonable price it's all worth it. Even better when she has a phone so you can get her whenever you want next time.

Stay safe, and happy hunting.

I used to spend many hours doing laps but not any more.

In the Zone days, you'd do laps, see an absolute stunner or a regular but couldn't get to her because of monger gridlock, then she'd get into a car and you'd circle for hours only catching glimpses of her as she got into other cars. Then finally (sometimes around dawn) you'd finally get her and it would all be worth it. Not that hours of window shopping was painful on the eyes but it was still satisfying to get who you were looking for.

In Brockton back in the day, I used to spend a long time too sometimes and the homies used to yell Yo Five-O at me because they thought I was a cop....except that time some of them got sick of seeing me and smashed bottles on my car as I drove by....lol. Not funny then but hilarious now.

Nowadays the cops pull so many cars over on Main, North Main and Warren that cruising for hours is a dangerous business. The lack of SW's makes it a waste of time and money too, at least for me anyway.