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[MongerSeeker]

I recently noticed that there is a company offering "Prostitution prevention classes" IE John School. Supposedly the provide certificates for the courts. This is a welcome change then having to listen to guilt trip from a some ex-hookers. The schools used to have ex-prostitutes that would yell at the guys about how they made their lives so awful. The guys were not allowed ask any questions or respond. Personally I stick to SW's. In my mind when girls work the streets it is their choice to do so. They can claim that they are trafficked. But they have the option leave or flag down a cop and tell them that a pimp is abusing them.

(https://courseforprostitution.com/st...hoC48EQAvD_BwE).

[JmSuttr]

Does anyone have any tips on detecting and avoiding escort sting operations. ?

I had never read through this part of USASG but I just noticed that the next thread down, about LE issues specifically in CA, has some excellent general advice. The most recent post is from a lawyer, which I'm not.

Well worth RTFF, in this case.

[JmSuttr]

Does anyone have any tips on detecting and avoiding escort sting operations. ?

There's no way to eliminate all risk but you can avoid most sticky (not in a good way) situations if you try to look at things from LEOs point of view.

For one thing, unless there are trafficking or underage factors involved, prostitution and solicitation are usually misdemeanour offences. That means it doesn't make sense to go after individual mongers unless you can catch a bunch of them in the same sting.

Even in this internet age there are still some places where the decoy streetwalker is used. I know some guys love the thrill of the hunt, and the cheaper prices, but this is the riskiest kind of mongering, IMO. Once you roll down your window and talk to the decoy they will make it their mission to arrest you. They've been known to make shit up and then you have to get a lawyer and fight in court. Just don't go there, that's my advice.

Another common sting is to post an ad, put the decoy in a hotel, and arrest mongers who come to the room. LE will have cameras and microphones and cops in a nearby or adjoining room. They'll also have any texts you sent and recordings of any phone calls. Once you're in the room, the odds are against you leaving without being arrested. Even if you think you didn't say or do anything incriminating, the fact you contacted an ad that was obviously about selling sex, and followed up by going to the hotel, means they can probably justify arresting you even if you say very little or nothing. As far as the cops are concerned, you can tell it to the judge. The way to avoid this sting is to do good homework in this forum and the review sites. Never go see anyone without a verifiable history of posting ads for at least a few weeks. And double-check on the local forum to get the opinion of others. LE will post a juicy ad, with appealing pics and advertised svcs, but it's like bait for a fish in that once the sting is gone the ad goes away. Real providers are running a business, so their ads are usually different and tend to stay up longer. If you contact a new, unverified, unreviewed escort, you're rolling the dice.

One thing that LE is always concerned about is the safety of their people. That's why a decoy won't get into your car and won't do an outcall to your place (home or hotel). I've heard occasional stories of supposed outcall stings but never seen any real evidence of that. It does happen that some ripoff girl will visit a client and then claim to be working with LE. Usually she says that after she has the $ and it's just her way of getting out of having to go through with the session.

So, for the monger, outcall is safest when it comes to stings. But there are a lot of other reasons an outcall can be a bad idea. But that's a topic for another post.

There are no shortcuts. Doing good homework, seeing only escorts with a track record of advertising and good reports and reviews. And always thinking with the big head. Good luck and stay safe.

[MongerSeeker]

Does anyone have any tips on detecting and avoiding escort sting operations. ?

[MongerSeeker]

It's possible we could see another nationwide crackkdown like "Operation across America". With the airing of this story. Arizona's H. B. 254 makes prostitution with a minor a sex trafficking crime. I am uncertain if the law applies to solicitation as well. In the end I still believe that sex trafficking is way overblown. Here in SD we keep hearing that there is somewhere between 8000-11,000 human trafficking victims in SD. So assuming there is all these victims why aren't we seeing or hearing more girls working online and on the streets.. I am still convinced that while there is some girls being trafficked. Much of this good PR for LE.

(https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/f...ng-in-america/).

[MongerSeeker]

Backpage.com site seized by feds.

I was visiting the BP site and noticed that the women seeking men was not working. So did a search on Google.

News and the feds have shut down the site. Hopefully we will see more SW's working in on west coast and elsewhere.

(https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...own/494538002/).

[Cephlapod Love]

The police post an ad almost every week here in the Chicago / Rockford area. LEO said in a news release that posting on BP is easier and more fruitful that running a street detail.

This is why it is important to know and follow the Rules for BP dating! Put the odds in one's favor and NEVER be afraid to walk away from a situation when the Spidey Senses are tingling!

http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/sh...s-For-BackPage

Can't tell exactly, from the press release, but I suspect the dude failed at rules, #12, #13, #14, #15, #19, #25 and especially #21!

[World Wise]

The police post an ad almost every week here in the Chicago / Rockford area. LEO said in a news release that posting on BP is easier and more fruitful that running a street detail.

[Crazy Jim Wood]

Would the police actually go through the Hassle of posting an Ad to snare Clients? Usually don't police answer an existing Ad and Arrest the Girls? From what I've seen and heard about most Clients get Arrested for picking up a Street Walker.

Yes.

http://da.co.la.ca.us/sites/default/...Prostitute.pdf

[Hargow20]

A lot of is due to the recent human trafficking crackdown we have seen in recent years. Personally I have never understood the what all the uproar was about. LE talks about how there all these minors around. Here in SD there is only 1-3 SW around. Even when there was a lot of SW's around I would only see 1-2 minors sometimes. Now perhaps there are some in massage parlors, but I am not just seeing them.

That Prosecutor must be running for re-election?

Typical news story. Focuses on the 0. 00001% of girls who are under-aged or trafficked to suggest that is what BP is all about! Misses the 99% who are entrepreneurs setting their own rules, rates, etc. Sorry reporting.

But that woman is an idiot! BP and places like it have done more to EMPOWER women to run their own businesses and get away from pimps, drugs and the streets! Shutting down the tools they use only hurts the individual woman and sends her to more dangers methods of plying her trade. Sad. Ignorant.

[Cephlapod Love]

CEO of Backpage, called 'world's top online brothel,' arrested on pimping charges in crackdown by Kamala Harris.

Seems like the AG is grasping at straws. The only upside is that this might possibly drive more girls back out the streets.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...nap-story.html

That Prosecutor must be running for re-election?

Typical news story. Focuses on the 0. 00001% of girls who are under-aged or trafficked to suggest that is what BP is all about! Misses the 99% who are entrepreneurs setting their own rules, rates, etc. Sorry reporting.

But that woman is an idiot! BP and places like it have done more to EMPOWER women to run their own businesses and get away from pimps, drugs and the streets! Shutting down the tools they use only hurts the individual woman and sends her to more dangers methods of plying her trade. Sad. Ignorant.

[Hargow20]

CEO of Backpage, called 'world's top online brothel,' arrested on pimping charges in crackdown by Kamala Harris.

Seems like the AG is grasping at straws. The only upside is that this might possibly drive more girls back out the streets.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...nap-story.html

[Hargow20]

WAZE app is a good way help spot cops and alert others to their presence.

[Cephlapod Love]

Would the police actually go through the Hassle of posting an Ad to snare Clients? Usually don't police answer an existing Ad and Arrest the Girls? From what I've seen and heard about most Clients get Arrested for picking up a Street Walker.

LE have several tactics they employ. Key point is that they need to make MANY arrests, no just one, in order to justify the cost of any operation. So be it s street operation or a BP / CL sting, the need to snare many to justify the manpower, planing and other resources.

So LE CAN and does set up in Motels. The women LE can and do post on BP and invite clients to come to them. The male LE will go on BP and call as many girls as they can to come right away.

There is a cable show that covers this and I have heard LE on the show explicitly mention sex acts for money. So what works on the street doesn't always work on BP. In fact, I have seen LE lie and say they are not LE while on the phone ordering a girl. If LE is smart they will ask you to bring party favors with you, as payment, or to set the mood. Solicitation charges usually are lower level crimes, where as the drug charges are felonies. Felonies don't go away as easily!

Don't fall into a false sense of security thinking the BP risk in nil. Thinking like that has you let your guard down, which usually leads to trouble.

[Ron M]

Let me throw this out there.

Can an LE setup ad legally include "No African American Guys" in the ad? Or "Must be over 35 yrs old"?

I would guess targeting (or eliminating) a particular race or age group would be illegal and might be thrown out in court. If someone had the funds to fight it?

Although I can understand the defendant did not have to respond to the ad, I am not sure if LE must be all inclusive when conducting such stings.

Would the police actually go through the Hassle of posting an Ad to snare Clients? Usually don't police answer an existing Ad and Arrest the Girls? From what I've seen and heard about most Clients get Arrested for picking up a Street Walker.