Wisconsin Faq

[NitroPimp]

IMO ANY touching for the purpose of sexual stimulation could be prosecuted, the tease and the masturbation included. Whether the monger would be prosecuted is a judgment call. Totally self-serve and "accidental" touching are another matter and the DA would have to consider the evidence and whether it was worth his time and the office budget. Pretty weak case, tho.

Thanks for your reply.

You kind of told me what I wanted to know. These girls that play with your balls and pour oil on you when you self-serve are subject to prosecution also. Just because they don't touch the head or the shaft they're still trying to help you with sexual satisfaction. Did I get that right?

Self serve can be ubject to interpretation I guess. I doubt it would make it in front of a jury. I don't think the stakes are high enough. Pay the fine and go.

Next question if you have time. Hypothetical situation undercover cop goes into the room. It's all legit in the beginning. He reaches for her ass cheek she moves away. He reaches again this time she doesn't move away because she thinks "! It's going to be okay you can't be a cop, right?" She feels like it's a safe bet to give him an HE. Can he do that? Or is that entrapment?

[Coldspy2008]

Thank you for your contribution. No I have several questions about the session and the HE and what leads up to that. Many of us know that the tease is probably one of the best parts of the whole session. Obviously if that occurred on an Undercover police officer somebody's going to jail. Right?

What about accidental brushes though?

But what about the old "I'll help you" techniques on self serve? Are they really allowed to massage your scrotum for the base of your cock? Many of them believe there's nothing wrong with that. As long as they don't touch the shaft or the head they feel like it's okay.

Then afterwards they take a hot towel and masturbate you with it anyways! So what are the legal implications of that even?

Or, what about a total self-serve where the guy does it himself? Should the girl even be in the same room? What liability does she have even if she doesn't touch?

Looking forward to your reply!

IMO ANY touching for the purpose of sexual stimulation could be prosecuted, the tease and the masturbation included. Whether the monger would be prosecuted is a judgment call. Totally self-serve and "accidental" touching are another matter and the DA would have to consider the evidence and whether it was worth his time and the office budget. Pretty weak case, tho.

[NitroPimp]

Many mongers and the ladies seem to think that simply by asking if the client or the lady is a cop or other law enforcement, that the officer has to answer truthfully. NOT TRUE! Cops undercover are permitted by law to lie. It is not entrapment, because the monger or the does intend to purchase / sell her services, and doing so is a crime. Entrapment only works when the person is enticed into the illegal conduct. In other words, but for the conduct of the officer, the person would not have committed the act.

Even fondling the provider's breasts, or other body part doesn't protect you. Allowing the monger to fondle is a consensual act and not a crime. But soliciting her favors is. Once you ask for rates or offer to pay you commit the crime independent of anything else.

My advice: meet your ladies only on referral of trusted friends, these fori, or another provider. Forget BP and CL unless you can confirm independently, that the erstwhile provider is one in fact.

And, yes, I am a lawyer.

Thank you for your contribution. No I have several questions about the session and the HE and what leads up to that. Many of us know that the tease is probably one of the best parts of the whole session. Obviously if that occurred on an Undercover police officer somebody's going to jail. Right?

What about accidental brushes though?

But what about the old "I'll help you" techniques on self serve? Are they really allowed to massage your scrotum for the base of your cock? Many of them believe there's nothing wrong with that. As long as they don't touch the shaft or the head they feel like it's okay.

Then afterwards they take a hot towel and masturbate you with it anyways! So what are the legal implications of that even?

Or, what about a total self-serve where the guy does it himself? Should the girl even be in the same room? What liability does she have even if she doesn't touch?

Looking forward to your reply!

[MaintenanceMan]

I know I saw an explanation somewhere but I can't find the post and the search feature didn't either, so what are the meanings of L1, L2, etc?

Levels (of massage): A Level 1 (L1) massage is massage with a "happy ending" (I. E. Hand job). Level 2 (L2) massage includes a blow job, and Level 3 (L3) is full service.

[Coldspy2008]

Concerning massages. If I pay an unliscensced "bodyworks" specialist for a straight up legit massage is it illegal?

Probably. The state or municipality wants to get its license fees. Also, they want to enforce the health codes.

[Coldspy2008]

I know I saw an explanation somewhere but I can't find the post and the search feature didn't either, so what are the meanings of L1, L2, etc?

[CreamCityDick]

Concerning massages. If I pay an unliscensced "bodyworks" specialist for a straight up legit massage is it illegal?

Many mongers and the ladies seem to think that simply by asking if the client or the lady is a cop or other law enforcement, that the officer has to answer truthfully. NOT TRUE! Cops undercover are permitted by law to lie. It is not entrapment, because the monger or the does intend to purchase / sell her services, and doing so is a crime. Entrapment only works when the person is enticed into the illegal conduct. In other words, but for the conduct of the officer, the person would not have committed the act.

Even fondling the provider's breasts, or other body part doesn't protect you. Allowing the monger to fondle is a consensual act and not a crime. But soliciting her favors is. Once you ask for rates or offer to pay you commit the crime independent of anything else.

My advice: meet your ladies only on referral of trusted friends, these fori, or another provider. Forget BP and CL unless you can confirm independently, that the erstwhile provider is one in fact.

And, yes, I am a lawyer.

[Coldspy2008]

Did you really mean to say that it's illegal to pay for company, a strip tease, or a massage? There are a lot of lonely people out there, just look at how packed the strip clubs get. Just paying alone doesn't make it illegal, but paying for sexual services is what's illegal.

You are correct. Getting a striptease or a non-sexual massage is not illegal. Lap dances may be, depending on how repressed your chief Leo is. I should have been more clear.

Sorry

[Too Nice]

Once you ask for rates or offer to pay you commit the crime independent of anything else.

Did you really mean to say that it's illegal to pay for company, a strip tease, or a massage? There are a lot of lonely people out there, just look at how packed the strip clubs get. Just paying alone doesn't make it illegal, but paying for sexual services is what's illegal.

[Coldspy2008]

Many mongers and the ladies seem to think that simply by asking if the client or the lady is a cop or other law enforcement, that the officer has to answer truthfully. NOT TRUE! Cops undercover are permitted by law to lie. It is not entrapment, because the monger or the does intend to purchase / sell her services, and doing so is a crime. Entrapment only works when the person is enticed into the illegal conduct. In other words, but for the conduct of the officer, the person would not have committed the act.

Even fondling the provider's breasts, or other body part doesn't protect you. Allowing the monger to fondle is a consensual act and not a crime. But soliciting her favors is. Once you ask for rates or offer to pay you commit the crime independent of anything else.

My advice: meet your ladies only on referral of trusted friends, these fori, or another provider. Forget BP and CL unless you can confirm independently, that the erstwhile provider is one in fact.

And, yes, I am a lawyer.

[Yyxx]

Yyyw? You from Racine? I have been living here all my life, you said something to the fact that escorts in Racine are old? I don't think so. Excuse me if I'm wrong about you saying that, please illiterate. I mostly work out of Madison, and Greenbay and sometimes Milwaukee. I think the Racine area does not have alot of traffic anyway for escorts.

Kenosha is a good area to work in.

Hello Angel,

I'm afraid you misunderstood me -- go back and read again. I was writing about the former Nancy Rae's Spa, where the women were in fact old (and ugly... shuddering at the memories). I meant no disrespect toward you or any other provider originally hailing from Racine.

[Angelofwis]

Please illiterate? Not even close but could you mean "elaborate"?

Oh I am sorry there College Professor that dont make mistakes. Yes I meant elaborate.

[X Factor414]

Yyyw? You from Racine? I have been living here all my life, you said something to the fact that escorts in Racine are old? I don't think so. Excuse me if I'm wrong about you saying that, please illiterate.

Please illiterate? Not even close but could you mean "elaborate"?

[Angelofwis]

Yyyw? You from Racine? I have been living here all my life, you said something to the fact that escorts in Racine are old? I don't think so. Excuse me if I'm wrong about you saying that, please illiterate. I mostly work out of Madison, and Greenbay and sometimes Milwaukee. I think the Racine area does not have alot of traffic anyway for escorts.

Kenosha is a good area to work in.

[PeeWee]

As all of Lefty's fans know = he led a very dangerous and violently criminal life·style

He was repeatedly warned by Yours Truly and others that he was playing with fire

There's absolutely no question in my own mind that Lefty is either dead or in prison =
Live by the SWord / Die by the SWord .....

Or the possibility of someone found out who he was in real life and threatened him with his life. Although a great writer and hobbyist with his entertaining reports Lefty did have some fear in him.

I think the main thing is, being a satisfied customer of providers that he was did he have full consent from his victims at all times. This was not always clear in his reports which might have lead to his downfall or disappearance.

You can play the passive role "letting the provider leed and call the action to be played" or play the dominate male aggressive role "and you call the shots of service" so long as full consent is maintained what's the difference? It's just a individual choice you should have the freedom to make but most escorts, escort agencies, massage parlor, ect, don't go along with this way of thinking and most likely why Lefty favored SW's to get it done his way and most of us cheered him on. so go figure.