2006 Massage Parlor Reports

[VanDriver]

Video clip can be found at:

http://dynamic.allbrittontv.com/watc...b?s=wjla&i=475

The story even shows part of one of my earlier USG reports on this topic today!

I couldn't get that one to work...

Try this:

http://dynamic.wjla.com/watchvideo.hrb?s=wjla&id=475

van

[Jet Ranger]

Video clip can be found at:

http://dynamic.allbrittontv.com/watc...b?s=wjla&i=475

The story even shows part of one of my earlier USG reports on this topic today!

[BigTigger]

Maybe I'm overreacting, but I'm leaning in that direction too and I've been at this for over 9 years.

BigTigg

I saw that article and read those names and addresses and it has put the fear into me! I am retired from the scene effective immediately!

It just AIN'T worth it to me anymore!

BE CAREFUL!! and give them a few pumps for me...

JJ

[Tom Thumbs]

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[Sleazebum]

I saw that article and read those names and addresses and it has put the fear into me! I am retired from the scene effective immediately!

It just AIN'T worth it to me anymore!

BE CAREFUL!! and give them a few pumps for me...

JJ

O12,

Good point!

I'm sure many had not thought about those circumstances before passing judgment on this poor guy. LE can and do use means "above the law" to get suspects to do what they want, often threatening community exposure, let alone family involvement.

Somehow I can't believe that most of the men named in the article , given the same circumstances(i.e., pulled over) wouldn't have done the same thing to keep themselves out of trouble.

As we are all not lawyers, and under dourest, cool heads tend not to prevail especially for the guy that has "the family" at home. "Walking a mile in one's shoes" might be appropriate here....God forbid!!

One thing is fore sure these days...hitting the AMPs is dangerous, if you do be prepared to suffer the consequences that might follow.


Now more than ever be safe,
MnV

[Lindy54]

It's tough to say what anyone would do if you got pulled over leaving an AMP (or similar establishment). I am very familiar with what LE does when they stop people, especially in Florida. They first ask for cooperation. When it is not forthcoming, many will tell you there is an on-going investigation at this location and because you were seen leaving during this investigation you are a potential witness/defendant and thus subject to subpoena at a future date. You are then told that the subpoenas will be delivered to your house when you are out. Guess who they say will be given this paperwork. The wife or SO. Not many spouses will understand why their mates are getting a subpoena to testify in a lewd / lascivious / prostitution investigation. This info is listed on the subpoena. In most cases cooperation is quick and listed as voluntary. It doesn't hurt to say you were in there, but don't admit to everything. Just a little truth in every lie you tell. Just my suggestion.

Good luck and stay safe.

[Virile Vito]

Fortunately, I have never been present during a raid, but besides the humiliation and embarassment along with the implied threat to your reputation if you're jailed or go to court, LE can hold you for questioning if there is probable cause. If they thought they had enough evidence to come inside an AMP, they probably already have probable cause to believe that a crime or crimes are taking place inside.

Realistically, however, what goes on BCD is hard to prove. I haven't heard what happened to the guys that were present during the August raids up and down the East Coast.

What seems to be interesting here is that just reading about what allegedly took place there on a "blog" (presumably this board on USA Sex Guide) may not have been enough to get a warrant for LE to go in. If they sent an undercover guy in who tried to negotiate specifc acts for a specific amount and would not touch the girls himself, hopefully the girls would have figured out he was LE and not offered him anything more than a massage and he would have no evidence of any illegal activity.

What it did seem to take to get a warrant to raid the place was this guy's affadavit about his "experience" at the AMP.

Gentlemen,

First of all, my sympathies to you. This is a story we are become all-to-familiar with in the Northeast this year.

I think that Jet Ranger's analysis is right on the mark, but unfortunately (w/o an in-depth knowledge of VA's laws and cases) it may be more applicable to avoiding a conviction than avoiding an arrest. For instance, one wonders what in the hell evidence they have on the soliciting a prostitute charge. Did they actually see the money changing hands? Did they hear a request? If they did, could they understand it? Was that guy also dumb enough to admit something (doubtful)?

It is trully difficult to stop run-amok LE from abusing businesses and customers and making arrests on trumped-up charges. It is especially difficult in these situations because of all the idiotic media hype and brainwashing buzzwords that often accompany these busts. Such LE assholes could care less if charges get thrown out, especially if their harassment flays customers in public and drives out our fine AMPs. For a flagrant case of LE abuse you might check the boards for Providence, RI, where it is absolutely legal to get your rocks off at an AMP, but completely baseless, unlawful LE assaults continue anyway. Never underestimate the capacity of LE for utter lying, corruption and willingness to ignore the written and adjudged law.

In truth, the odds of being arrested in an AMP are always going to be slim, but it is something to always bear in mind and be ready for. As Zhuxi and others have alluded to, the first key when getting questioned by LE is to remain calm and quiet. Loose lips sink ships.

Good luck and be safe,

Vito

[Sarang Haeyo]

Maybe I was rough calling the guy a candy ass BUT: realize that when you walk into an AMP (see Jet's post) you are running a risk just being there. You have to be prepared at all times that you may be confronted by LE either in the place or on your way out.

If you get your rocks off in an AMP you are breaking the law. If you break the law and get nabbed you have to be prepared to suffer the consequences. Common sense dictates: Keep your mouth shut, calm down, let the adrenaline subside, breathe deeply and don't give anything up. Unless of course you're caught with your pants down.

Maybe this is easy for me to say because I've had many run-ins with LE and because I'm finished with the AMP scene. It's time; with all the LE activity surrounding the AMPs; to start thinking with the big head for a while.

Good luck,
SH

[Rejected Monke]

I wonder if the girls will be charged with anything, or if they will just be turned over to ICE like the ones apprehended on Black Wednesday in August.

I don't know what the current lineup at HWC was, but I do know that Shasha, Mina, and JoAnne are out and about calling each other on the phone.

[Rejected Monke]

BTW, yeah it's okay to squeal because you need to save your own "reputation". Meanwhile, you fuck over girls that can barely speak English, let alone defend themselves from the law, who may or may not need the money for legitimate reasons.

[Rejected Monke]

1. The guy who squealed is a pussy for sure.

2. It doesn't seem like any of the "girls" were arrested or charged. That's a relief. However, I have information that their ID's, passports, and visas were all taken away. Hopefully they've been returned since last Friday.

3. How did they catch EIGHT guys (along with the manager)? Maybe I've just never been to HWC during the busy period? Didn't one dude here say he walked in during the bust and just left?

[MoonView]

With all due respect man, I went through the same situation this guy did, though mine was actually probably worse, and I think I already talked with you about it. (They could have taken me in on more then getting a massage that day).

Bottom line is, for me it is easy to pass judgement on him. It is really an age old way of dealing with LE. They only have you on what they can prove, or what you tell them.

Zhuxi

Z- my brother,

That's my point, most have no idea what their rights are.

I know you've been thru it and understand the ordeal; what I didn't mention to you is, I went thru it too, down in FL where they busted right into the room. Fortunately I was clothed, gave up nothing and was able to walk out.

Though nothing happened to me, it had to be one of the scariest days of my life and I can understand how some might buckle under the strain. As for us, single guys, I can't believe it's not different....

Check your PM,
MnV

[Zhuxi]

O12,

Good point!

I'm sure many had not thought about those circumstances before passing judgment on this poor guy. LE can and do use means "above the law" to get suspects to do what they want, often threatening community exposure, let alone family involvement.

Somehow I can't believe that most of the men named in the article , given the same circumstances(i.e., pulled over) wouldn't have done the same thing to keep themselves out of trouble.

As we are all not lawyers, and under dourest, cool heads tend not to prevail especially for the guy that has "the family" at home. "Walking a mile in ones shoes" might be appropriate here....God forbid!!

One thing is fore sure these days...hitting the AMPs is dangerous, if you do be prepared to suffer the consequences that might follow.


Now more than ever be safe,
MnV

With all due respect man, I went through the same situation this guy did, though mine was actually probably worse, and I think I already talked with you about it. (They could have taken me in on more then getting a massage that day).

Bottom line is, for me it is easy to pass judgement on him. It is really an age old way of dealing with LE. They only have you on what they can prove, or what you tell them.

Zhuxi

[MoonView]

O12,

Good point!

I'm sure many had not thought about those circumstances before passing judgment on this poor guy. LE can and do use means "above the law" to get suspects to do what they want, often threatening community exposure, let alone family involvement.

Somehow I can't believe that most of the men named in the article , given the same circumstances(i.e., pulled over) wouldn't have done the same thing to keep themselves out of trouble.

As we are all not lawyers, and under dourest, cool heads tend not to prevail especially for the guy that has "the family" at home. "Walking a mile in one's shoes" might be appropriate here....God forbid!!

One thing is fore sure these days...hitting the AMPs is dangerous, if you do be prepared to suffer the consequences that might follow.


Now more than ever be safe,
MnV

I am not defending the person who did it, but somehow I bet they were led to believe that the police would be letting their employer or wife know that they were in a "bawdy place".

If you read the Michigan boards there was a case where the police sent letters to the homes of people who parked at a massage parlor. Unfortunately, it the letter was addressed to the registered person, which could have been their wife or gf.

It seems that these two actions violate the 4th amendment, but I am not a lawyer.

[Orion12]

I am not defending the person who did it, but somehow I bet they were led to believe that the police would be letting their employer or wife know that they were in a "bawdy place".

If you read the Michigan boards there was a case where the police sent letters to the homes of people who parked at a massage parlor. Unfortunately, it the letter was addressed to the registered person, which could have been their wife or gf.

It seems that these two actions violate the 4th amendment, but I am not a lawyer.