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Originally Posted by Moejoo
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I've been doing the strip club thing for several decades now and have seen a lot of changes. When I was within their dating ages and looked like I was in the gym several days a week the game was very different than it is now that I'm an old guy. There has always been take out but it getting it was very different back then than now much of it I think it attributable to my age. A majority of the guys that they dance for would like OTC, some because they want a relationship, some because they want to fuck a hot crazy girl and probably 100 other reasons in between. With OF, SB sites and other social media girls have a lot more personal income stream sources and don't need OTC money as much. Maybe 1 out of every 5 girls I try to hook up with in the club give me their number. Most puzzling to me is once I have the number only maybe 1 out of 10 leads to a hook up most turn into a few text messages and then fade away. . High rollers with boats get a half dozen girls on their boats every weekend all summer. Plenty of other low profile stuff going on with big money guys and several girls at a time also. Clubs don't get a lot from every dance, chances are she will pocket less from the time she puts out A to Z with what you are willing to pay vs what she would make at the club and she doesn't have to worry if you are a maniac or will be a stalker. Once you get passed all of that your time with her will be tempered with all of her personal drama, and they all have tons of it. Most girls that give you their number have given it to a bunch of other guys that you are now competing with but know nothing about. Most of them are dumb and get you mixed up with other guys mid text conversation, they forget which story they told you and change their narrative mid conversation. This is probably but a fraction of the layers going on with chasing strippers. Its a dumb game but I still enjoy it from time to time.
Mr. Mj! You are one important guy imo that participates in these threads. No really and no s**t. All of your observations are so very spot on as in my way back machine I actually dealt with the likes of these girls in my booking agency business. Did not book headline girls nor girls in local clubs. The girls I booked moonlighted at clubs and made their bigger money at private bachelor, divorce, sports parties that I booked. Now also that one pro I keep harping about on here that I knew was extremely low key and opposite of the dust that these women in clubs kick up for excitement. She was extremely under the radar in all of the drama. Now that said when you use terms like "crazy hot chick" and the rest of that. Oh boy does that ring home so true! If dudes actually saw the real girl outside of the club fantasy in her real life they would not walk but run fast away from all of that drama! You are also so right in regards to the big big money players with yachts et al. There is a lot of that around town these days. You got a guy selling perfumes at the flea in back of the yards that has three new vets and shows them and flashes. These are the club types as well. Just good strong advise. Ok enough you are too good! Bye. Oldman stosh.
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I've been doing the strip club thing for several decades now and have seen a lot of changes. When I was within their dating ages and looked like I was in the gym several days a week the game was very different than it is now that I'm an old guy. There has always been take out but it getting it was very different back then than now much of it I think it attributable to my age. A majority of the guys that they dance for would like OTC, some because they want a relationship, some because they want to fuck a hot crazy girl and probably 100 other reasons in between. With OF, SB sites and other social media girls have a lot more personal income stream sources and don't need OTC money as much. Maybe 1 out of every 5 girls I try to hook up with in the club give me their number. Most puzzling to me is once I have the number only maybe 1 out of 10 leads to a hook up most turn into a few text messages and then fade away. . High rollers with boats get a half dozen girls on their boats every weekend all summer. Plenty of other low profile stuff going on with big money guys and several girls at a time also. Clubs don't get a lot from every dance, chances are she will pocket less from the time she puts out A to Z with what you are willing to pay vs what she would make at the club and she doesn't have to worry if you are a maniac or will be a stalker. Once you get passed all of that your time with her will be tempered with all of her personal drama, and they all have tons of it. Most girls that give you their number have given it to a bunch of other guys that you are now competing with but know nothing about. Most of them are dumb and get you mixed up with other guys mid text conversation, they forget which story they told you and change their narrative mid conversation. This is probably but a fraction of the layers going on with chasing strippers. Its a dumb game but I still enjoy it from time to time.
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Knockouts.
I just visited this place yesterday early afternoon.
Very, very similar to maybe Bobbys -.
There is a bar, decent food, tables, etc.
No pool table tho.
I was told that it is related to Gold Room.
Parking is better. Turn off of lake (to the north), follow the barricades, park on the west side of the building and walk around back to the east side of the building for the entrance.
They do need better signage.
It was nice. Definitely upscale from, say, the old Jays.
Girls hanging out, dressed in lingerie / fishnet stockings / etc.
Dances are $15, in the back.
Topless and pretty strict on hands below the waist.
If you were a regular at Bobbies / etc. , you will probably see some old friends.
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Originally Posted by ChimilDetin
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One of the things I like about strip clubs is you don't have to be forward. The girls will come to you at some point, especially if you show interest by tipping the ones you like when they're on stage.
When I actually go out and try and run game on civvy girls at bars or clubs, it's always starting the process that's the problem for me. I've never been able to master being "Mr. Right Now;" I. E. The kind of guy who can land one-night stands. I think women who get to know me over time figure out I'm good boyfriend material, but I'm not trying to be anyone's boyfriend at this stage of the game. It's easier for me to get closer to what I want by paying for it at a club.
They'll still let a girl go if she's getting away with too much, or pissing off the other girls because they think she gets away with too much and steals their customers accordingly. That's kinda-sorta where club drama lies, honestly: The girls versus the other girls. If you can largely stay out of that, you're fine. Generally speaking, the girls who stay out of that are the ones who stay at a club for a long time. Get too wrapped up in that and you'll find somewhere else to go..
For taking the time to do this in the discussion. Go with the flow of the club and stay out of the way. Players only love you when they're playing as the song goes. Been there done that. I would like to have experiences like I had back in the day in today's day. Again my recent club experiences are not that recent and what you say makes sense in that there is some of that still in the clubs, however it's a numbers game to find it. Thanks again stosh.
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Originally Posted by Ump1969
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I know I am the shy type that is not forward. If experienced, the girls probably know who to approach that is going to wave cash at them and who is just window shopping. The cash is what it is all about.
One of the things I like about strip clubs is you don't have to be forward. The girls will come to you at some point, especially if you show interest by tipping the ones you like when they're on stage.
When I actually go out and try and run game on civvy girls at bars or clubs, it's always starting the process that's the problem for me. I've never been able to master being "Mr. Right Now;" I. E. The kind of guy who can land one-night stands. I think women who get to know me over time figure out I'm good boyfriend material, but I'm not trying to be anyone's boyfriend at this stage of the game. It's easier for me to get closer to what I want by paying for it at a club.
Originally Posted by Ump1969
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Club owners are nervous. They don't really care what the girls do except they don't want police raids and the loss of licenses and their businesses. They want at least a hint of sex because that's why guys frequent their clubs.
They'll still let a girl go if she's getting away with too much, or pissing off the other girls because they think she gets away with too much and steals their customers accordingly. That's kinda-sorta where club drama lies, honestly: The girls versus the other girls. If you can largely stay out of that, you're fine. Generally speaking, the girls who stay out of that are the ones who stay at a club for a long time. Get too wrapped up in that and you'll find somewhere else to go.
Originally Posted by Ump1969
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Have you ever been to the ones in Washington Park, down by St Louis? The girls make a point of hinting what you can get if you're willing to pay for it. Mostly, it's not worth what they charge in my view.
Go to Detroit sometime. With the exception of the 8 Mile clubs they've cracked down on, just about anything goes out there, although again, it comes with a price.
Originally Posted by Illini333
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A lot has changed in 20 years. The euro trash are long god unfortunately. Every once in a while there will be a hot Polish or Russian but the fact is that Eastern Europeans are not coming here. Maybe some Ukrainians will pop up with the war refugee population. All the clubs are mostly Cuban and Venezuelan now. Go to Industrial, Scores, Gold room, Carls, and All Stars and it is majority Cubans. HB is still mixed but is leaning towards majority Latinas.
I'm at Scores often enough to say there's at least a balance of different ethnicities. There's often two Romanians there on weekends, a blonde and a brunette. Go for the brunette and you'll have as good of an experience as you can have without extras. Polekatz is similar.
But yeah, there's fewer "good girls with a naughty side" types among the talent nowadays. I think a lot of those girls have gone to sugaring, unfortunately, which is an area I don't want to dabble in. Not so few that you can't find them, but ther are fewer than there were 20 years ago.
Originally Posted by StanleyStankas
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My fond memories of clubs is where the girl sat down, didn't push for drinks and just hung out. If the vibe was right we went back to the back room and it was mostly just feeling each other up.
Again, there's still some of that if you go after the right women in the club. Go for the older ones; they're often shapelier and more-intelligent, anyhow. Scores and Polekatz both have ladies that, if you get to know them and see them somewhat regularly, will engage in conversation and actually get to know you. Young folks just aren't as good of conversationalists nowadays. Most grew up with a cell phone in their hands and are more used to communicating that way. I'm a little nervous about what procreation is going to be like for upcoming generations. But that doesn't mean they've disappeared. You just have to look a little harder.
Originally Posted by StanleyStankas
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Have not been to blackjacks in years. Met the owner once there had to be early 2000's and I believe it was audition night.
I went to Blackjacks once and didn't care for it. Both way too far out of the way and felt like the girls were too pushy.
Originally Posted by StanleyStankas
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What little experience I have had clubbing like that just bouncing around with a few guys, tons of drama. Actually when I booked strippers in my business for private parties after I stopped I told guys look it's 90 % of my bs and 10 % of my business. If that turns around, call me! Stosh all I know. P.S. Yea it's all your mileage may vary. The girl does not want to get kicked out the club and if a guy is not cautious and does not know the way to play that game in that particular club, then I would suggest staying away. One does not want their vehicle windows busted out or paint finish keyed again way way too much drama on all sides in clubs.
I've never had anything happen to my car. Only time I was mildly threatened at a club, I deserved it. I was 21, it was my second time at a club and I thought the woman with the thick, fake accent was telling me to stick around and wait for her after the club closed. In reality, I had just misheard her and a bouncer "helped" me back to my car when I went back to the door to see if she was coming out. In the 20 years and hundreds of club trips in my life since, I haven't had that problem again.
But no, if you're nice, respectful and easy-going, you generally experience no drama. Maybe you see it from others now and then, but it's few and far between.
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Originally Posted by Illini333
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A lot has changed in 20 years. The euro trash are long god unfortunately. Every once in a while there will be a hot Polish or Russian but the fact is that Eastern Europeans are not coming here. Maybe some Ukrainians will pop up with the war refugee population. All the clubs are mostly Cuban and Venezuelan now. Go to Industrial, Scores, Gold room, Carls, and All Stars and it is majority Cubans. HB is still mixed but is leaning towards majority Latinas.
For the person asking about extras, go to Black Jacks or Atlantis. One way north and the other way south. That's all got to say. You should find what your looking for.
I haven't been in many years. Actually when I drove the big blue bus out of rosemont there is a route that goes right by hb. On those audition days girls would get off the blue line come downstairs and get on my bus. They would ask where touhy and elmhurst was and of course I knew they were auditioning and wasn't going to mention the place unless they sat close and wanted convo. Mostly they were black I do recall. One occasion two girls came down and one was a cutie irish girl and the other can't recall, however may have been same, definitely was not black that I recall. Then a few weeks went by and I saw her again. She had the job and said that the other girl had a work permit that had expired and she went back. I think that might have been the hottie irish girl actually. Been 12 years. Have not been to blackjacks in years. Met the owner once there had to be early 2000's and I believe it was audition night. What little experience I have had clubbing like that just bouncing around with a few guys, tons of drama. Actually when I booked strippers in my business for private parties after I stopped I told guys look it's 90 % of my bs and 10 % of my business. If that turns around, call me! Stosh all I know. P.S. Yea it's all your mileage may vary. The girl does not want to get kicked out the club and if a guy is not cautious and does not know the way to play that game in that particular club, then I would suggest staying away. One does not want their vehicle windows busted out or paint finish keyed again way way too much drama on all sides in clubs.
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Originally Posted by StanleyStankas
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Hope all is well by you. Mostly since the weather has been so good hitting the fleas both in melrose and back of the yards. My club days are behind me as well. I believe it's been almost 20 years since I was in scores or a little less. Girls were very aggressive. I was with a guy that worked for me in my business and he got us comped in and everything and paid for drinks. Not really a drinker on this end as such. He bought me some time in the private area. It was ok at best. Nothing special. Mostly they are euros these days. Big time accents. My fond memories of clubs is where the girl sat down, didn't push for drinks and just hung out. If the vibe was right we went back to the back room and it was mostly just feeling each other up. Which for me was ok. I believe if I am going to drop big change I won't do it in a club. There is no set situation that anything is going to happen. If a reviewed and trusted escort gets paid she will deliver I believe so I am satisfied and gone. I do know though that hb is doing a decent business. I went by there early one afternoon on the way back from the bike trails (took the long way home) and cars were starting to come into the lot. Course I didn't realize they have slots and what not now. Been at least 30 years or more that I was in there. Used to book some of the dancers at bachelor and divorce parties in my business that worked there. Good to hear from you, ump. Stay well and satisfied, however stay safe. Oldman stosh.
A lot has changed in 20 years. The euro trash are long god unfortunately. Every once in a while there will be a hot Polish or Russian but the fact is that Eastern Europeans are not coming here. Maybe some Ukrainians will pop up with the war refugee population. All the clubs are mostly Cuban and Venezuelan now. Go to Industrial, Scores, Gold room, Carls, and All Stars and it is majority Cubans. HB is still mixed but is leaning towards majority Latinas.
For the person asking about extras, go to Black Jacks or Atlantis. One way north and the other way south. That's all got to say. You should find what your looking for.
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Not too shabby ump!
Originally Posted by Ump1969
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Hey. Stosh, long time no hear. How are things up by the big airport? I can't testify to being an expert on clubs. I don't frequent all that much and haven't been that successful when I have. I know mostly what I read in this forum. I know I am the shy type that is not forward. If experienced, the girls probably know who to approach that is going to wave cash at them and who is just window shopping. The cash is what it is all about. Club owners are nervous. They don't really care what the girls do except they don't want police raids and the loss of licenses and their businesses. They want at least a hint of sex because that's why guys frequent their clubs. In my experience, it has always varied from club to club how far the girls will go. There used to be clubs where the girls would take you to a backroom or bathroom to do the dirty. In others, the girls wouldn't even take off any clothes. The ones where one can get it all seem to be going away except for the high end ones where the clients use gold cards and business expense accounts. Have you ever been to the ones in Washington Park, down by St Louis? The girls make a point of hinting what you can get if you're willing to pay for it. Mostly, it's not worth what they charge in my view. We simply have too many morality police in this city and I'm not just talking LEO. But my days of having a girl grinding on me with fake smiles for $20 or $30 or more for two minutes are pretty much behind me. I don't even know what else you can get at clubs in this city any more.
Hope all is well by you. Mostly since the weather has been so good hitting the fleas both in melrose and back of the yards. My club days are behind me as well. I believe it's been almost 20 years since I was in scores or a little less. Girls were very aggressive. I was with a guy that worked for me in my business and he got us comped in and everything and paid for drinks. Not really a drinker on this end as such. He bought me some time in the private area. It was ok at best. Nothing special. Mostly they are euros these days. Big time accents. My fond memories of clubs is where the girl sat down, didn't push for drinks and just hung out. If the vibe was right we went back to the back room and it was mostly just feeling each other up. Which for me was ok. I believe if I am going to drop big change I won't do it in a club. There is no set situation that anything is going to happen. If a reviewed and trusted escort gets paid she will deliver I believe so I am satisfied and gone. I do know though that hb is doing a decent business. I went by there early one afternoon on the way back from the bike trails (took the long way home) and cars were starting to come into the lot. Course I didn't realize they have slots and what not now. Been at least 30 years or more that I was in there. Used to book some of the dancers at bachelor and divorce parties in my business that worked there. Good to hear from you, ump. Stay well and satisfied, however stay safe. Oldman stosh.
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Originally Posted by StanleyStankas
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Your personal mileage may very and a club has so much drama and bs in it anyway just go with the flow of the tide. It's a club that offers dancers to dance and guys to watch, drink and tip. Prostitution in the usa is an illegal activity except in a small county in nevada as far as I know. Think of not being a freight train rumbling through a quiet library. Kinda will get noticed.
Spot on, Stan.
Even in clubs where some of the club rules get broken now and then, if it happens, it happens quietly. The stripper handshake is a signal usually happens largely out of sight, for instance.
If you're not subtle, then yeah, stick to the AMPs.
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Originally Posted by Masalic
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I've never been, that's why I'm asking. And I've always had the subtlety of a wrecking ball. Beating around the Bush always got on my nerves. But this at least saves me some trouble.
Your post history suggests that maybe you over think everything. I don't think you are going to find any satisfaction in any of this unless you take a different approach to this hobby.
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Originally Posted by StanleyStankas
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Your personal mileage may very and a club has so much drama and bs in it anyway just go with the flow of the tide. It's a club that offers dancers to dance and guys to watch, drink and tip. Prostitution in the usa is an illegal activity except in a small county in nevada as far as I know. Think of not being a freight train rumbling through a quiet library. Kinda will get noticed.
Hey. Stosh, long time no hear. How are things up by the big airport? I can't testify to being an expert on clubs. I don't frequent all that much and haven't been that successful when I have. I know mostly what I read in this forum. I know I am the shy type that is not forward. If experienced, the girls probably know who to approach that is going to wave cash at them and who is just window shopping. The cash is what it is all about. Club owners are nervous. They don't really care what the girls do except they don't want police raids and the loss of licenses and their businesses. They want at least a hint of sex because that's why guys frequent their clubs. In my experience, it has always varied from club to club how far the girls will go. There used to be clubs where the girls would take you to a backroom or bathroom to do the dirty. In others, the girls wouldn't even take off any clothes. The ones where one can get it all seem to be going away except for the high end ones where the clients use gold cards and business expense accounts. Have you ever been to the ones in Washington Park, down by St Louis? The girls make a point of hinting what you can get if you're willing to pay for it. Mostly, it's not worth what they charge in my view. We simply have too many morality police in this city and I'm not just talking LEO. But my days of having a girl grinding on me with fake smiles for $20 or $30 or more for two minutes are pretty much behind me. I don't even know what else you can get at clubs in this city any more.
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Originally Posted by StanleyStankas
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Your personal mileage may very and a club has so much drama and bs in it anyway just go with the flow of the tide. It's a club that offers dancers to dance and guys to watch, drink and tip. Prostitution in the usa is an illegal activity except in a small county in nevada as far as I know. Think of not being a freight train rumbling through a quiet library. Kinda will get noticed.
That's kind of why I'm glad I live in Chicago where as far as I can tell the police do not care as long as actual traffiking isn't involved.
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Originally Posted by ChimilDetin
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If you're as subtle about trying to get extras in clubs as you are about asking about them in this post, I'd imagine you've been kicked out of a few clubs.
There are context clues if you read through past posts. Go through a few pages of them. Generally speaking, your odds improve the closer you get to Gary, but there are subtle variations by club and dancer and there's never any guarantee because she might have just liked the last guy better than you.
Just to hammer home the point: Work on your subtlety, both in trying to procure extras and discussing them if you find them. Let's not get the girls who do the things we like, or the clubs that allow the things we enjoy, in trouble. Let's not even assume they exist because, for the most part, they don't. The first rule of Fight Club is we don't talk about Fight Club.
Your personal mileage may very and a club has so much drama and bs in it anyway just go with the flow of the tide. It's a club that offers dancers to dance and guys to watch, drink and tip. Prostitution in the usa is an illegal activity except in a small county in nevada as far as I know. Think of not being a freight train rumbling through a quiet library. Kinda will get noticed.
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Originally Posted by ChimilDetin
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If you're as subtle about trying to get extras in clubs as you are about asking about them in this post, I'd imagine you've been kicked out of a few clubs.
There are context clues if you read through past posts. Go through a few pages of them. Generally speaking, your odds improve the closer you get to Gary, but there are subtle variations by club and dancer and there's never any guarantee because she might have just liked the last guy better than you.
Just to hammer home the point: Work on your subtlety, both in trying to procure extras and discussing them if you find them. Let's not get the girls who do the things we like, or the clubs that allow the things we enjoy, in trouble. Let's not even assume they exist because, for the most part, they don't. The first rule of Fight Club is we don't talk about Fight Club.
I've never been, that's why I'm asking. And I've always had the subtlety of a wrecking ball. Beating around the Bush always got on my nerves. But this at least saves me some trouble.
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Originally Posted by Masalic
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So are there any strip clubs known for giving out "Extras" or am I better off just going to an AMP / AAMP for that?
If you're as subtle about trying to get extras in clubs as you are about asking about them in this post, I'd imagine you've been kicked out of a few clubs.
There are context clues if you read through past posts. Go through a few pages of them. Generally speaking, your odds improve the closer you get to Gary, but there are subtle variations by club and dancer and there's never any guarantee because she might have just liked the last guy better than you.
Just to hammer home the point: Work on your subtlety, both in trying to procure extras and discussing them if you find them. Let's not get the girls who do the things we like, or the clubs that allow the things we enjoy, in trouble. Let's not even assume they exist because, for the most part, they don't. The first rule of Fight Club is we don't talk about Fight Club.
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