Lingerie Shops

[Dan Smith 69]

I'm thinking Lingerie shops are, while not a blatent rip off, not a good value. For what it's worth, I just don't see the attraction at the Studios..... But that's just me.

Being a member of the lower class on this board-- you know, the proverbial NON-SR member type, this post should carry the weight it deserves. One man's opinion.

I remember reading a post a while back wherein one of our illustrious "senior members" (NOT horn dog too, btw) described a streetwalker he had invested $40 in as being one of the hottest women he had ever encountered. While I will not argue with his characterization, I am willing to wager that said "senior member" and I have very different tastes when it comes to women. Me describing a streetwalker on nebraska avenue as one of the "hottest" women I've ever encountered would only apply if she happened to have caught her hair on fire while lighting her crack pipe. For some here, streetwalkers are way of life. For me, I'll pass thank you very much.

Likewise, for some, "shops" are not their thing. They are viewed as too pricey or fall short in the areas of service expected, etc. Fair enough. But value, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. Back before the advent of the internet all I knew about call girls was what I saw in the movies or read in the newspaper. I stumbled my way into this "hobby" by way of a "shop". I had low expectations going in but enjoyed it nontheless. My job made me leery of calling on escorts through a service and "independents" were non-existant at least as far as I knew then. Even now, the screening process gives me serious pause. I visited a few different places over time and found a couple of girls that I enjoyed seeing. FS was not something I sought nor expected then and I got what I was looking for. My general experience with "shops" is that familiarity gives the girls a comfort level that allows a natural progression of enhanced service. It also will open the door to off campus meetings that let your now lady "friend" keep all of the gift you provide. And I must confess, being rather naive about such matters then, there was something exciting about the "seediness" of walking in to such an illicit place and checking out the lineup of the ladies-finding someone there who sparked my fancy or turning around and leaving without repurcussion when such was not the case. No one knew my name and no one cared.

My hobby activity has slowed in recent years, mainly due to on again off again relationships. But one lady I do continue to regularly "entertain" is one I met years ago in a shop. We all have our own particular peccadillos when it comes to this hobby. The anonymity of a relatively safe shop environment does have an appeal.

As to the whole value question, I've had many good and some not so good experiences. But then I could say the same about women in general--LOL. I will readily concede that if you're a bargain shopper, lingerie modeling places may not be for you. But for some of us, money is not the overriding factor it appears to be for others. For me, for a variety of reasons, the shops I frequented in the past met my needs at the time- it was of value to me and I suspect to others as well.

[Logi17]

I know I am not a SR. Member and I don't have a lot of posts. And my experience with Club 7315 is a few months old. Again you have too much YMMV with anyone you see. Shops are great if you are driving by and just have the urge you can jump in and out without too much time lost or money lost.

My first Club 72315 experience with Lexi was door fee of $40. 00 and then I gave her tip of a little over $ and got a nice cbj.

Next visit the following week, she remembered me and waived the door fee. So I gave her a little under $$ and started out with cbj and she asked for more $$ told her that was all I had and she hopped on my covered stick and rode me good. It was early morning both times around 7am.

My last two experiences at Executive were almost identical. Early am before 8; first time was with a latino that spoke nearly no english. Gave her door fee and very little over $ and she had no covers and let me roam all around. Finished with cum on tits.

2nd experience was with Brianna L. Coxx. Only had a very little over $ and got lots of playing around and Russian.

Both were good times.

Same thing in Clearwater at Fantasy in Lingerie. Have had 2 that did nothing but dance. And 2 that gave aggressive HJ's one less than $ and one a little over $.

[R Consultant]

Chase you are the Man....... That's the best example of ascertain of these posts and existence of information. You did go through and access material facts which does completely substantiate what was originally discussed.

Chase has ruled and that's the bottom lime. I would gather my wits together to predict an uncooperative party is precluded from denying or contradicting the matters that have been readily posted for their consumption.

The End..

Happy Hunting..

Once again RConsultant has a valid point. Let's follow this chain of posts from its REAL source:So this whole chain started from a 1st hand account by Horn Dog Too (ie on something he DID know something about) who, BTW, also happens to be a Sr. Member with 120 posts to his credit. In that post he described what could only be described as an EXTREMELY poor value session he got at Holly's shop, a story she has yet to dispute.

R Consultant, perhaps the most Sr. and respected of members here, responded to that post with his opinion, based on a long term personal relationship with a girl who worked in such places, that Lingerie shops in GENERAL are basically Jack Shacks where you always get jacked for your money and usually also wind up having to jack yourself unless you have the small fortune it takes to get the EXTRA service. Okay, he did generalize them ALL to be SELF-service and HD2 did get his 7315 girl Camille to provide him with a Russian/HJ (for $140, woohoo!!!), but his larger point was that, in his opinion which I happen to share, ALL of the places (including 7315) are EXTREMELY poor values.

Then G Money Cool weighs in. He's not a Sr. Member but he does have nearly 100 posts, some offering just his opinion, like we ALL often do on this DISCUSSION boards, but also many with informative 1st hand information. BTW, NOWHERE in his post did he even allude to know Holly/Club7315's thoughts or intentions. What he did do was add to RC's comment that Holly "advertises" on the TEV blog. Apparently, a FACT. Holly/Club7315 complains that GMC is just offering his opinion on something he has no information on but is she disputing that she now has a prominent presence on that blogsite? Add to that what we ALL know about what it often takes to get any favorable treatment on that site by its owner. Another FACT based on numerous reports by other providers. Put those facts together and GMC's insinuation, that Club7315's favorable reviews on that blog are solely a reflection of heavily discounted sessions or freebies or even possibly cash compensation that she is providing to that scum, seems like a perfectly reasonable opinion to offer. Or are we to believe that a business operation that has many paid advertisements elsewhere and numerous girls that are all suddenly getting favorable reviews was the ONE entity that the TEV blogger didn't shake down for compensation (and get it)?

But that wasn't even his main point. He concluded with the parallel observation that another INDEPENDENT provider was put down by that same blog site for having a "shop girl mentality". Again, Holly/Club7315 in her critique of GMC did not dispute that FACT either. Finally, GMC concludes that extolling the virtues of one set of girls who actually WORK IN A SHOP and reportedly practice the same typical "shop girl" UPSELL techniques, while panning another girl for ALLEGEDLY doing the very same thing is incredibly hypocritical and is just another example of why we can't really put much stock in ANYTHING this guy says. In other words, GMC's post wasn't even primarily about that particular shop or even about the independent girl with the supposedly "shop girl mentality". It was an attack on Josh that clearly and fairly laid out its basis.

To the extent it also denigrated "poor Holly" and her place of business, I can only say "well, boohoo". As I've said before, if you lay down with dogs, then don't complain if you get fleas. Holly seems to think that just because she can afford to place a lot of ads in such magazines as Night Moves that we should regard her as a well managed and reputable business. And perhaps it is well-managed to the extent it is making lots of money for Holly. However, those of us who have been practicing this hobby here in Tampa for any length of time know that many if not most of the ads in such magazines are for overpriced if not out and out rip-off clubs, agencies and a few independents, who can only afford the high advertising rates because of the high rates they pass on to their customers.

For all her crying about her unfair treatment on this board, she has yet to dispute that what her girls demand for their limited service AFTER their customer lays down his 1st $40 VASTLY exceeds the typical rates for most escorts in this area. And being in a high traffic fixed location also subjects those customers to arguably as great or greater legal or personal risk (based on the reports of police stakeouts and at least one guy who was stopped by police after leaving her business and being reported by them to his wife, YIKES!!! I'd rather just be arrested.)

IMHO, this place's association with a shady operation like the TEV blogsite (an association we don't want to reward) is just icing on the cake. Add to that the fact that, like all such places, you have to pay a small fortune to get anything more than a do-it-yourself HJ and that, like all such places, you are no more safe, and perhaps much less safe, from a legal or personal risk standpoint than taking your chances with much more reliably reviewed CL girls. Based on all that, you won't find me trying out this place. But then that's just me "vomitting" my opinion on a topic I probably have no real information on.

[Chase Star]

Once again RConsultant has a valid point. Let's follow this chain of posts from its REAL source:

I'm thinking Lingerie shops are, while not a blatent rip off, not a good value. Ie not a lot of bang for a lot of bucks. After my experience at the spa in Hudson, and the 7315 Armenia studio, I am not a fan of "Pre Tipping" Last night after busting out at the Hard Rock, I was in need of a woman. In the Night Moves magazine an ad for 7315 Lingerie modeling caught my eye so after a fruitless cruise up Nebraska and Hillsboro, I headed on over. Three lovely ladies greeted me. I was briefed on the "session" For. 4 I would use the room and the tips started at $ for the lady of my choice. OK I was there and thought I'd TOFTT, so I chose Camille, a black BBW with really nice boobies. She said put your tip on the table and I'll be right back. OK. A ben on the table and she comes back and takes off her dress and "models" in her bra and panties. The bra comes off and wow, the fun bags are out to play. I get "comfortable" She asks if I want to "upsell" the session. $. 5 would be for her french skills. NO thanks. So basically I got a HJ/Russian for the Ben. A good release, but certainly not good value in my mind. When you can get a full hour session with a beautiful escort for $$ in a nice place, I'd say that's better value than a $. 9 BJ. In retrospect I should have called one of the ladies that caught my eye on Backpage or in the magazine, or went to Nagoya to try Judy. For what it's worth, I just don't see the attraction at the Studios. But that's just me.

A few years back I used to date a girl who worked at a jack shack. What a joke it really was. She used to live off the motto the better the tip the better the show. Thats what it is to a "show". If your into rub and tuggin yourself then its your cup of tea.

But if not I can't suggest a Lingerie Shop. ...

Happy Hunting...

Agree whole-heartedly about shops. Waste of time in my experience.

By the way, 7315 is now fully on-board with the "Tampa Escorts Verified" scam. Holly has a profile up and is pimping her girls on his message board. So of course Josh is throwing his support behind it. As opposed to the girl Ariel that he has labelled as 'Not Recommended' because, in his words, she "has a shop girl mentality". I guess it's not what you do, or how you do it, but it all boils down to who you know.

If you wish to educate me on something you seem to know then by all means do so. I find it absoulutely amazing how many people there are who are so willing to vomit their opinions on topics they have no information on. Unless you have met me and know me I can promise you that you have no idea what my thoughts or intentions are for anything.

Holly

So this whole chain started from a 1st hand account by Horn Dog Too (ie on something he DID know something about) who, BTW, also happens to be a Sr. Member with 120 posts to his credit. In that post he described what could only be described as an EXTREMELY poor value session he got at Holly's shop, a story she has yet to dispute.

R Consultant, perhaps the most Sr. and respected of members here, responded to that post with his opinion, based on a long term personal relationship with a girl who worked in such places, that Lingerie shops in GENERAL are basically Jack Shacks where you always get jacked for your money and usually also wind up having to jack yourself unless you have the small fortune it takes to get the EXTRA service. Okay, he did generalize them ALL to be SELF-service and HD2 did get his 7315 girl Camille to provide him with a Russian/HJ (for $140, woohoo!!!), but his larger point was that, in his opinion which I happen to share, ALL of the places (including 7315) are EXTREMELY poor values.

Then G Money Cool weighs in. He's not a Sr. Member but he does have nearly 100 posts, some offering just his opinion, like we ALL often do on this DISCUSSION boards, but also many with informative 1st hand information. BTW, NOWHERE in his post did he even allude to know Holly/Club7315's thoughts or intentions. What he did do was add to RC's comment that Holly "advertises" on the TEV blog. Apparently, a FACT. Holly/Club7315 complains that GMC is just offering his opinion on something he has no information on but is she disputing that she now has a prominent presence on that blogsite? Add to that what we ALL know about what it often takes to get any favorable treatment on that site by its owner. Another FACT based on numerous reports by other providers. Put those facts together and GMC's insinuation, that Club7315's favorable reviews on that blog are solely a reflection of heavily discounted sessions or freebies or even possibly cash compensation that she is providing to that scum, seems like a perfectly reasonable opinion to offer. Or are we to believe that a business operation that has many paid advertisements elsewhere and numerous girls that are all suddenly getting favorable reviews was the ONE entity that the TEV blogger didn't shake down for compensation (and get it)?

But that wasn't even his main point. He concluded with the parallel observation that another INDEPENDENT provider was put down by that same blog site for having a "shop girl mentality". Again, Holly/Club7315 in her critique of GMC did not dispute that FACT either. Finally, GMC concludes that extolling the virtues of one set of girls who actually WORK IN A SHOP and reportedly practice the same typical "shop girl" UPSELL techniques, while panning another girl for ALLEGEDLY doing the very same thing is incredibly hypocritical and is just another example of why we can't really put much stock in ANYTHING this guy says. In other words, GMC's post wasn't even primarily about that particular shop or even about the independent girl with the supposedly "shop girl mentality". It was an attack on Josh that clearly and fairly laid out its basis.

To the extent it also denigrated "poor Holly" and her place of business, I can only say "well, boohoo". As I've said before, if you lay down with dogs, then don't complain if you get fleas. Holly seems to think that just because she can afford to place a lot of ads in such magazines as Night Moves that we should regard her as a well managed and reputable business. And perhaps it is well-managed to the extent it is making lots of money for Holly. However, those of us who have been practicing this hobby here in Tampa for any length of time know that many if not most of the ads in such magazines are for overpriced if not out and out rip-off clubs, agencies and a few independents, who can only afford the high advertising rates because of the high rates they pass on to their customers.

For all her crying about her unfair treatment on this board, she has yet to dispute that what her girls demand for their limited service AFTER their customer lays down his 1st $40 VASTLY exceeds the typical rates for most escorts in this area. And being in a high traffic fixed location also subjects those customers to arguably as great or greater legal or personal risk (based on the reports of police stakeouts and at least one guy who was stopped by police after leaving her business and being reported by them to his wife, YIKES!!! I'd rather just be arrested.)

IMHO, this place's association with a shady operation like the TEV blogsite (an association we don't want to reward) is just icing on the cake. Add to that the fact that, like all such places, you have to pay a small fortune to get anything more than a do-it-yourself HJ and that, like all such places, you are no more safe, and perhaps much less safe, from a legal or personal risk standpoint than taking your chances with much more reliably reviewed CL girls. Based on all that, you won't find me trying out this place. But then that's just me "vomitting" my opinion on a topic I probably have no real information on.

[J Melbourne27]

I'd say people are into the Lingerie shops because they are low-risk.

At a lingerie shop there's no chance of her being LEO or of her BF appearing out of nowhere, and it is a structured environment where there is very little guess work and you get to see what you're getting before you buy, or not buy at all.

Strip clubs are an alternative to this, but the guess work is getting the girl to do what you want and avoiding management, as well as strip clubs costing $$$ for very little time.

MPs are are ok but many of them ask for high $$ entrance fees and I have heard before that when you enter sometimes you regret even being there. You have to do a LOT of research on an MP before you choose one and even then sometimes you'll pay the $$$, go in, and be offered a selection of ex-SWs or 50yo has-beens who've seen more cock than a chicken fighting organizer.

I've dropped by a few of the Lingerie places around Tampa and haven't been impressed by what I've seen. Most of them have old ex-strippers who seem to be using the lingerie $ to keep up the maintenance on their over-modified bodies but not bothering to work out.

A few years back I used to date a girl who worked at a jack shack. What a joke it really was. She used to live off the motto the better the tip the better the show. Thats what it is to a "show". If your into rub and tuggin yourself then its your cup of tea.

But if not I can't suggest a Lingerie Shop. We have one 34st/62 ave N and they don't do anything exciting. Its been years since I have been in there but I can't imagine them changing.

Happy Hunting..

[J Melbourne27]

If you have specific 'experience' that invalidates Club 7315 please provided details and specific dates. Do not just allude to it being a waste of time 'in your experience.'

If you don't have a specific story to tell then you don't have an experience and someone will need to personally go to Club 7315 and give us a detailed account.

Agree whole-heartedly about shops. Waste of time in my experience.

By the way, 7315 is now fully on-board with the "Tampa Escorts Verified" scam. Holly has a profile up and is pimping her girls on his message board. So of course Josh is throwing his support behind it. As opposed to the girl Ariel that he has labelled as 'Not Recommended' because, in his words, she "has a shop girl mentality". I guess it's not what you do, or how you do it, but it all boils down to who you know.

[R Consultant]

Effective information gathering is the most basic thing you can do. G Money provided good quality information with the source. The higher quality of background he gave is much better than you throwing vomit remarks around.

So whats your story? Instead of unwanted remarks that show you might be guilty. You should show that his statement is incorrect. I didn't see anything in your post subjective to that at all.

Happy Hunting..

If you wish to educate me on something you seem to know then by all means do so. I find it absoulutely amazing how many people there are who are so willing to vomit their opinions on topics they have no information on. Unless you have met me and know me I can promise you that you have no idea what my thoughts or intentions are for anything.

Holly

[Logi17]

A few months back I had 2 awesome early morning(when they were open 24 hours) sessions here with a girl named Lexi.

I have been meaning to get back there, but it's been difficult to get over there during new hours.

A friend has visited there with a few girls and has not had any complaints.
So, it's like every sw, amp, escort, etc YMMV.

Go in clean, go in with a good attitude and 75% of the time you will get a good deal and good service.

[Club7315]

Agree whole-heartedly about shops. Waste of time in my experience.

By the way, 7315 is now fully on-board with the "Tampa Escorts Verified" scam. Holly has a profile up and is pimping her girls on his message board. So of course Josh is throwing his support behind it. As opposed to the girl Ariel that he has labelled as 'Not Recommended' because, in his words, she "has a shop girl mentality". I guess it's not what you do, or how you do it, but it all boils down to who you know.

If you wish to educate me on something you seem to know then by all means do so. I find it absoulutely amazing how many people there are who are so willing to vomit their opinions on topics they have no information on. Unless you have met me and know me I can promise you that you have no idea what my thoughts or intentions are for anything.

Holly

[G Money Cool]

A few years back I used to date a girl who worked at a jack shack. What a joke it really was. She used to live off the motto the better the tip the better the show. Thats what it is to a "show". If your into rub and tuggin yourself then its your cup of tea.

But if not I can't suggest a Lingerie Shop. We have one 34st/62 ave N and they don't do anything exciting. Its been years since I have been in there but I can't imagine them changing.

Happy Hunting..

Agree whole-heartedly about shops. Waste of time in my experience.

By the way, 7315 is now fully on-board with the "Tampa Escorts Verified" scam. Holly has a profile up and is pimping her girls on his message board. So of course Josh is throwing his support behind it. As opposed to the girl Ariel that he has labelled as 'Not Recommended' because, in his words, she "has a shop girl mentality". I guess it's not what you do, or how you do it, but it all boils down to who you know.

[Legalize it]

While it is sometimes true lingerie shops are not always the best value, they have an advantage in that you can meet the girl before you pay. With an escort, you never know who you are going to see at the door. I think it's also safer than going to some girl's strange incall location. If you ever went to Xposed, you know they had some really hot girls working there too.

[Drew Park]

A few years back I used to date a girl who worked at a jack shack. What a joke it really was. She used to live off the motto the better the tip the better the show. Thats what it is to a "show". If your into rub and tuggin yourself then its your cup of tea....Its been years since I have been in there but I can't imagine them changing.

I have probably hit all of them at one time or another and RC is right. The only worthwhile place was ETS on Alva when Sonya was there. Ahhhhhhh, the memories.

[Logi17]

I had some good times there right before they closed.

Also for less than an escort and just as good.

[Tpa48]

A few years back I used to date a girl who worked at a jack shack. What a joke it really was. She used to live off the motto the better the tip the better the show. Thats what it is to a "show". If your into rub and tuggin yourself then its your cup of tea.

But if not I can't suggest a Lingerie Shop. We have one 34st/62 ave N and they don't do anything exciting. Its been years since I have been in there but I can't imagine them changing.


Happy Hunting..

I used to visit the Executive when they were on Armenia. I can say that I had very good times with most of the girls there for about the same $$ as any escort around town. Like anything else I think it is just YMMV.

[R Consultant]

A few years back I used to date a girl who worked at a jack shack. What a joke it really was. She used to live off the motto the better the tip the better the show. Thats what it is to a "show". If your into rub and tuggin yourself then its your cup of tea.

But if not I can't suggest a Lingerie Shop. We have one 34st/62 ave N and they don't do anything exciting. Its been years since I have been in there but I can't imagine them changing.


Happy Hunting..

I'm thinking Lingerie shops are, while not a blatent rip off, not a good value. Ie not a lot of bang for a lot of bucks. After my experience at the spa in Hudson, and the 7315 Armenia studio, I am not a fan of "Pre Tipping" Last night after busting out at the Hard Rock, I was in need of a woman. In the Night Moves magazine an ad for 7315 Lingerie modeling caught my eye so after a fruitless cruise up Nebraska and Hillsboro, I headed on over. Three lovely ladies greeted me. I was briefed on the "session" For. 4 I would use the room and the tips started at $ for the lady of my choice. OK I was there and thought I'd TOFTT, so I chose Camille, a black BBW with really nice boobies. She said put your tip on the table and I'll be right back. OK. A ben on the table and she comes back and takes off her dress and "models" in her bra and panties. The bra comes off and wow, the fun bags are out to play. I get "comfortable" She asks if I want to "upsell" the session. $. 5 would be for her french skills. NO thanks. So basically I got a HJ/Russian for the Ben. A good release, but certainly not good value in my mind. When you can get a full hour session with a beautiful escort for $$ in a nice place, I'd say that's better value than a $. 9 BJ. In retrospect I should have called one of the ladies that caught my eye on Backpage or in the magazine, or went to Nagoya to try Judy. For what it's worth, I just don't see the attraction at the Studios. But that's just me.