2006 Massage Parlor Reports

[Fatpig]

Went to AO and asked for Wendy. The manager told me that she no longer works there. was also told that they are certified and licensed professionals, and will not tolerate any misconducts. Guess that they have read your comment.

That sucks. Except for her teeth she was ok. she did have a hot bod. Is Jenny still there. All I know is I do not want the old lady like they had when they first opened.

[Jet Ranger]

I don't know about any of you, but, when I read the VA law Jetranger posted, I was thinking about the fact that my taxes went into the intense research and floor debate that must have happened in order to create that law. Kinda' like having to take off our shoes at the airport...

I think about a place like Australia where the hobby is legal, regulated and fun for providers and guys. One of the most "legal", and in a strange way, erotic, is the "inspection" the lady does of your package under a bright light before the session begins.

We in the US can only hope...

Uncle Sam, State, and local government would tax the business and the workers to death. Look at the costs of visiting the legal brothels in Nevada. I'm a Libertarian and all for decriminalization of the hobby as private, recreational activity between two consenting adults. Unfortunately for us, the cost for FS would probably double, however, if they legalized and regulated the AMPs and collected income taxes from the girls and owners.

It comes down to what constitutes a "bawdy house." Assuming the girls are there voluntarily and not "trafficked," technically, presumably since AMP girls don't file W-2s, they're not really "employees" of the establishments where you find them. As a result, when we pay the "manager" a house fee, all we're really doing is renting a room for an hour or a specified period of time. For all anyone knows, we could just use their shower, sauna, and tanning bed and/or be in there taking a nap by ourselves.

A girl, often wearing a bikini or miniskirt, who is not an employee, knocks on your door, collects the house fee (rent) and delivers it to the manager for you and comes back and asks if you want company. If you want company, she will stay with you for a while and what transpires is between you and her, not between you and the management. That's why you don't pay the house fee and tip to the manager. Ostensibly, the management has no idea anything of a sexual nature is taking place BCD.

Of course, the IRS would disagree and claim that the girls really are independent contractors plying an illegal trade and their tips are their earnings which they don't file tax returns on. Presumably, the girls also pay a fee to the manager as their "rent" for being there on the premises.

With the exception of the Federal raids on the West Coast earlier this year and the August East Coast Federal raids, along with some high profile local LE raids of AMPs in Waterbury, Connecticut and a handful of other places, you almost never see media reporting on local LE AMP raids here (with the exception of Spotsylvania County where LE went over the line.) They must not have found much and the main tactic seems to be harassment of the customers, girls, managers, and owners.

Because sex doesn't take place in a "legitimate" business in an office park, it is very hard to explain away a carton of hundreds of condoms (and recently used ones) found during an LE raid. As a result, we have seen an increase in girls working out of condos which are not subject to business zoning/code inspections and health department "inspections."

Another counter-move during LE crackdowns is a "condom less AMP." The manager doesn't allow condoms on the premises or on the girls that are there, so if LE visits, there is no evidence of anything of a sexual nature going on. Of course, if we bring and dispose of our own cover and can negotiate our own deal BCD, that's strictly between the girl and us. I have used this technique often in R&T places to get FS when the girl is willing.

[Max #01]

I don't know about any of you, but, when I read the VA law Jetranger posted, I was thinking about the fact that my taxes went into the intense research and floor debate that must have happened in order to create that law. Kinda' like having to take off our shoes at the airport...

I think about a place like Australia where the hobby is legal, regulated and fun for providers and guys. One of the most "legal", and in a strange way, erotic, is the "inspection" the lady does of your package under a bright light before the session begins.

We in the US can only hope...

[Novaflow]

Figured with all the LE action to the south, I'd head north to Sterling to visit the local rub-n-tug. AO. Twice before, I had received a descent massage but only once was offered and did receive minimal extra service. It was rushed, and she was not in her element. The General was not very pleased and the boys did not get the are&are they were hoping for.

This last visit, attitudes were more formal. The place has apparently gone legit. Or way under the radar and is only providing extras to known repeat customers, which I am not. I got a good massage. All the way through 1 hour. No additional service offered, and when I asked for a tug, she was offended and said "Just massagie. Only massagie". I was embarrassed and I walked away.

On the z-scale, Sophie gets 3/4/0/0. I hope that this is a pejorative enough score and puts me back in good graces with those of you who were commenting on the last far-too-generous-grading of the lovely HWC Lucy? The service at AO sucked. I would not waste another penny even if I needed a legitimate massage.

As for being caught in the act. Recommend you have the home- and cell-number of a well known criminal defense attorney on your speed dial. You never know when you need that for other incidences. But if you're being hauled in and charged for being in a bawdy house, you'll wish you had a good attorney that you can count on. It will be the most important call you make that day, and the beginning of an expensive relationship.

BTW. During my visits, I too never bring in a phone, or a watch or jewelry, or my wallet. I keep 5 Jacksons in a discreet place (not my pant pockets). Can't be too careful leaving ID around a place like that. You never know what's going on while your getting the boys soaped up in the TS. And just having cash on you looks a little incriminating. But then again that is circumstantial. Having dealt with LE on several occasions in actions against others, I can tell you that they don't waste allot of time building cases with circumstantial evidence on petty misdemeanors like being a John, because they like to work complaints that are clear violations, with substantial evidence so that the charges stick. If you banging a K-girl in the ass and your dangling a see-note from your teeth, and LE walks in, you're likely going downtown in a cruiser. And I don't mean to the spa in DC.

It's a risk we all take. But damn, that poontang is worth it, ain't it?

Not a sermon. Just a thought.

NF

[NcMgr]

Thank you Jet for the reprinting of your Legal Primer. Don't recall seeing mention of confiscation of your automobile. I've heard in DC and other places they confiscate your vehicle in prostitution cases. Does it apply to AMPs as well? Anyone know the truth and/or have the legal code that applies to loss of vehicle?

[Kluvr]

Have any of us been caught in the act during a bust? What would the charge be and the penalty?

Does anyone here know the real truth about the dangers of getting busted?

JJ

Guessing this was mid-2005, I didn't get caught in the act, but was finishing up and heard the racket in the next room and we quickly got dressed and waited on the knock. Four of DC's finest, one in his "I'm a fat slob monger shirt" gives me the twenty questions and asked for my id. Explained came in for steam and rubdown. When pressed on the matter I said nothing extra had been offered or requested. Politely listen to his diatribe as they talk to the other monger and take pics of the girls and manager. Out and gone in 15 minutes. Did scare the bejeezes out of me since I'd heard of DC's Johns School and really didn't want to go thru that or have the arrest on my record. Stayed away for months and was a long time before I felt comfortable in a Spa again. I'm guessing it could have been a pretty hefty fine if caught in the act.

ps. Was asked where I work (I said self employed) and was given a veiled threat of calling numbers on my cell phone (always have it in the car or off with a pin), but he figured he'd scared me enough and just took my info and said if he sees me again in one of these he'll run me in. Yes sir, my mistake, thank you.

[Tom Thumbs]

I want to know, what le is bothering my HWC?

Is it Prince William, the state, feds, who?

Because I will go talk to them.

[MoonView]

Raids here in NOVA and Molluscum Contagiosum roulette in DC.

What's next...floods, fire, locusts?!

MnV

[Rejected Monke]

They're all back on the streets. Most of them were planning to go back home ASAP, but all forms of ID were confiscated (is this legal?).

[Zhuxi]

Fortunately, I have never been present during a raid, but besides the humiliation and embarassment along with the implied threat to your reputation if you're jailed or go to court, LE can hold you for questioning if there is probable cause. If they thought they had enough evidence to come inside an AMP, they probably already have probable cause to believe that a crime or crimes are taking place inside.

It has always been one of my personal goals to have a hot K girl bent over a table while some LEO is kicking the door in.

Has not happened yet, so I guess I'll keep on working (Or is it fucking?).

Zhuxi

[AMPlvr]

Went to AO and asked for Wendy. The manager told me that she no longer works there. was also told that they are certified and licensed professionals, and will not tolerate any misconducts. Guess that they have read your comment.

My assumption.

I was saving my pennies to visit-guess I'll just "beat it".

[Jet Ranger]

Have any of us been caught in the act during a bust? What would the charge be and the penalty?

Does anyone here know the real truth about the dangers of getting busted?

JJ

Fortunately, I have never been present during a raid, but besides the humiliation and embarassment along with the implied threat to your reputation if you're jailed or go to court, LE can hold you for questioning if there is probable cause. If they thought they had enough evidence to come inside an AMP, they probably already have probable cause to believe that a crime or crimes are taking place inside.

Realistically, however, what goes on BCD is hard to prove. I haven't heard what happened to the guys that were present during the August raids up and down the East Coast.

Even in DC, where P4P is technically legal (but solicitation for it by either customer or provider is not), LE is usually at a disadvantage when trying to send in a guy undercover to prove that solicitation (unless the girl is really stupid or you're in Spotsylvania County where LE got caught touching the girls.) I advise the girls to beware of any guy that will not touch them or attempts to negotiate specific prices in advance for a particular service as possible undercover LE.

For us, the obvious rule is to confess to nothing, you were there to get an innocent massage and you can't check the girl's Green Card status or see her massage license. Of course, if you're caught coitus interruptus, that's a whole different story as it's tough to explain why you're having sex in a place of business. Still, never admit that you are paying or offered to pay for sexual services would be the best advice.

The toughest thing to deal with as far as evidence is concerned is the condom. If time permits, the girls probably try to flush them down the toilet if they have advanced warning of a raid. I always try to keep a towel close by just in case and be prepared to put on my undershorts quickly in case of an emergency.

As we have seen recently by the Federal involvement in some raids, unless it's local LE trying to get rid of AMPs as a "local nuisance," customers are a side show, LE is really after the AMP operators and network that supplies the girls. Because local LE efforts have in many cases been ineffective as they often can only rely on building or health code violations, the Feds roll in looking for immigration violations, alleged human trafficking, federal income tax violations, etc.

Here are some of the state laws in Virginia that affect us. I posted these a while ago, here's a refresher:

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VA Code § 18.2-346. Being a prostitute or prostitution

A. Any person in Virginia, who, for money or its equivalent, commits adultery, fornication or any act in violation of § 18.2-361, or offers to commit adultery, fornication or any act in violation of § 18.2-361 and thereafter does any substantial act in furtherance thereof, shall be guilty of being a prostitute, or prostitution, which shall be punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor.

B. Any person in Virginia, who offers money or its equivalent to another for the purpose of engaging in sexual acts as enumerated above and thereafter does any substantial act in furtherance thereof shall be guilty of solicitation of prostitution and shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

VA Code § 18.2-355. Taking, detaining, etc., person for prostitution,etc., or consenting thereto

Any person in Virginia, who:

(1) For purposes of prostitution or unlawful sexual intercourse, takes any person into, or persuades, encourages or causes any person to enter, a bawdy place, or takes or causes such person to be taken to any place against his or her will for such purposes; or,

(2) Takes or detains a person against his or her will with the intent to compel such person, by force, threats, persuasions, menace or duress, to marry him or her or to marry any other person, or to be defiled; or,

(3) Being parent, guardian, legal custodian or one standing in loco parentis of a person, consents to such person being taken or detained by any person for the purpose of prostitution or unlawful sexual intercourse; is guilty of pandering, and shall be guilty of a Class 4 felony.

VA Code § 18.2-29. Criminal solicitation; penalty

Any person in Virginia, who commands, entreats, or otherwise attempts to persuade another person to commit a felony other than murder, shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony. Any person age eighteen or older who commands, entreats, or otherwise attempts to persuade another person under age eighteen to commit a felony other than murder, shall be guilty of a Class 5 felony. Any person who commands, entreats, or otherwise attempts to persuade another person to commit a murder is guilty of a felony punishable by confinement in a state correctional facility for a term not less than five years or more than forty years.

VA Code § 18.2-357. Receiving money from earnings of male or female prostitute

Any person in Virginia, who shall knowingly receive any money or other valuable thing from the earnings of any male or female engaged in prostitution, except for a consideration deemed good and valuable in law, shall be guilty of pandering, punishable as a Class 4 felony.

VA Code § 18.2-356. Receiving money for procuring person

Any person in Virginia, who shall receive any money or other valuable thing for or on account of procuring for or placing in a house of prostitution or elsewhere any person for the purpose of causing such person to engage in unlawful sexual intercourse or any act in violation of § 18.2-361 shall be guilty of a Class 4 felony.

VA Code § 18.2-361. Crimes against nature; penalty

A. If any person in Virginia, carnally knows in any manner any brute animal, or carnally knows any male or female person by the anus or by or with the mouth, or voluntarily submits to such carnal knowledge, he or she shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony, except as provided in subsection B.

B. Any person who performs or causes to be performed cunnilingus, fellatio, anilingus or anal intercourse upon or by his daughter or granddaughter, son or grandson, brother or sister, or father or mother is guilty of a Class 5 felony. However, if a parent or grandparent commits any such act with his child or grandchild and such child or grandchild is at least 13 but less than 18 years of age at the time of the offense, such parent or grandparent is guilty of a Class 3 felony.

C. For the purposes of this section, parent includes step-parent, grandparent includes step-grandparent, child includes step-child and grandchild includes step-grandchild.

VA Code § 18.2-350. Confinement of convicted prostitutes and persons violating §§ 18.2-347 through 18.2-349

Every person convicted of being a prostitute in Virginia, and every person convicted of violating any of the provisions of §§ 18.2-347 through 18.2-349 shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor; provided, however, that in any case in which a city or county farm or hospital is available for the confinement of persons so convicted, confinement may be in such farm or hospital, in the discretion of the court or judge.

VA Code § 18.2-348. Aiding prostitutionor illicit sexual intercourse

It shall be unlawful in Virginia, for any person or any officer, employee or agent of any firm, association or corporation, with knowledge of, or good reason to believe, the immoral purpose of such visit, to take or transport or assist in taking or transporting, or offer to take or transport on foot or in any way, any person to a place, whether within or without any building or structure, used or to be used for the purpose of lewdness, assignation or prostitution within this Commonwealth; or procure or assist in procuring for the purpose of illicit sexual intercourse, or any act violative of § 18.2-361, or to give any information or direction to any person with intent to enable such person to commit an act of prostitution.

VA Code § 18.2-347. Keeping, residing in or frequenting a bawdy place; "bawdy place" defined

It shall be unlawful in Virginia, for any person to keep any bawdy place, or to reside in or at or visit, for immoral purposes, any such bawdy place. Each and every day such bawdy place shall be kept, resided in or visited, shall constitute a separate offense. In a prosecution under this section the general reputation of the place may be proved.

As used in this Code, "bawdy place" shall mean any place within or without any building or structure which is used or is to be used for lewdness, assignation or prostitution.

[Benchseats Rock]

"NewBee" just sent me this PM:

Newbee

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HI there. I am thinking of getting my first massage at Sakura. What is the door fee? What are the standard tip rates and how do you pay it... do you put it on table before the massage or give it to the woman? Any advice for a first-timer? Thanks! Chris

Maybe some of the other seniors would care to reply??

JJ

Oh dear sweet Jebus, you're not fucking serious are you? Sleaze, you've got to please tell us that you're just having some fun ringing Pavlov's bell.... I mean, it has got to be a million to one odds that there is really someone out there that is exactly that stupid and lazy to go though the effort of finding the forum and not putting forth any effort to actually use it.
Wait a minute - other than some of the girls I've met in college, the only other creature that is naturally this stupid and lazy are police officers.

[MassLover]

Went to AO in Sterling the other night to try it out. I was met at the door who would also be my provider that night named Wendy. She was ok looking, great body, face looked kinda old. ... I was very happy with my visit to AO and plan to go back soon.

Went to AO and asked for Wendy. The manager told me that she no longer works there. was also told that they are certified and licensed professionals, and will not tolerate any misconducts. Guess that they have read your comment.

[Sleazebum]

"NewBee" just sent me this PM:

Newbee

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HI there. I am thinking of getting my first massage at Sakura. What is the door fee? What are the standard tip rates and how do you pay it... do you put it on table before the massage or give it to the woman? Any advice for a first-timer? Thanks! Chris

Maybe some of the other seniors would care to reply??

JJ