Lingerie Shops

[Chase Star]

... And after reading Holly's posts here, I've come to a conclusion. We have a girl that is hot and smart. A nice combination!

I can't speak for her services or the club's but at a minimum, I figure she may be worth a try.

Now, that's an assessment I'd also have to agree with. Holly is very pretty and obviously has a good head on her shoulders and a pleasant disposition judging from her posts. Problem is, if it came down to costing me $350 just to see her model lingerie, like that other poster said happened to him with one of the girls at her shop, I think I could find better ways to spend my money. Obviously, Holly can't comment on any events that were alleged to have happened after a customer left her shop, but she could comment on that $350 charge. And, as Tpa48 so aptly pointed out, cost of the session aside, with all the heat that is being brought down lately on these fixed location shops, now is probably not the best time to check them out.

Dan and Booper, I know I can be overly wordy at times (hell, most of the time ), but at least I can still laugh at myself. Does it mean I have too much time or my hands? Perhaps. Does it mean I never get laid, as Booper suggested, or don't also have the time to try things 1st hand, as Dan and Holly suggested? Not at all, but one can't spend all of one's waking hours visiting lingerie shops or one would quickly go broke. I've already actually been to enough of them (including one very expensive self-service session long ago with Jessie James ) to readily believe the many other reports that were so similar to my own. I haven't been to 7315, but haven't read anything so far to make me think that it would be so much different, at least not enough that I'd be willing to pay $140 for a HJ to confirm that for anyone else. These days I pay not that much more than that for a provider, a hot spinner dancer from one of the local clubs, who comes to see me regularly for an hour or more of DFK/DATY/BBBJ/FS/MSOG/GFE. If Holly can match or even approach that for me, then I'd be more than happy to see her.

[G Money Cool]

I ventured out to Club 7315 on Armenia looking for a good time, however I paid $350. 00 for a dismal lingerie modeling show. I would have enjoyed myself more, by staying home and looking at a Victoria Secret catalog. I would have given myself a goot time, saved $350. 00 and known that the happy endings are gone.

After leaving Club 7315 I was stopped, by the police, who informed me that they were conducting a Racketeering investigation, at this business and were looking for my cooperation. This episode scared me to go straight home but when I got home, my wife had already been notified that our car was at a business being investigated by police.

I am posting this to advise you not to frequent these business because all the "happy endings" will make it home before you do.
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I just thought that everyone should see this post, as it seems very contraire to Holly's posts.

This is the first post for me, but I am not new to the board. I have been around since before the flea collar and wookworld days, and when Club 7315 was AVX (with Barbie) and there was another shop just a couple blocks from there called Golden Fingers (I think that was the name) with Mya if anyone remembers.

Cheers

This post was recently re-quoted in the other forum, but it is originally from August 2008. The guy that posted it (nutcrker), then went 5 months without another post in the Tampa forums, until Monday when he posted a positive review of a AMP (Yoshiko). One of the Sr Members on that forum pointed out that Yohiko had just been busted a few days before. Not sure what to make of it all.

[Tpa48]

Tarpon thanks for reminding us about this. I personally think aside from the whole value discussion that until LE activity dies down some there is no reason to hit any shop right now. I know the last thing I need in my life is this kind of BS.

[Tarpon1416]

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I ventured out to Club 7315 on Armenia looking for a good time, however I paid $350. 00 for a dismal lingerie modeling show. I would have enjoyed myself more, by staying home and looking at a Victoria Secret catalog. I would have given myself a goot time, saved $350. 00 and known that the happy endings are gone.

After leaving Club 7315 I was stopped, by the police, who informed me that they were conducting a Racketeering investigation, at this business and were looking for my cooperation. This episode scared me to go straight home but when I got home, my wife had already been notified that our car was at a business being investigated by police.

I am posting this to advise you not to frequent these business because all the "happy endings" will make it home before you do.
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I just thought that everyone should see this post, as it seems very contraire to Holly's posts.

This is the first post for me, but I am not new to the board. I have been around since before the flea collar and wookworld days, and when Club 7315 was AVX (with Barbie) and there was another shop just a couple blocks from there called Golden Fingers (I think that was the name) with Mya if anyone remembers.

Cheers

[Club7315]

Well, here goes my first post after almost 2 years of lurking.

I looked at the Club 7315 website and checked out Holly's pictures. And after reading Holly's posts here, I've come to a conclusion. We have a girl that is hot and smart. A nice combination!

I can't speak for her services or the club's but at a minimum, I figure she may be worth a try.

Thank you so much! I definitely look forward to meeting you and hope to see you soon.

XOXOXOXO ~Holly

[Booper]

WTF? Does anyone get laid on this Tampa board?

[Dan Smith 69]

Holly,

Sorry, this is another long one...

Finally, a statement we all can agree with you on. LOL.

You know, with the amount of time and energy you have taken to put all those little thoughts of yours down into the many many many words used to express them, you could have simply paid a visit to Holly's shop and have an actual experience you could report on first hand.- I'm just sayin.

[Chase Star]

Holly,

Sorry, this is another long one which I hope you'll take the time to read. I appreciate your civility very much too. It shows that people can disagree with each other without being disagreeable. This is in marked contrast to another provider who recently came on this board and wound up getting in flame wars with practically everyone who bothered to engage with her. Personally, I think it is absolutely GREAT that providers like you (and Angeleyez727 and a few others) are here to share your perspectives and I hope you continue to do so.

Re: guilt by association being abhorrent. That may be so, but that doesn't change the fact that it exists and that you have to deal with it (just ask Roland Burris).

Also, while any generalization is just that, a generalization that does not necessarily apply to everyone in that group, most generalizations have at least some basis. Maybe that means it is just a little bit more likely for members of a particular group than for those who aren't or maybe it is a lot more likely. Maybe that is still a small percentage of that group or maybe it applies to most . To the extent, there is some basis for it, generalizations can be a useful for improving your odds of making a safe decision when you lack anything better to go on. That might mean you reject some people who were really okay (false negatives), but that is better than accepting others who really weren't okay (false positives). The possible consequences of making a bad pick in this hobby can be quite great. OTOH, the only real consequence of unfairly passing over a provider is seeing a different one instead. Given the high risks inherent in this hobby AND the usual lack of reliable information that us guys have available to us, we have to use whatever tools we can to reduce our those risks however unfair and abhorent it might seem to you.

Now, rather than fault generalizations as a tool in general, you might more fairly question whether the basis for this particular generalization is valid and on that point in some respects I could see some greater basis for debate.

First, as to regard to the blog-owner himself, you're absolutely right that, unlike you, I have had absolutely no direct 1st-hand contact with that blog-owner OTHER than to have a couple of attempted posts on his site blocked. What is he afraid of? In starked contrast, this site allows the free flow of dissenting opinions. Our own exchange is evidence of that. The only things that ever get censored here are technical issues like copyright violations, topics like sex with minors and understandably flaming and trolling. However, I've read numerous and credible accounts by a variety of providers that support our collective view of that blog site. I've also personally reviewed the other evidence supporting that view including actual direct quotes from that blog site itself and witnessed the convenient removal of some comments from that site when a subsequent story line did not coincide with those earlier comments. Basically, IMHO, any reasonable observer of that site if they look at it carefully can't help but see that the creator has tangled himself up in a web of lies and changing statements that completely destroys any credibility he might have once had.

So the basis for judging him at least is VERY sound, but what does that say about the providers who have been reviewed on his site? To be completely honest and fair, maybe nothing. Those reviews themselves certainly say nothing about those providers. This is where it becomes much more debateable. No one but the blog owner himself can really say how many of his reviews were tainted by free or discounted service or refusal thereof, and he's not about to admit to anything. Was it only 10% or was it more like 90%? If it was the former, then I might agree with your view that our generalization is unfair. OTOH, if it is closer to the latter, you should see why we would question how a provider got a favorable (or negative) review. And if it seems likely or at least highly possible that a provider would go along with granting special favors to get a positive review there, then we should also question what else that provider might have done to get favorable reviews elsewhere. There are certainly a lot more questionable reviews out there by virtually unknown posters than there are by respected and "known" forum members who regularly post reviews. To her doing some special service just to get a favorable review might just be part of the cost of doing business, much like advertising in Night Moves is to you. The problem is that there is a big difference between an obviously paid ad in magazine or escort advertising site and something masquerading as an objective review.

IMHO, you as a provider need to understand all the risks and lack of information or disinformation that we as hobbyiests have in making our purchasing decisions and why we resort to factors that may seem to you to be unfair.

Oh yeah, beyond whether it is fair for us to apply guilt by association with a clearly guilty party, you completely ignored the 2nd part of my argument, namely that, whether you were party to that P4R (play for review) business, other providers clearly were victims of it and by participating (even innocently) on that site you're lending greater credence to him and helping empowering him to victimize others.

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Enough of that. Here are some other responses to your latest comments:

1) "Should I act on your word and disassociate myself from TEV without coming to my own conclusions? Of course not." I completely agree, however if you review the evidence as I have, I think you'll come to to the same conclusion as I have about that individual if not what you should do about it.

2) "Some of the same things can be said about this site in regards to unnecessarily negative posts from very biased members. You have to learn to read between the lines." Again, I agree, but again there is one very big difference. At least on this site, the admin allows different viewpoints to be posted so that a REAL discussion can take place and one can fairly compare and consider all the arguments and counter-arguments that are presented.

3) "I would hope that the majority of those out there reading this are capable of coming to their own conclusion, or at the very least seeing for themselves what we have to offer regardless of what some of you may say about lingerie shops. We’re different, period!" Again, I agree and share that hope about readers being able to reach their own conclusions. I'll readily admit that I have no real idea whether your shop is really different. As you correctly pointed out, I have never personally been to your shop. I still think at least some of what I've read supports my suspicion that your shop is not materially different, but I'm more than willing to pass on that part of the debate. What I've said repeatedly is that the bulk of what I'm saying is directed at lingerie shops in general, where I do have more basis for forming my opinion. Of course, even there everyone has to draw their own conclusion and there are certainly many guys who agree with you and see lingerie shops as a preferrable way to engage in this hobby.

4) Re: first hand info, I extemporize on some subjects that I have limited 1st experience with. For example, clearly, lingerie shops are not my preferred mode of hobbying and I do not frequent such places. That doesn't mean I've never been in any and my 1st hand experiences in those few that I've been to and paid the entry fee coincides with most of the reports I've read in general by others. Similarly, I've been to several AMPs (some multiple times), been with streetwalkers (though not in many years), been to more strip joints than I can count and been in the backrooms of several of them, been with escorts (incall and outcall), even tried my hand in the "casual relationships/FWB" area with some limited success. I've had my successes and I've had my failures. I've probably made most of the classic mistakes and some point and hopefully have learned from all of them. Obviously, I could never have been with all the providers out there or been to all of the shops, but I think I've been to enough to be able to judge the credibility of the reports of others that I read and to offer my views on those subjects.

One thing I always try to do is choose my words very carefully (hence all those qualifiers) so that others can, as you say, read between the lines and decide for themselves. I also try to be as accurate and as well reasoned as possible and hopefully that comes out in my posts such that readers CAN put a lot of stock in what I say.

5) You are absolutely right that I've never managed a lingerie shop and I have little idea what special overhead expenses you have. What I do know is that one credible report on this board cited a $140 HJ by a BBW and that similar service can be had for less than half that elsewhere. If that is not explained by higher advertising expenses, what does explain it? Rent, utilities, pay-offs to the cops, or simply a higher profit margin for you and your girls? Whatever it is means little to us as hobbyists any way. What matters is what we pay and by ALL accounts that is much more than what we pay elsewhere.

6) "Up selling, negotiation, haggling or whatever you want to call it is a part of any business process." You don't seem to understand the important distinction between negotiating a price before any money changes hands and being asked for more money after an exchange has already started. Most reputable businesses will be upfront about what things will cost their customers. Okay, you and most other shops usually will tell your customers that "tips" usually start at $100 but IMHE most of the many shops I've ever been to are EXTREMELY cagey about what that $140 will really buy (certainly more cagey then even in most escort ads) or how much MORE their customers will have to pay to get the service that normally costs just $140 elsewhere UNLESS they first pay the room fee. If room fees are at all refundable then they certainly don't make that clear or that simple. You say your shop is different, and maybe it is, but if so IMHE it is the rare exception.

7) "You get what you pay for" That is not always true. Sure it is normally true for a given provider. And it is also true that the more you pay at a shop will certainly mean the more you will get in the back room. I never said differently. But that is not the issue. More broadly speaking, sometimes you DON'T get what you pay for (ask any guy who has been victim of the cash and dash or bait and switch). And sometimes you get what you paid for but you could have gotten even more for the same amount by going with a different provider. Even between shops you will probably find some providers who provide more for a given amount than would others. The real question is will paying more at a lingerie ship get you more than what you'd get from a carefully screened escort? IMHE, you actually get much more for your buck with escorts.

8) Re: firing girls based on one complaint, I absolutely agree that it would be absurd to fire someone based on one sole complaint, but I wasn't the one boasting about how seriously I took my customers complaints. And you didn't seem to even give any acknowledgement of that report. In this case, since this gal was asking for the same high rates as every girl there, there certainly wasn't any basis for firing her.

9) Re: the contradictory treatment between your shop girls and the escort who acted like one, while in one moment claiming NOT to be shop girls, the next moment you acknowledge the business orientation that exists in any shop. Or are you claiming your girls never lay out the prices after the $40 fee is collected or even suggest a higher level session after the session has already started? You can debate whether any of that is such a bad thing or simply to be expected or not, but how is it fair for TEV to fault one provider for doing something while simultaneously praising other providers who do substantially the same things?

10) "They don’t have to have someone come to their home or the inconvenience of getting a hotel room. They also don’t have to worry about the girl arriving not being the person they expected. They have the option of walking away if they don’t like what they see." Sure, there may be some aspects of going to lingerie shops that are preferrable for some guys, maybe even to the point that it is worth the heavy price premium it involves. So I would never say that just because lingerie shops aren't right for me, they aren't right for others. But I do think there are much strong arguments against them then the ones you're presenting against using escorts. You do have another choice besides having them come to your home or getting a hotel room. As you well know, there is also what they refer to as incall where you can go to an independent escorts hotel room, apartment or other place of business. Besides, some guys use escorts when traveling so getting a hotel room is really no extra bother and other guys have no problem having the girls come to their homes, where they're most comfortable and have greater control over the setting than some high-traffic hotel room or shop. No one is forced to answer escort ads without photos and those with photos can be verified as to their accuracy through sites such as this one. And if all else fails and a girl comes to your door or you go to hers and she is not the girl you saw in the pics, you're just as free to turn her away or leave as you would be in any shop.

In closing, let me say again, I appreciate all that you've had to say (and how you've said it). I actually agree with you on some of your responses and see your points. Even where I don't I still respect your right to express your opinions and welcome your responses.

[Tampa Guy]

Well, here goes my first post after almost 2 years of lurking.

I looked at the Club 7315 website and checked out Holly's pictures. And after reading Holly's posts here, I've come to a conclusion. We have a girl that is hot and smart. A nice combination!

I can't speak for her services or the club's but at a minimum, I figure she may be worth a try.

[Club7315]

First of all I find the idea of guilt by association abhorrent, which is exactly what you are eluding to. Is what you’re saying true? I don’t know. Should I act on your word and disassociate myself from TEV without coming to my own conclusions? Of course not. Some of the same things can be said about this site in regards to unnecessarily negative posts from very biased members. You have to learn to read between the lines.

The fact is that for every person that posts here there are hundreds of people who do not, they just merely read our babbling back and forth. I would hope that the majority of those out there reading this are capable of coming to their own conclusion, or at the very least seeing for themselves what we have to offer regardless of what some of you may say about lingerie shops. We’re different, period!

I have also noticed in your posts that I have read, and I have neither the time nor the inclination to read them all, that you often use phrasing such as “to my understanding” or “from a reliable source” or “from what I’ve read” and such. This tells me, and I hope to those readers I mentioned earlier, that a lot of what you and saying is not from firsthand experience. This is not an insult just an observation. If I’m wrong and you do have some actual “I was there” information then please let me know.

My ads do cost and yes we all pitch in to pay for them, but your thoughts on this topic also shows me that you do not know much about the way shops work. With the cost of the ads divided by the number of girls divided by the number of sessions the “cost” per customer comes out to somewhere between $2 and $3. If this is too much overhead for you then lingerie shops are definitely not for you. Yes, a business has overhead and yes, some of those costs get passed on but it’s the amount that you think the customers are paying is where you are wrong.


1. Up selling, negotiation, haggling or whatever you want to call it is a part of any business process. You’d be hard pressed to name a business that doesn’t employ it to some level. And actually yes, the girls are more than happy to discuss prices even before the room fee is paid (“I’ll model my “full” wardrobe for xxx, “half” for xxx or a “handful” of things for xxx” if you get my meaning). Besides, we do tell the customer over the phone and in person that tipping usually starts at $100. If that’s all he wants to spend then he’ll still have a great time. There is nothing shady about this. Yes, there is some vagueness until there is a certain level of comfort reached by the girl before she will be overly specific. You have to remember, you know what she does for a living while she does not know what you do. I’m sure you know what I mean by that. We’re also more than happy to give a customer his room fee back if the negotiation process is not to his liking, as long as the session hasn’t started. If this is the treatment you have gotten from other shops then I’m sorry, but I can promise you that it’s not the way we do business and if anyone ever has a contradictory experience at Club 7315 I ask that you bring it to my attention immediately.

2. The only thing I would like to say in response to this is that you get what you pay for. See Item 1 above.

3. No, I was not informed of the specific incident you are referring to from anyone here. What I do know about it was what she told me about it immediately afterwards. I do not make it a practice to fire a girl over one complaint. To think I would is absurd.

4. No, because we do not have the “shop girl” mentality you are speaking of. Again, see above. You do realize that the basis of the “model” – “customer” relationship is a business relationship right? You worded your reply using phrases like “close the deal” and “pitching their varying levels of service”. Sounds like a business transaction to me, and the sooner and painlessly it’s completed the sooner everyone has fun.

You may never change your mind about lingerie shops, and to tell you the truth I’m not trying to. I’m merely trying put some real information out there. The fact is that you are mostly right, just not about us. Lingerie shops are a very positive experience for many guys. They don’t have to have someone come to their home or the inconvenience of getting a hotel room. They also don’t have to worry about the girl arriving not being the person they expected. They have the option of walking away if they don’t like what they see. I’m quite sure that you will find some fault in what I’ve written but I appreciate your civility and hope that it can remain that way. If there’s anything else I can explain or clarify just let me know.

To everyone else reading this; hope to see you soon!

Holly

[Clinton Bush]

I have probably hit all of them at one time or another and RC is right. The only worthwhile place was ETS on Alva when Sonya was there. Ahhhhhhh, the memories.

Does anyone know whether she is still in the area? She was my all time favorite provider and a great friend as well.

[Chase Star]

Holly,
Now that was a perfectly reasoned and well written response to the discussion. I'm prepared to take you at your word that no special favors were requested of you prior (or since) your appearance on that blogsite. It would be highly unusual given the other widespread and highly credible reports concerning that site (which I encourage you to research), but I certainly couldn't say the experiences you're reporting were absolutely impossible.

That all being said, you're also now very much aware of the very bad reputation that site has here and elsewhere. Given that, only you can decide whether the benefit of promoting your shop on a board with a tightly closed and restricted membership offsets the natural suspicions that relationship causes on this open board (ie with a much larger potential viewership) and elsewhere. As I've said to other providers before, only you can make that decision, however, knowing those trade-offs, if you decide to try continue your association with that blogsite, then you shouldn't complain about the bad PR it may also cause here and elsewhere.

Beyond those practical concerns, as a woman who purports to be concerned about the working conditions for yourself and your fellow providers (which I'm also prepared to accept as true), then you should also ask yourself whether, through your membership on that board, you want to lend any credence to a site which has been associated with the sorts of actions that guy has been charged with against so many of your fellow providers.

I'm also willing to take you at your word about how you manage your business and split up your revenues and expenses. I didn't actually charge you with pimping, but I can see how it certainly could have seemed that way to you and for that I apologize. However, regardless of how you manage the financial aspects of your business, the bottom line is the same. Those ads in Nightmoves that you're so proud of may look very nice and slick but I'm sure they don't come cheap (even with free photography) and whether you think you're paying for it or your girls are paying for it, the pockets it really comes out of in the end are your customers as you invariably pass those costs along with the rest of your overhead in your prices. Yes, ALL of the shops run ads, though not all of them run so many or pay for better placement. However, when I wrote that point, I never said it did not apply to the other shops. In fact, my point was really that ALL of the shops (and agencies and independent providers who advertise in that way) have extra expenses that they have to make up for in some way.

As I said, I found most of what you just wrote perfectly reasonable and believable. I just have a few remaining questions about some of the things you just wrote AND what you failed to address.

1) You wrote "I was tired of the same problems you guys were having; girls up selling, hustling the customers, etc.", but isn't upselling by very definition part of the lingerie shop experience? After all, its not like you or your girls say in your ads, or even once the customer arrives at your door, what the full price will be. It is only after the customer is "locked in" for the $40 door fee that he can find that out. Hopefully, he can still think with his big head rather than his little one at that point. What do you say to that?

2) You also wrote "Our prices are fair and in fact lower than what I've seen most escorts advertising". I have to wonder where you've seen most escorts advertising. What I've seen is most escorts advertising f/s full hour sessions for $200 with more and more of them coming down even further below that. What I've read about your shop is $40 to get in and even find out what the upsell rates will be and then $100 for HJ/Russian or $150 for a BJ (most likely covered). And how long does that session last? That is nearly as much for a relatively quick and plain BJ as we would pay an escort for a f/s hour. Am I wrong about those rates and how is that lower than the real rates that escorts are advertising outside of pricey and slick mags like nightmoves?

3) How do you respond to the specific experience described by Horn Dog 2? Are you also disputing what he wrote? Did he complain to you or now that you've read his account of his session with Camille, did you take the complaint seriously (as you've said you've taken other complaints) and did you fire her (as you said you have with others) or is she still working at your shop providing the same sorts of sessions to others?

4) Do you at least acknowledge that your positive treatment on the TEV blogsite was in direct contradiction to what another provider was criticised for, namely having a "shop girl" mentality? After all, all your girls actually ARE shop girls, who I'm sure exhibited the exact same behavior as that girl once they got behind the closed door and then had to "close the deal" by pitching their varying levels of service for different additional payments. As was clarified, that was main point of all these posts any way. And what does that tell you about the fairness and credibility of that site?

When you get down to it, most of the comments that I wrote could apply equally well to ANY of the lingerie shops and I think I said as much in my post. Naturally, my choice of comments are both the basis of and are influenced by my personal view of lingerie shops. Clearly some other guys have a different view or you and your competitors wouldn't still be in business. Those guys may or may not agree with some of my observations but they also see positive advantages to using lingerie shops that outweigh any disadvantage. Personally, I do not but I can't say one side is definitively right or wrong. If some guys go to lingerie shops and it works for THEM, who am I to say they are wrong?

[Club7315]

The model line is (813) 479-7315

Holly

[Club7315]

Let’S clear the air on this subject and I’ll start by giving you some background.

I only found TEV by looking at my website stats and seeing a URL with ". /club7315_review" listed as a referrer link. Obviously I was curious and clicked the URL only to find that it was a members only site. I did some looking around and found the email address of the admin and sent him an email asking if I could join. I then got an email asking me to call him to verify that it was me before he would allow me access, which I did. We had a pleasant conversation about what the site is about and why he created it, after which he allowed me to be a member. And why wouldn’t I join? I’m always looking for ways to get the word out about the club and the girls (me included. I think a lot of you forget that I work there as well). I haven’t been asked for anything, I haven’t paid anything, and to tell you the truth I haven’t spent much time there other than creating a profile and posting a few comments in the forums replying to the original review of the club. What I can tell you is that everyone who has left comments for me has been very nice and I haven’t seen anything like what you’re describing. Does that mean it’s not true? No, just that I haven’t seen it, and until I do I see no reason not to associate myself with the site. I know the moderators of the site as well as I know you, not at all, and have no reason not to take him at his word until I have a reason not to.

As for our ads. I don’t understand why the quality of our ads and where they’re placed is something to attack us about. All of the shops run ads, ours are just better looking (in my opinion). It just happens that a really good friend of mine is a photographer and graphic designer who does them for me for free, as well as our website. All we have to do is pay for the placement.

As for the club and the girls. The reason I decided to open my own place is because I was tired of the same problems you guys were having; girls up selling, hustling the customers, etc. I love my job and don’t understand why someone would be in this business if they don’t. I also wanted a place to work where I felt comfortable, safe and most importantly appreciated and I realized that to have all of that I had to do it myself. When I opened Club 7315 all of the great girls I’ve worked with at other shops came with me because they were tired of the same thing too. Some who had even quit the business because of all the problems came back because they knew it would be a great place to work and that the girls would have the power to run the place as it should. There are some of you who say that I’m using the girls to make/take money from them. Well, I am one of the girls. The club makes enough to pay for itself and the bills, nothing more. The girls don’t give me anything, only paying the room fee to the club and we all chip in for our ads. Nothing more! I think that’s the one thing that insulted me the most, thinking that I would take advantage of anyone. It definitely shows that you guys don’t know me.

I wanted to create a place where the girls as well as the guys feel comfortable. I think I’ve done that, especially at our new location. Almost all of our business is repeat business so we must be doing something right as far the guys who do come in are concerned. Our prices are fair and in fact lower than what I've seen most escorts advertising so I'm not sure where you're getting your information. And on the rare occasion that I have received complaints I’ve taken them very seriously and have even fired a few girls because of them. I will not and do not tolerate any girl not treating the guys with the utmost respect. I also expect the same in return. All of the girls working at the club want you to leave happy and come again (and again and again).

Is there anything else you would like to know? Unlike everyone else here you have the option of calling me or stopping in to see me. I’ll give you the tour and we can even shoot a game of pool in the game room. The new place is bigger, better, more private/discreet and easier to get to. I’m open to hearing your concerns, criticism or praise (I especially like to hear that I’ve been a good girl). I promise I won’t bite you, unless that’s what you’re into.

XOXOXOXO ~Holly

Private line: (813) 965-8887
Club line: (813) 479-7615

4600 E 7th Ave. Ybor City

[G Money Cool]

If you have specific 'experience' that invalidates Club 7315 please provided details and specific dates. Do not just allude to it being a waste of time 'in your experience.'

If you don't have a specific story to tell then you don't have an experience and someone will need to personally go to Club 7315 and give us a detailed account.

My statement that shops are a waste of time was a generalization, based on several trips to shops, in Tampa and in other towns. I was agreeing with a few others who were in a conversation that shops are not worth the $$. It's opinion. Even if I told you a specific shop and a specific girl, it still comes down to an opinion of whether I thought the service is good or not. And in my dozen or so trips to shops over the years, it's never been worthwhile.

I think I offended Holly by mentioning 7315 in the same post. I did not mean to imply it is the worst of the shops. I have no info that says 7315 is better or worse than any other shop. I believe Chase has explained why I mentioned 7315 and it's affiliation with the TEV blog.

In the interest of full disclosure, I see there is another shop that is tied in with the TEV board. Executive 19 in Pinellas Park. Again, to be clear, I have not visited that shop. However, I do find it ironic that a message board that purports to be a grass-roots source of legitimate reviews is looking more and more like a paid advertisement site with a chat room. And there's nothing wrong with paid advertising. But masquerading as a legit review board and then selectively running girls out of business because they don't "play the game" is where I have a problem.

Every girl (or shop) that willingly participates in the TEV scam is making it that much more difficult for the girls who truly want to remain independent and in control of their own destinies. Knowing what I know about the TEV board and the tactics that have been used against uncooperative girls, I will not see a provider who actively supports/enables what he's doing over there. Perhaps it's futile, but it's about all I can do. I think there are others here who are like-minded. Hence, I mentioned that a shop is TEV-positive in case that affects anyone else's decision to support that shop.