Ripoff Reports

[Cmhmonger]

Whomever posted the advice about threatening to drive them to the police station when they won't get out of the car, thanks for the great advice. It worked like a charm.

Glad it worked better for you than it did for me.

[BigHardOne]

I was out and about last Thursday doing the loop on the west side. I spotted what looked like a decent girl in front of the Burger King on Broad St. I pull up onto the lot and pick her up. Says her name is Michelle. She then tells me to hurry up and drive off so the police don't see us. I start driving and all of a sudden she goes on this rant about George Bush stealing a billion dollars from her family out of Jamaica. Well, deciding that I didn't want this drama and didn't want to deal with what appeared to be a bi polar disorder, I try to let her out. She refuses unless I give her money. This is where it got interesting. I remember this discussion coming up on the board a few times with this kind of situation. I remember a few of the ideas mentioned and thought I woiuld try one that I thought was good. So, I tell her to get out or I would drive to the police station. She says go ahead. I will just tell the cops you were trying to pick me up for prostitution and you will get arrested. I said. Alright, let's go then. By this time I am going up Whitethorn towards Sullivant. She is really going off now with threats but I actually senced this more as fear because it got worse and worse as I got closer to the police station. As soon as I get to Sullivant she gives in and just says, ok, let me out. And off she goes.

I took some time to think about this and couldn't decide if she actually had mental problems, was playing a head game to blackmail me, or both.

Either way, avoid this girl like the plague. She appears to be psycho. She had black hair. Part of the side of her head was shaved. She was white, weighed about 175 pounds, and was about 30 years old. She said her name was Michelle.

Whomever posted the advice about threatening to drive them to the police station when they won't get out of the car, thanks for the great advice. It worked like a charm.

[TwoHalfMen]

http://columbus.backpage.com/FemaleE...ess-24/6751286

Definitely avoid her she's a total rip-off. All she does is a strip tease in front of you and upsells. No touching allowed.

[TheDawg]

Kim doing incall and outcall all night
Hey guys I'm Kim call me for some room service! I'm available anytime after 6pm. These are my real pictures!
(614)xxx-6083
• Location: Columbus

http://columbus.backpage.com/FemaleE...-night/3014557

This is a take the “cash and dash” operation.

Usually in a cheap Northside motel such as the Continent Inn.

She finds an excuse to take her money out to the driver, and does not come back.

The narrow waisted girl in the picture is not the person who shows up. She is at least 50 pounds heavier Asks for a large tip upfront.

The second picture was added to the ad recently and is labeled "Angela"

The driver – very confrontational, insulting and in your face. Way too much bravery for an unarmed man. After Kim dashes out of the room, he calls and says that the police have showed up and you had better get out of there. Right.

When this girl showed up at the motel, she was speaking to a couple other girls. So there are probably several of these scammers operating from this motel.

[BigHardOne]

I used to post this in the CL Erotic section but CL won't let me post it anymore. I used to be a good friend with someone who worked for one of these agencies. He use to tell me all the stories. we had a falling out so I thought I would share all of the secrets of these agencies. Anyway, here was the final version;

This is the post that many of the Escorts and Escort Agencies in Central Ohio DON'T want you to see.

Many of the posts by girls here are misleading. They want you to believe you are getting full service when in reality, they only offer a dance and/or mutual masturbation. When this post does get flagged, that means the scammers are actively posting at that time.

If you ask for FULL SERVICE, they will say, “Yes, I’m full service“. What they don’t tell you is that their idea of full service consists of you masturbating yourself to completion. After you get ripped off, you might ask the girl "I thought this was full service"? They will tell you that the legal definition in Ohio for Full Service includes mutual masturbation. That is a lie. Their is NO legal definition of "Full Service" in the Ohio Revised Code.

This is how it works:

You agree to meet the girl. She will likely show up with a driver. She will ask for $130 to $200 up front. If you make the mistake of paying this, you might as well say goodbye to it. The driver will take the money to the car and usually wait. From here, the girl will tell you that the money you just paid is for the driver, agency, or a show up fee. She will now tell you that she only works on tips. You now have to negotiate a price to have the girl continue. This will range from $200 to $300. If you pay her, you are now about to learn about the term “Full Service” from her terminology. She will likely only offer to strip and conduct mutual masturbation. You WILL NOT be allowed to touch her and she WILL NOT touch you.. Once you figure this out, you might ask for a refund. It is likely she will tell you there are no refunds. Though, there is a slim chance she will refund your second payment, you are definitely not getting your first payment returned. She will likely leave and
you are out anywhere from $130 to $500. If she does conduct a strip or mutual masturbation, there is no refund what so ever, guaranteed.

How to deal with this:

1. If a driver or second person shows up, you are about to get ripped off.... GUARANTEED!
Do not answer the door if they come to you. You need to watch and see if she comes with someone. If the girl that shows up is not the girl pictured, it is very likely a SCAM. If a non pictured girl shows up with a driver, you might as well write off any money you give up.

2. IF you have the confrontation with the driver and the girl, make an excuse to cancel. At this point, the driver will tell you there is a cancellation fee. It usually ranges from $100 to $150. Hopefully, you have not let them into your room. They will try to come into your room prior to conversation because when the confrontation happens, you will feel more intimidated to give up the money. Remember, your room is your safe haven until they are inside. If you are in a situation where you can’t avoid the confrontation, refuse to pay the money. If you are bigger then the driver, they will likely leave. If not, immediately have your cell-phone readily available and tell them that you will call the police and the police can resolve it when they get here. Though, this is something you won’t likely want to do, I can assure you, they don’t want to confront the police anymore then you do. They will likely leave at this point. Trust me, you don’t owe them a cent.

3. Watch out for the scenario where the girl shows up and asks for the money up front. After you pay her, she will open the door and hand the money to a driver who is now outside of your door that you didn’t see the first time. If this happens, you may as well say goodbye to that money and get ready for the second round of negotiations to start all over again. Once again, you are about to get ripped off. If a girl shows up and you let her inside and asks for the money up front, open the door and see if anyone is standing outside the door. If not, the driver may be waiting in the car. Know the cars in the parking lot prior to the girl arriving. This way you can spot the driver more easily. The girl may insist on taking the first payment out to the car. If this happens, you are about to once again get ripped off. She will take it to the driver. If she does go to the car and give the money to a driver, get ready for a second round of negotiations IF she returns.

4. They will say whatever is necessary to get the initial payment from you. Once you have given up that money, they don’t care anymore, they got what they wanted and can and will leave at anytime they want. Anything else they get from your wallet is just a bonus now for the girl and the driver. Once they have your initial payment, they know you aren’t going to call the police. They can do as they please and they know it.

5. In some cases, the girl will agree to meet you at a hotel before anyone has a room. Sit in your car and wait. Prior to her showing, ask what kind of vehicle she is coming in. If she comes with a driver, simply drive away. If they ask what you are driving, be vague. Once again, if you are foolish enough to make contact, they will ask for the initial payment up front using the excuse that they have to pay for the room. Whatever you give them, say goodbye to it and be ready for the second round of negotiations.

6. Incall/Outcall- It does not matter if the girls are incall or outcall. The escort agencies and girls use both. Once they have scammed one guy, they have full use of the hotel room for the rest of the day and night. Once they have the room, they offer incall. If you schedule with a scammer, it usually works like this; The girl will tell you to go to an area close by and then call her back. Once you do that, she may direct you closer to call back or just give you the actual location. When you do this, drive the parking lot and check out all of the cars closely. Usually, the girls will have a driver waiting in his car in the same parking lot. If you see this, just drive off. You are about to get ripped-off. If you do go into the room, negotiate exactly what you are getting. Make her say it. If she refuses to discuss the details, LEAVE! You are about to get ripped-off. If you do give up the initial payment and she wants to take it out to a car, you are about to get ripped off.
She will either leave or come back after leaving the money with the driver. At this point, you have lost your initial payment and are on your way to the second round of negotiations. The most common hotels that are used by the escort agencies for incall are the hotels on E161 close to I71. They also use the hotels behind the Continent (Zumstein Dr.). They also use the hotels off of Brice Rd. North and South of I70. The last common area they use are the hotels off of High St. (Rt. 23) north of I270.

7. Prior to meeting with a girl and her likely driver, you have to call the phone number they give you. Just be direct with them. Ask them if this is mutual masturbation and/or a dance ONLY. If they are a licensed agency/business, they might tell you the truth but it is unlikely. Another common response is "I can't discuss that over the phone". If they won't discuss it, you are about to get ripped off. Just to be sure, ask if there will be a driver. If they say “Yes“, just hang up. You are about to get ripped-off. One common quote they love to make is “I promise you won’t be disappointed“. Don’t be tricked. This quote means nothing and you will be disappointed.

8. A very high percentage of ads in the “Columbus Dispatch“ and “The Other Paper” are exactly what we have discussed above. ALL of the phonebook ads under “Escorts” listing agencies are as listed above. In addition, most of the girls ads in the Dispatch and Other Paper are actually ads from escort agencies listed in the phone book. The agencies have several phone numbers they use that all ring to the same phone and answered by the same operators. They change numbers like you change pants every morning. They change numbers because they know guys won’t call the same number that is known as a rip-off number.

9. As you may already know, there are open businesses that you are aware of (You can find there ads in the Dispatch sports section) in which these businesses offer mutual masturbation. At least one of these businesses are responsible for sending girls your way with a driver also. Remember, they have several phone lines also.

10. Remember, they want you to believe they are doing something illegal. It’s a game of words. An example of this is an ad that says "this is not an offer of prostitution". This is reverse psychology. They think if they post this that you will believe it is prostitution. This is probably the only time in reality that they aren't lying (This only applies to CL). For other reverse psychology phrases, see rules 7 and 11.

11. If you have made the mistake of paying the driver and the secondary costs to the girl, she will continue to tell you that "The more you pay, the more you get". Though, she won't tell you how much more no matter what. She will just continue to get you to try to pay more and more. The more you pay, the more you will lose and the simple fact is, you will never get to touch her and she won't touch you no matter how much you pay.

12. If the service advertises a rate for a half hour or you are offered a 30 minute rate, it's very likely to be mutual masturbation (DIY).

13. As you read this, remember, the local escort agencies and DIY scammers are reading this also. They are changing there tactics in advertising on CL in hopes that you won't distinguish them from a legitimate provider. You have to use common sense. Think with the big head and not the little fireman. If the ad seems to good to be true, it is. Hot women do not suddenly show up in Columbus and just start advertising on CL.

14. One way to spot a scammer is to keep a running list of phone numbers of suspicious ads. Eventually, you will find the same phone numbers listed in multiple ads for different girls. I know, I told you earlier that they change numbers like you change your pants every morning. They do change there numbers frequently, but they also use a number long enough until they feel it is no longer of any use to them. In addition, compare numbers you get on CL to phone numbers listed in the "Dispatch" and "The Other Paper". When you find a match, compare the ads. The comparison should raise a red flag.

15. If you do meet one of these girls and get burned. Remember, you are angry at the girl(s), driver, and the agency. The best revenge you can put on them is to take money out of there pocket by reporting which CL ads are a SCAM. Give as much detailed information as possible to include the phone number in the ad, a description of the girl(s), driver, and the vehicle he/she is driving. CL is anonymous so there is no fear of embarrassment. DO NOT report legitimate providers as scams. It only defeats the purpose of our goals. If you have a personal problem with a legitimate provider, take it to "Rants and Raves".

16. You should NEVER invite these people over to your home or apartment. (Hypothetical) The girl and driver shows up. You see the red flags and cancel. If you refuse to pay the cancellation fee, they WILL intentionally make a scene in front of your residence waking up or getting the attention of your neighbors. They do this in an attempt to embarrass you into paying them. This is the best case scenario. Use your imagination and you should come up with many other possible bad scenarios or crimes that could result from this. Just ask yourself, do you really want these people to know where you live?

17. WHERE THE MONEY GOES - The initial payment mostly goes to the agency. The second round of negotiations goes to the girl (Second round of negotiations usually start at about $200 to $300). The driver gets a percentage of the take from the second round of negotiations and possibly gets a small cut of the initial costs.

18. Recently some of the scammers have began to post ads without pictures. They are requesting that you e-mail them first before you receive a picture. They are doing this because the guys are catching on to the scammers ads and flagging them. Lets use common sense, why won't they post them in the ad but instead e-mail them? Use common sense. Also, refer to rule #13.

19. On 6-25-2007, A male by the name of Mike responded to this post claiming that he would offer drivers services to girls, Craigslist posting number 360084157. In the post he seemed concerned with the reputation of drivers and the girls safety. He offered to be a driver for the girls and would not accept additional money from the girls. In addition he said he would be there to make sure nobody got ripped-off, scammed, or hurt. He said this was a new idea so that the driver isn't always a bad thing. With this, I contacted Mike pretending to be a local Escort Agency. I offered Mike a job with certain conditions and an understanding of what the job entailed. I told Mike; 1. He would pick up the girls and take them to meet upscale gentlemen. 2. Once the lady is paid, he would hold the money until the lady returns. 3. Under no circumstances, would he give a refund to the gentleman. 4. He would be responsible for collecting a $150 cancellation fee. 5. He would be paid $10 per customer and 20% of additional monies after the initial fee collected by the lady. 6. Oh yea, and the services offered only by the female are DIY (Mutual Masturbation). Mike gladly accepted the job offer knowing all of the above. Mike knew he was advertising his services fraudulently with every intention of becoming part of the scam. This clearly makes my point as stated above. If there is a driver, it is a SCAM! Thanks for your help Mike. By the way, I did save the electronic paper trail so you couldn't deny it later.

20. This post will not last very long. Let's do everyone a favor and work together on this one. Copy and paste this post to your hard drive. When you notice that the post has been flagged and deleted from CL, re-post it. Everyone has a right to know about this ongoing scam. If enough people know about this, the rip-off artists will stop posting here.

21. I have received requests from people asking for a recommended provider or asking if a specific post is a scam. I do not respond to these e-mails. The most common question is "I called this girl who posted and she sounded really nice over the phone". How is she supposed to sound that shows her as a scam? If you are asking this type of question, you are thinking with the little fireman. The goal of these posts is to show you how to deal with the confrontation of a suspected scam. If I provided information on legitimate providers, it would delegitimize this post as a whole and would show a personal agenda. This post shows you how to pick out legitimate posts and how to pick up the signs of a suspected scam. If you simply memorize these simple rules, it is unlikely you are going to get ripped-off. There are guys out there who actually believe it is worth spending up to $1000 to have a female watch him jack off. This post does not apply to these guys. It applies to guys who are looking for more then jacking themselves off and avoiding girls who mislead them into believing they will get more then mutual masturbation.


22. If you have had an experience with a scammer that has not been addressed in the above rules and may be helpful, please e-mail me the bad experience for possible inclusion of the rules.

[Booner]

BHO, I totally agree with you, I had a driver show up & was assured by the girl that it was ok. But like you said once the $ left the room, negotiated for more & then it was just total DIY. I will never ever use the Dispatch again.

[Cleveland Report]

Thank you for the enlightening and useful advice. Very informative.

[The A Man]

Great words of advice! I have avoided outcall for the fear of exactly what you describe above. The CL does have some gems in there but for the most part the posts are generally spam. I used the same advice given here for those starting out looking for girls on the street- read the posts every day for several months and then I would either ask for reviews or follow up with the poster of a review. Over time it becomes apparent who is shady and who is legit. An interesting trend I have found is that the older the girl the less chance they are BS'n around and seem to give th best service.

[BigHardOne]

Many of the posts by girls in the Columbus Dispatch, The other Paper, CL, and escort agencies in the phone book are misleading. They want you to believe you are getting full service when in reality, they only offer a dance and mutual masturbation.

If you ask for FULL SERVICE, they will say “Yes, I’m full service”. What they don’t tell you is that there idea of full service consists of you masturbating yourself to completion.

This is how it works;

You agree to meet the girl. She will likely show up with a driver. She will ask for $130 to $200 up front. If you make the mistake of paying this, you might as well say goodbye to it. The driver will take the money to the car and usually wait. From here, the girl will tell you that the money you just paid is for the driver, agency, or a show up fee. she will now tell you that she only works on tips. You now have to negotiate a price to have the girl continue. This will range from $125 to $300. If you pay her, you are now about to learn about the term “Full Service” from her terminology. She will likely only offer to strip and conduct mutual masturbation. You WILL NOT be allowed to touch her. Once you figure this out, you might ask for a refund. It is likely she will tell you there are no refunds. Though, she may refund your second payment, you are definitely not getting your first payment returned. She will likely leave and you are out anywhere from $125 to $500. If she does conduct a strip or mutual masturbation, there is no refund what so ever.

How to deal with this:

1. If a driver or second person shows up, you are about to get ripped off....GUARANTEED!
Do not answer the door if they come to you. You need to watch and see if she comes with someone.

2. IF you have the confrontation with the driver and the girl, make an excuse to cancel. At this point, the driver will tell you there is a cancellation fee. It usually ranges from $100 to $150. Hopefully, you have not let them into your room. They will try to come into your room prior to conversation because when the confrontation happens, you will feel more intimidated to give up the money. Remember, your room is your safe haven until they are inside. If you are in a situation where you can’t avoid the confrontation, refuse to pay the money. If you are bigger then the driver, they will likely leave. If not, immediately have your cell-phone readily available and tell them that you will call the police and the police can resolve it when they get here. Though, this is something you won’t likely want to do, I can assure you, they don’t want to confront the police anymore then you do. They will likely leave at this point. Trust me, you don’t owe them a cent.

3. Watch out for the scenario where the girl shows up and asked for the money up front. After you pay her, she will open the door and hand the money to a driver who is now outside of your door that you didn’t see the first time. If this happens, you may as well say goodbye to that money and the new negotiations start all over again. Once again, you are about to get ripped off. If a girl shows up and you let her inside and asks for the money up front, open the door and see if anyone is standing outside the door. If not, the driver may be waiting in the car. Know the cars in the parking lot prior to the girl arriving. This way you can spot the driver more easily. The girl may insist on taking the first payment out to the car. If this happens, you are about to once again get ripped off. She will take it to the driver and return or she just might leave. If she does go to the car and give the money to a driver, get ready for new negotiations if she returns.

4. They will say whatever is necessary to get the initial payment from you. Once you have given up that money, they don’t care anymore, they got what they wanted and can and will leave at anytime they want. Anything else they get from your wallet is just a bonus now. Once they have your initial payment, they know you aren’t going to call the police. They can do as they please and they know it.

5. In some cases, the girl will agree to meet you at a hotel before anyone has a room. Sit in your car and wait. Prior to her showing, ask what kind of vehicle she is coming in. If she comes with a driver, simply drive away. If they ask what you are driving, be vague. Once again, if you are foolish enough to make contact, they will ask for the initial payment up front using the excuse that they have to pay for the room. Whatever you give them, say goodbye to it and be ready for the next round of negotiations.

6. Prior to meeting with a girl and her likely driver, you have to call the phone number they give you. Just be direct with them. Ask them if this is mutual masturbation and/or a dance ONLY. If they are a licensed agency/business, they will likely tell you the truth. Just to be sure, ask if there will be a driver. If they say “Yes”, just hang up. You are about to get ripped-off. One common quote they love to make is “I promise you won’t be disappointed”. Don’t be tricked. This quote means nothing and you will be disappointed.

7. A very high percentage of ads in the “Columbus Dispatch” and “The Other paper” are exactly what we have discussed above. ALL of the phonebook ads under “Escorts” listing agencies are as listed above. In addition, most of the girls ads in the Dispatch and Other Paper are actually ads from escort agencies listed in the phone book. The agencies have several phone numbers they use that all ring to the same phone and answered by the same operators. They change numbers like you change pants every morning. They change numbers because they know guys won’t call the same number that is known as a rip-off number.

8. As you may already know, there are open businesses that you are aware of (You can find there ads in the “Dispatch” sports section) in which these businesses offer mutual masturbation. These businesses are responsible for sending girls your way with a driver also. Remember, they have several phone lines also.

9. Remember, they want you to believe they are doing something illegal. It’s a game of words.

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