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  1. #1261

    Bad idea

    Quote Originally Posted by DavisJoe47  [View Original Post]
    I started texting a girl yesterday about a visit. She suggested I have her friend join us, and of course I was excited, especially after she sent a pic of her friend. We set up a location, and I was going to rent a room. Then she told me it would be 1000 for the hour. Keep in mind, I am going to be paying for the room that they will be seeing other clients in after I am done (and they didn't chose a cheap place). I told her there was no way I could pay that, and she eventually came down to 600, and I still pay for the room. I ended up telling her that I don't make enough to spend that much on an hours worth of hobby. Are people really paying that much, and renting the rooms on top of it? With prices like that I am not going to be doing this hobby much longer, I am going to get priced out of the market.
    Everything about this seems like a bad idea. I can only imagine being responsible for theft or damage. And that price is nuts.

  2. #1260

    Tastes like Candy

    I've seen Candy in North Phoenix a couple of times, and I highly recommend. For 200/ h I get as close to a true GFE as I have ever paid for. Mutual shower, mutual pleasure. Of course, your definition of GFE might be different from mine. Not the girl in the pictures, but nice enough looking. More curvy than the pics. Be nice to her, and be discreet.

    https://www.adultlook.com/p/3064435

  3. #1259

    Renting the room

    Quote Originally Posted by DavisJoe47  [View Original Post]
    I started texting a girl yesterday about a visit. She suggested I have her friend join us, and of course I was excited, especially after she sent a pic of her friend. We set up a location, and I was going to rent a room. Then she told me it would be 1000 for the hour. Keep in mind, I am going to be paying for the room that they will be seeing other clients in after I am done (and they didn't chose a cheap place). I told her there was no way I could pay that, and she eventually came down to 600, and I still pay for the room. I ended up telling her that I don't make enough to spend that much on an hours worth of hobby. Are people really paying that much, and renting the rooms on top of it? With prices like that I am not going to be doing this hobby much longer, I am going to get priced out of the market.
    That does seem outrageous unless you're getting a porn star, even if it is a double. A word of caution though. I have no experience with renting the room for a provider's use, but I've seen on this forum where if you rent the room and leave it for her to use, you can be charged with a crime.

  4. #1258

    New to the hobby

    Dose anyone have any petite providers? I'm new to the hobby and looking for a good reliable start. Thanks for any help given.

  5. #1257

    Too much $$$

    I started texting a girl yesterday about a visit. She suggested I have her friend join us, and of course I was excited, especially after she sent a pic of her friend. We set up a location, and I was going to rent a room. Then she told me it would be 1000 for the hour. Keep in mind, I am going to be paying for the room that they will be seeing other clients in after I am done (and they didn't chose a cheap place). I told her there was no way I could pay that, and she eventually came down to 600, and I still pay for the room. I ended up telling her that I don't make enough to spend that much on an hours worth of hobby. Are people really paying that much, and renting the rooms on top of it? With prices like that I am not going to be doing this hobby much longer, I am going to get priced out of the market.

  6. #1256

    Cherry

    Quote Originally Posted by DavisJoe47  [View Original Post]
    I dreamed I met up with this girl recently. I have seen her ads for a while and she always has great reviews. Nothing BB, but it was a great time, and good rates. She really gets into it, and talks dirty. Only down side was her phone was blowing up the entire time I was there, a little distracting, but she kept at it, and she really knows how to get the sensitive spots.

    https://escortbabylon.net/posts_view...793/4805689483
    I've seen Cherry several times. She does do covered for all. But she has let me DATY. But she loves all positions and talks dirty. She is very cool and can carry a conversation too.

  7. #1255

    Chandler

    I dreamed I met up with this girl recently. I have seen her ads for a while and she always has great reviews. Nothing BB, but it was a great time, and good rates. She really gets into it, and talks dirty. Only down side was her phone was blowing up the entire time I was there, a little distracting, but she kept at it, and she really knows how to get the sensitive spots.

    https://escortbabylon.net/posts_view...793/4805689483

  8. #1254
    Quote Originally Posted by DesertRat  [View Original Post]
    Here is my two cents for men new to the hobby.

    1. Purchase a burner phone in cash and do NOT call anyone but providers using the phone. If you get made by Law Enforcement destroy the phone and buy another. Yes I just destroyed a phone last week when I was asked to bring condoms and cigarettes to a provider from Listcrawler.

    2. Use TinEye.com to identify pictures from provider ads. You will often find the images are from other sources. That is a very bad sign that her pictures are fake.

    3. Listen to your intuition about ads, providers, and meeting places. Never send money in advance using a cash app. Never visit cities that run a lot of stings especially Mesa. Scottsdale and Tempe are also dangerous. If something sounds to good to be true it is. An 18 year old girl will not let you fuck her in the ass for an hour for $60.

    4. Anyone with less than one hundred posts on this forum is not reliable. Law Enforcement spend a lot of time sitting around waiting to arrest people. They can make 20 posts in a few days and lead you into a trap. If you are a member simply click on their name and read all of their posts. One member posted ten reviews in two days. I would not trust any of those reports.

    5. Lastly and most important. If you get detained do NOT speak to law enforcement. Ask to speak with an attorney. Provide a valid government issued identification card and then shut the fuck up. They will threaten you with everything under the sun but they are not judges or juries. You will be scared and intimidated by them. Anyone who said they are not scared is lying. Shut up and gut it out. I have an attorney on retainer but you do not have to do it. However, do have the name of a criminal defense attorney on a card in your wallet. They are going to take your burner phone so have a business card. I always park in a different area so they cannot tow my car. If you are NOT able to handle being arrested do NOT get into this hobby.
    Hi. What is the reason for destroying the burner for that?

  9. #1253
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbyJoe  [View Original Post]
    Everything said by the senior guys in this board is spot on. While I used to be way more cautious, to the point of extreme paranoia regarding where I parked (always down the street, never where instructed) to what I bought in for an appointment (nothing but the exact donation amount for the time requested), it is interesting to observe that the girls I've made acquaintances with are usually way more paranoid. This is why you may sometimes get ghosted while texting someone new, or flaked on during a first meet.

    After several months of a lot of effort and mediocre results, I changed my perspective on the interaction, and I've been able to relax a lot more. Essentially, I've learned to approach meeting listed girls the same way I might approach someone from tinder, but without all the mind games and bull shit. In essence, I pay a small sum for an opportunity to meet, and build a relationship with the people I click with. Here's a couple things I did to ease up and meet way more people with less effort:

    1) when trying to get an introduction to someone new, I text a lot of new people. I'll probably have 10+ conversations going so at once. This gives me an idea of who is responsive, and also gives me some message history even with the girls I don't end up meeting so that we can pick it up in the future.

    2) I never ask for or agree to receive anything other than a body rub for a first meeting over the phone or in text, and absolutely no explicit talk. If I'm pressed on what I want, I just say that I want a massage. This has actually been great because I'm usually able to get a lower rate when I specify I'm not interested in FS just a body rub. This is a perfectly legal activity, and the girls seem to respond positively to the discretion.

    3) for a first meeting I only go for half hour (or less). This is because I want to find out if the girl is a clock watcher. I've met some great girls that spent an hour or two with me because I happen to be great company on a half hour donation.

    4) if their profile doesn't have the look of legitimately representing who I might be meeting with I'll ask for a verification photo. This is a selfie with the girl holding a slip of paper with the date and her phone number written on it. If they don't want to do that, I'll ask what they would feel comfortable with in terms of verification, and that I can do the same. I've still gone even without this courtesy when I have a low indeed of suspicion and been pleasantly surprised but that's the exception. Also, if they're real and more importantly cool / chill / worth being a around, they'll usually do this for you (why wouldn't they unless they were hiding something).

    5) I never do outcall unless I'm at a hotel. I always go to their place. I scope the place out in advance of telling them that I've arrived and look for thugs / LEO / etc. Then I park down the street and let them know I'm there. I leave everything in the car, including my keys in a lockbox if I'm suspicious.

    6) I always pay in advance and reiterate that I'm here for a massage. If she tries to steer the conversation toward specifics I just say I'm pretty easy going and just want to relax, do you feel comfortable doing the massage naked, which they should be provided the way I found their contact info. Worst case scenario is they take the money and kick me out and they get a nasty comment on their profile to warn my fellow hobbyists. But usually their happy to offer the massage naked.

    7) I always treat my masseuse like a real person with feelings and innate value and establish trust though treating them like a human being.

    8) after everyone is naked making body to body contact the mood naturally lightens and if she suggests something other than a massage I usually just respond that I'm happy to do anything she is interested in, it's up to her, and its the truth, I'm not interested in some activity that a young woman isn't inviting me to participate in.

    As a side note, I've found the LC girls to be much easier to get along with than the girls on tryst / PD / Eros who generally feel more like business people than casual / cool acquaintances.
    Great suggestions and information. Thank you for sharing. Have not previously considered all your suggestions. But will incorporate them into my personal safety routine.

  10. #1252

    Jade

    I dreamed I saw this girl recently. She is beautiful, and she seems to like it and get into it a lot. Very nice girl, but she uses so much lube I can barely feel like I am in her. She used to go by barbi. I think the part I enjoyed the most was the CBJ. Prices have gone up significantly since she has started going by Jade, she used to do a visit for 120, and 50 more for greek, now it is 150 plus 100 more for greek, and no incall location anymore. I will see her again, she is one of the best looking girls I have met with, but next time I will try to get her to not use any lube.

    https://escortbabylon.net/posts_view...936/7027769717

  11. #1251

    My 2 c after my first year

    Everything said by the senior guys in this board is spot on. While I used to be way more cautious, to the point of extreme paranoia regarding where I parked (always down the street, never where instructed) to what I bought in for an appointment (nothing but the exact donation amount for the time requested), it is interesting to observe that the girls I've made acquaintances with are usually way more paranoid. This is why you may sometimes get ghosted while texting someone new, or flaked on during a first meet.

    After several months of a lot of effort and mediocre results, I changed my perspective on the interaction, and I've been able to relax a lot more. Essentially, I've learned to approach meeting listed girls the same way I might approach someone from tinder, but without all the mind games and bull shit. In essence, I pay a small sum for an opportunity to meet, and build a relationship with the people I click with. Here's a couple things I did to ease up and meet way more people with less effort:

    1) when trying to get an introduction to someone new, I text a lot of new people. I'll probably have 10+ conversations going so at once. This gives me an idea of who is responsive, and also gives me some message history even with the girls I don't end up meeting so that we can pick it up in the future.

    2) I never ask for or agree to receive anything other than a body rub for a first meeting over the phone or in text, and absolutely no explicit talk. If I'm pressed on what I want, I just say that I want a massage. This has actually been great because I'm usually able to get a lower rate when I specify I'm not interested in FS just a body rub. This is a perfectly legal activity, and the girls seem to respond positively to the discretion.

    3) for a first meeting I only go for half hour (or less). This is because I want to find out if the girl is a clock watcher. I've met some great girls that spent an hour or two with me because I happen to be great company on a half hour donation.

    4) if their profile doesn't have the look of legitimately representing who I might be meeting with I'll ask for a verification photo. This is a selfie with the girl holding a slip of paper with the date and her phone number written on it. If they don't want to do that, I'll ask what they would feel comfortable with in terms of verification, and that I can do the same. I've still gone even without this courtesy when I have a low indeed of suspicion and been pleasantly surprised but that's the exception. Also, if they're real and more importantly cool / chill / worth being a around, they'll usually do this for you (why wouldn't they unless they were hiding something).

    5) I never do outcall unless I'm at a hotel. I always go to their place. I scope the place out in advance of telling them that I've arrived and look for thugs / LEO / etc. Then I park down the street and let them know I'm there. I leave everything in the car, including my keys in a lockbox if I'm suspicious.

    6) I always pay in advance and reiterate that I'm here for a massage. If she tries to steer the conversation toward specifics I just say I'm pretty easy going and just want to relax, do you feel comfortable doing the massage naked, which they should be provided the way I found their contact info. Worst case scenario is they take the money and kick me out and they get a nasty comment on their profile to warn my fellow hobbyists. But usually their happy to offer the massage naked.

    7) I always treat my masseuse like a real person with feelings and innate value and establish trust though treating them like a human being.

    8) after everyone is naked making body to body contact the mood naturally lightens and if she suggests something other than a massage I usually just respond that I'm happy to do anything she is interested in, it's up to her, and its the truth, I'm not interested in some activity that a young woman isn't inviting me to participate in.

    As a side note, I've found the LC girls to be much easier to get along with than the girls on tryst / PD / Eros who generally feel more like business people than casual / cool acquaintances.

  12. #1250

    Exactly, why bother

    Quote Originally Posted by PhxFunLover  [View Original Post]
    They have a site, its password protected, I haven't bothered to try and get access because there are easier options out there.
    My sentiment exactly.

  13. #1249

    Nuts and Bolts advice to new hobbyist

    Here is my two cents for men new to the hobby.

    1. Purchase a burner phone in cash and do NOT call anyone but providers using the phone. If you get made by Law Enforcement destroy the phone and buy another. Yes I just destroyed a phone last week when I was asked to bring condoms and cigarettes to a provider from Listcrawler.

    2. Use TinEye.com to identify pictures from provider ads. You will often find the images are from other sources. That is a very bad sign that her pictures are fake.

    3. Listen to your intuition about ads, providers, and meeting places. Never send money in advance using a cash app. Never visit cities that run a lot of stings especially Mesa. Scottsdale and Tempe are also dangerous. If something sounds to good to be true it is. An 18 year old girl will not let you fuck her in the ass for an hour for $60.

    4. Anyone with less than one hundred posts on this forum is not reliable. Law Enforcement spend a lot of time sitting around waiting to arrest people. They can make 20 posts in a few days and lead you into a trap. If you are a member simply click on their name and read all of their posts. One member posted ten reviews in two days. I would not trust any of those reports.

    5. Lastly and most important. If you get detained do NOT speak to law enforcement. Ask to speak with an attorney. Provide a valid government issued identification card and then shut the fuck up. They will threaten you with everything under the sun but they are not judges or juries. You will be scared and intimidated by them. Anyone who said they are not scared is lying. Shut up and gut it out. I have an attorney on retainer but you do not have to do it. However, do have the name of a criminal defense attorney on a card in your wallet. They are going to take your burner phone so have a business card. I always park in a different area so they cannot tow my car. If you are NOT able to handle being arrested do NOT get into this hobby.

  14. #1248
    Quote Originally Posted by MyDixieWrecked  [View Original Post]
    If I may, I would like to offer a bit of sage advice. You come to this forum and have provided no value, and in exchange you ask for information on some provider you have your eyes on. It tends to annoy seniors for a few reasons. Lots of cash has been spent and sometime lost for the info we have here. Tonight alone, I was kind of "taken" by a street walker. I was only out a few sheckles so I will survive. But that is the cost of doing business, and a price sometimes paid. Now you join and you ask and ask and ask without ever having given. We have all done it, and it is annoying. So how do we correct this.

    Some of you are doing this already, and hats off to you. First, find a good report, call that provider, and stick your toe in. Leave your experience and add a detail that would perhaps be helpful. I like to use and image on my reports, a screen shot, so that when the number is needed it can be found in the "ad"I have provided. And be honest. We are also vetting you to make sure you are not one of our uncles. It would be bad form to run into members of your family here.

    If your post count is low, and all your posts are choosing beggars then you may be met with some unintended hostility. We all want to be safe, that is most important..
    Well (and politely) said.

  15. #1247

    Some advice to the noobs.

    If I may, I would like to offer a bit of sage advice. You come to this forum and have provided no value, and in exchange you ask for information on some provider you have your eyes on. It tends to annoy seniors for a few reasons. Lots of cash has been spent and sometime lost for the info we have here. Tonight alone, I was kind of "taken" by a street walker. I was only out a few sheckles so I will survive. But that is the cost of doing business, and a price sometimes paid. Now you join and you ask and ask and ask without ever having given. We have all done it, and it is annoying. So how do we correct this.

    Some of you are doing this already, and hats off to you. First, find a good report, call that provider, and stick your toe in. Leave your experience and add a detail that would perhaps be helpful. I like to use and image on my reports, a screen shot, so that when the number is needed it can be found in the "ad"I have provided. And be honest. We are also vetting you to make sure you are not one of our uncles. It would be bad form to run into members of your family here.

    If your post count is low, and all your posts are choosing beggars then you may be met with some unintended hostility. We all want to be safe, that is most important. One day when you are a senior you will understand this better, and that will pay off in spades. We all love Bubba's posts as he makes you smile even when he had a bad "date". We love swartz / poondoc too as he is just as entertaining with his black helicopter theories and actually has sound security advice some of the time. Pay attention and be a role model to future pooners and we will all have a good time. Best of luck in your searches gentlemen.

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