Legal Questions

[Nitescape]

"California Supreme Court Overturns Car Seizure Ordinance
The California Supreme Court says cities may no longer seize automobiles from people merely accused of a crime."

(http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/18/1883.asp )

The police can only impound a car for 48 hours. LA ended this ridiculous practice 2 years ago.

Thank goodness for ending this fascist practice!

[Nitescape]

#1 Didn't there, just recently, used to be a "LEGAL" section of the forums here?

I seem to recall a few officers, and a few lawyers, providing some good legal tips and counsel, and then that stuff being delegated to a separate room.

What happened?

#2 Want to ask the most basic of questions.

If I call up an escort on CL (for example), and it is really an LE sting. Will I be arrested just for showing up?

Does there have to be some specific discussion, regarding paying for sex?

I want to know the particulars of the law on this.

From my amateur point of view, it's just as many of the girls state in their ad.

"money exchanged is for time spent together. Any sexual activities that occurs is simply the mutual decision of two consenting adults"

Is it really possible to PROVE otherwise, unless you are caught on tape, verbalizing the exchange of money for sex?

Thanks for your help

If you're wondering what might have brought this question on, it's because I've seen an incredible looking girl on CL, and was thinking of a possible TOFTT adventure, but then I thought twice, thinking it is a possible sting.

[Hargow20]

"California Supreme Court Overturns Car Seizure Ordinance
The California Supreme Court says cities may no longer seize automobiles from people merely accused of a crime."
(http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/18/1883.asp )

The police can only impound a car for 48 hours. LA ended this ridiculous practice 2 years ago.

[Titman]

What kind of deal are you talking about?

A deal with the lienholder to pay less than the full balance owing.

[Woodrow]

Yes, but most states require the cops to notify the lienholder so sometimes you can work out a deal thru them.

What kind of deal are you talking about?

[Titman]

Not for purposes of car seizure. Theoretically the police don't even have to cite or charge you to confiscate your car, although almost every judge would probably simply ask the prosecutor to dismiss the hearing if this were the case.

Four or five years ago the Supreme Court set the bar pretty high. The ACLU picked the most sympathetic case they could find--A wife had her car seized because her husband was out mongering. SCOTUS told her to fuck off, it was too bad.

You are still on the hook for the balance of the lease/loan.

Yes, but most states require the cops to notify the lienholder so sometimes you can work out a deal thru them.

[Speck]

Welcome to the world of politics mi amigo! Annoying isn't it?

Okay, my question is about car seizures. At what point can LE take your car? I mean, if you get pulled over just for talking to a girl, can they nab your ride, even though they have to prove intent?

Yes, and they don't have to prove intent in the classic criminal sense where the standard is "Beyond a reasonable doubt". The car seizure is a civil action and therefore they only have to prove it by the standard "prepordernace of evidence". What that means is that the judge will weigh the evidence and if it comes up 51/49 in favor of the prosecuting agency, your car is taken.

Seems unconstitutional since our laws claim that we're presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Not for purposes of car seizure. Theoretically the police don't even have to cite or charge you to confiscate your car, although almost every judge would probably simply ask the prosecutor to dismiss the hearing if this were the case.

They cliam that they auction your car off, but what if the finance/lease company still holds the note?

You are still on the hook for the balance of the lease/loan.

[Epoch]

HOV lanes are great.

Quitcher jealous bitchin and car pool or buy a motorcycle or a prius.

[PsyberZombie]

This is my #1 pet peeve. HOV lanes are a bunch of bullshit.....

Two points on this subject =

► If Dog Forbid you ever get stopped by LE after picking up a SW , tell the nice officer
that you just wanted the girl in your car so you could use the HOV Lane . Stick with that
story if you still get arrested . This is known legally as an "affirmative defense"

► Beat The System = If you need to use the HOV lane on a daily basis , buy
an adjustable mannequin with a finished face to be your passenger . Dress the top of
the mannequin in a long sleeve shirt . Put a baseball cap on the mannequin's head and
turn 'his' head slightly inward like he's listening to the radio ... and you are Good to Go !!!

A friend of mine in Florida has been doing this for years and says it's saved him *thousands*
of hours of commuting time [ we don't have HOVLs in my home state — Rhode Island —
or I'd do this myself ]

You can get a mannequin for as little as $ 99 if you search the web .
If yer too lazy to do that , Start HERE

[B Malibu]

This is my #1 pet peeve. HOV lanes are a bunch of bullshit. All they do is make traffic worse. We'd all be better of not having them and just having an extra lane (or two in some cases) to be used by all cars. It's fucking Hippy tree-hugger vegetarian bureaucrats that enacted these HOV lanes. And the construction companies that went along with the stupid ideas just to generate more useless work for them.

Welcome to the world of politics mi amigo! Annoying isn't it?

Okay, my question is about car seizures. At what point can LE take your car? I mean, if you get pulled over just for talking to a girl, can they nab your ride, even though they have to prove intent? Seems unconstitutional since our laws claim that we're presumed innocent until proven guilty. They cliam that they auction your car off, but what if the finance/lease company still holds the note? So many questions come to mind here on this issue.

I see this topic come up all the time, but nobody seems to know for sure what proper protocal is? I see a lot of educated guesses, and that only confuses me more.

Spanks!

[JeffTheDrunk]

That and the carpool lanes, I want to sue the state to allow all traffic in the lanes, after all everyone pays the registration, Fuel tax, and state tax, as well as has to pay back the bond money, therefore everyone has a right to use them?

That and the fact they don't do shit to improve traffic.

This is my #1 pet peeve. HOV lanes are a bunch of bullshit. All they do is make traffic worse. We'd all be better of not having them and just having an extra lane (or two in some cases) to be used by all cars. It's fucking Hippy tree-hugger vegetarian bureaucrats that enacted these HOV lanes. And the construction companies that went along with the stupid ideas just to generate more useless work for them.

[Ampfinder]

Well I will help out anyway I can...
I know of my fellow mongers have family law issues. Others criminal. Crim I am not a big specialist though. I am close to a law library and try to read up as much as I can.

Help How? I would personally like to see some one challenge the intent to solicit charges myself, Basically there saying they know your motive for being on a street corner? I really belive if a Reverse undercover sting was set-up and documented, showing a girl just standing on a corner waving at cars, and was ticketed for it, and fought the LAPD would be forced to change there ways.

That and the carpool lanes, I want to sue the state to allow all traffic in the lanes, after all everyone pays the registration, Fuel tax, and state tax, as well as has to pay back the bond money, therefore everyone has a right to use them?

That and the fact they don't do shit to improve traffic.

Anyways any help is always appreciated ampfinder thanks for the offer!

[Webcams]

Hey guys. FYI, I have some legal resources and I want to help. I know that a lot have issues. I am pretty busy but Ill help out as much as I can. Particulary to the Senior, Seniors (i.e. those that have really shared). Thanks. And please other members should chime in anytime.

Help How? I would personally like to see some one challenge the intent to solicit charges myself, Basically there saying they know your motive for being on a street corner? I really belive if a Reverse undercover sting was set-up and documented, showing a girl just standing on a corner waving at cars, and was ticketed for it, and fought the LAPD would be forced to change there ways.

That and the carpool lanes, I want to sue the state to allow all traffic in the lanes, after all everyone pays the registration, Fuel tax, and state tax, as well as has to pay back the bond money, therefore everyone has a right to use them?

That and the fact they don't do shit to improve traffic.

Anyways any help is always appreciated ampfinder thanks for the offer!

[Ampfinder]

Hey guys. FYI, I have some legal resources and I want to help. I know that a lot have issues. I am pretty busy but Ill help out as much as I can. Particulary to the Senior, Seniors (i.e. those that have really shared). Thanks. And please other members should chime in anytime.