Strip Club Reports

[SuperFreakOMG3]

That depends. What do you look like? Kidding. Kind of. It is part of the equation.

Bingo. I get that it's easier for some guys to just imagine the girl as a product you pick out of the grocery shelf, but these products have tastes / preferences / standards as well. It's not just about the money in the hand, it's about what's attached to the hand as well.

Below I will introduce all of you to Freak's Customer Scale. On a scale of 1-10,1 being Jabba The Hutt and 10 being Superman Henry Cavill. Ask yourself where would you rank?

(1-3) You're a less than average dude. You don't even get offers or taxed extra HARD. What is a less than normal dude? Extremely overweight, old, terrible hygiene, socially awkward, dumb. You make girls' p*ssies drier than the Sahara Desert. Girls have to give themselves a mental pep talk before they straddle you.

(4-7) You're an average dude. You get normal prices and normal services. Most of us are here, hence average. Some may get extra extras or discounts here and there, but those are because you got lucky or built up enough rapport.

(8-9) You're an above average dude. You get above average offers and services, and deep discounts or occasional freebies. In shape, attractive, fun, have the gift of gab. Basically you're the guy girls want to have sex with on a girls trip or a night out with their homegirls.

(10) You're The Top G. You get the same outcomes as 8-9 dudes, but more consistent freebies and free OTC offers. I haven't experienced it myself but I've heard of girls PAYING for the guy herself to get into the VIP. Girls will ask you a variation of "Why do you even need to go to a strip club?" (A compliment.) You look better than the 8-9 dudes but have a better lifestyle, higher sexual prowess, more charisma, more masculinity. All girls want you, all dudes respect you. You make girls moist and they're competing for your attention.

Obviously there are things that are uncontrollable to get to the 10 number (facial characteristics, height, etc.) but a lot of the stuff above is controllable. A simple one is the weight; 80% of Americans are overweight. Just being not fat makes you top 20% of dudes.

[KevlarProof]

What can a budget of 200 get you at COI?

So $20 entry at synn, maybe another $20 towards drink and tip. $80 Thursday VIP 15 minutes. That leaves $80 for tip. Maybe a HJ. But maybe some of the older less desirable girls may give more. I think I've had some come up to me and grab my crotch saying they'd smash in VIP for like nothing though that didn't really turn me on to want them LOL.

Now what you could do, just do standard lap dances with one you really like, build that rapport for the next visit.

[Roland2418]

That depends. What do you look like? Kidding. Kind of. It is part of the equation. If you are bargain hunting, it won't help if you are the fattest oldest slob in the club. And bring a bit of the dumb PUA game to the negotiation. You can catch some of them in the right mood on the right slow shift. But some of these top shelf robots will not budge off their high demands regardless. You can figure out which ones fall into which category if you search through this forum.

What can a budget of 200 get you at COI?

[Nutinyoface323]

What can a budget of 200 get you at COI?

A budget of 200 will get you blue balls.

[TenSleep]

What can a budget of 200 get you at COI?

Great question. Guessing you mean everything from entry fee, to required drink to cost of VIP room and then some action. I've never been to any of the clubs there, but based on what I've been reading over the years, I'm thinking you can get 20-30 minutes in a VIP room on certain days, and whatever the dancer is willing to do for free. My guess would be you will be able to touch her butt and midsection and maybe lick some nipple while she does some light granding over your pants with-out a tip, but more than that might cost you more than your budget allows. Also guessing that you aren't in those clubs enough for any of the dancers to recognize you as worth or not worth the effort financially.

There are probably some dancers who would do more, but not sure if they would be attractive enough to catch your attention. Maybe some of the semi-regulars could point you in the direction of a dancer or several, who are bargain friendly.

Good luck.

[SGHunter69]

What can a budget of 200 get you at COI?

[FreeWally]

I don't think prices were relatively high at HT and TL. Randy (RIP) just didn't take a huge cut for the house. It was amazing how low the turnover at REE was amazingly low.

I think that's a big change in recent years. There are going to be super slow days where no customer shows up for hours sometimes. Now the house has to pay salary even if the girls make nothing, and while half of it is psychological there is an added urgency that starts a vicious cycle.

SR COI instituted a new rule a little over a year ago counting how many days a girl got no vips, and if she did it enough she was automatically fired. A couple of girls were let go a the same time over this. It's worse at Synn, Paradise, and other Kim clubs where girls have to make tips so that usually means extras whether a little or a lot. Kim clubs are set up good for milking their girls and customers, the McDonald's of SCs, so they've gained market share.

So to your point there is a different kind of turnover happening and I see it mentioned in some IG stories. Some of the better strippers I know (in terms of service and looks) can't cut it, even though they'd be a perfect fit for Vegas.

You don't see the same sudden change in clubs from other states. Some clubs operate the same as ever.

[XBiker]

Old days ( 2000) Hawaii Theater & Tropical Lei set the menu, but they were more like a Cracker Barrel: cheesy, but a little "ambience" and the servers made a bit more effort because the prices were relatively high for the time. Then the Kim clubs took it down to the "gas station Wendy's" level.

I don't think prices were relatively high at HT and TL. Randy (RIP) just didn't take a huge cut for the house. It was amazing how low the turnover at REE was amazingly low.

[Rick James B]

Great analysis: It's the customer and the club changing.

Very true, although I view it more as a "fast food" experience: over 3 million customer served that same burger that's cranked out for everyone, sometimes it's hot and sometimes it's not, sometime the server doesn't give a shit, sometimes there's rat turds, etc. But it's convenient, and it is -- or at least was -- relatively cheap; and sometimes it's just what you need, want, and have enough time to get. And that's why fast food is so popular.

Old days ( 2000) Hawaii Theater & Tropical Lei set the menu, but they were more like a Cracker Barrel: cheesy, but a little "ambience" and the servers made a bit more effort because the prices were relatively high for the time. Then the Kim clubs took it down to the "gas station Wendy's" level. But then the customers changed from experienced long-haul truckers who knew the score and the proper price of Tang, into a bunch of single-mom boy-men simps who can't say no to a woman and never had a male role model teach them how to get the best deal on a used car. They were dazzled and paid what they were told to pay, and the price of poke her went up and up. So was it the Kim clubs, or was it the customers? The eternal question.

Now there's an "cynical old monger" rant for you. Get off my "carpet that doesn't match the drapes," you damn kids.

[LookingForHoe9]

It is hard to recommend one over the other since they're different and I keep switching. I spent 10 years on clubs, 4 years on kgirls, then 2 years on clubs including COI, and now back to a 2 year streak with mainly kgirls again. COI was a great break from seeing mainly Koreans, where I could meet young fit white girls like Stormy, sex addicted girls that love to fuck nonstop like Melanine. Even crazier girls like Pink who offered bb despite also trying for baby among other crazier facts.. But while you can get really far at COI clubs, you don't quite get full service with things like shower preview, consistent BBBJ, etc. So I'll summarize best as I can.

See the Los Angeles or OC forums for Korean BB or Asian pleaser threads. You know a girl is good if she gets pages and pages of very high reviews on TER, but TER isn't everything. Anyways, the fact is the very best kgirl and the very worst kgirl normally charge the exact same rate. The agency decides the rate. So if you find a girl you really like, you can see her over and over again as long as she's in town, no negotiation at all. But by the same token if you don't know any girls or your favorites have left town, you have to gamble and do trial and error with girls. The average kgirl service is great. BBBJ is standard and bb is often on the table if she's okay with you. You do have to get approved by the agency, and that is not something I can help with but anyone who uses HX just has to have enough network ratings to get started. I know mongers who have tried kgirls and go back to clubs, and the two main reasons are: at clubs you pick the girl, or they aren't into korean women or just want more variety. The average kgirl is older than the average stripper, but by the same token I have run into some young ones it's just not as common. And while occasional strippers like Pink have offered bb, most do not and do not even BBBJ. And it is more fun being buttnaked with a girl for a whole hour in bed and shower with full privacy, than less time in a booth and obstacles to fun. Hope that sums it up.

Great summary thank you! I think I'm going to hold off on Synn and SR and check out these kgirls. The way you describe it it seems much more intimate and cheaper than the average VIP experience in a strip club!

[PelicanT99]

This is all my opinion:

After mongering since 2002, I think the Kim Club model has ruined the strip club experience for me....Kim clubs seem to have industrialized getting a nut during a lap dance....They've "99 cents only" the experience.....

Very true, although I view it more as a "fast food" experience: over 3 million customer served that same burger that's cranked out for everyone, sometimes it's hot and sometimes it's not, sometime the server doesn't give a shit, sometimes there's rat turds, etc. But it's convenient, and it is -- or at least was -- relatively cheap; and sometimes it's just what you need, want, and have enough time to get. And that's why fast food is so popular.

Old days ( 2000) Hawaii Theater & Tropical Lei set the menu, but they were more like a Cracker Barrel: cheesy, but a little "ambience" and the servers made a bit more effort because the prices were relatively high for the time. Then the Kim clubs took it down to the "gas station Wendy's" level. But then the customers changed from experienced long-haul truckers who knew the score and the proper price of Tang, into a bunch of single-mom boy-men simps who can't say no to a woman and never had a male role model teach them how to get the best deal on a used car. They were dazzled and paid what they were told to pay, and the price of poke her went up and up. So was it the Kim clubs, or was it the customers? The eternal question.

Now there's an "cynical old monger" rant for you. Get off my "carpet that doesn't match the drapes," you damn kids.

[FreeWally]

As with anything, approach with respect and courtesy. That'll get you far. If you got the money they ask for or tip really well, you shouldn't have a problem. It's when you're cheap (like me, heh) or trying to haggle you'll run into problems of the girl saving you for last or ghosting you flat-out. And it makes sense, one shouldn't get upset. Why would she take you 1st when the guy offering 2 x what you're going to tip is available?

You make great points and I want to add to this. Generally if a girl gets an offer, she takes it or doesn't. If two guys are offering acceptable deals, she takes both. One after the other. You are not competing against someone who is physically there making an offer at the same time, because she would have taken the other offer if it was any good. The only thing is she may have a minimum $$ amount in her mind she won't usually go below (for many girls its 100-200, for GPS it's much higher). But if your deal is good she'll just take it on the spot. Your job is to get a good deal without knowing what her limit actually is, and without making her think your limit is much higher (even if it is).

Some girls are unreasonable from the start, looking for a mark who will pay ridiculous rates (I've been quoted $1000 by girls that aren't even worth $500). You don't know it until you talk to her, but the moment you realize this it is time to politely move on to a girl who isn't.

While I don't think a person should haggle over small amounts of money, what you are doing is correct and normal, what almost everyone does. Only some random new customer from out of town who is at a club the first time is going to get the hard sell with inflated prices. Because to some guy from New York, any COI price is going to sound dirt cheap compared to NY clubs where guys will spend thousands on a room. It's no different than me going to Tijuana and paying the inflated price of $80 to fuck the hottest girl there, when all the other mongers are begging me to hold the line at $60 like there is any difference to me between the two numbers. Same situation.

The trouble with getting marked by a girl and getting the hard sell, is you can't easily get out of it. If a $200 girl decides to ask you for $500, you can no longer get her down to her usual $200 without making her lose face. So I don't even bother trying. I'm not going to disrespect a girl for something like that, she's trying to make money and that's fine. I'm just not playing.

But here were talking the difference of a hundred or hundreds of dollars. So yes negotiate from a strong position. I tend to play indifferent or play dumb, ready to try the next girl. Which I am. I could spend hundreds more, I could afford it, but I won't. I have other choices and so do you.

[FreeWally]

Hotter AND cheaper than Cora? Sounds too good to be true haha. Mind if I private message you for some details about Kgirls? I'm new to this scene.

It is hard to recommend one over the other since they're different and I keep switching. I spent 10 years on clubs, 4 years on kgirls, then 2 years on clubs including COI, and now back to a 2 year streak with mainly kgirls again. COI was a great break from seeing mainly Koreans, where I could meet young fit white girls like Stormy, sex addicted girls that love to fuck nonstop like Melanine. Even crazier girls like Pink who offered bb despite also trying for baby among other crazier facts.. But while you can get really far at COI clubs, you don't quite get full service with things like shower preview, consistent BBBJ, etc. So I'll summarize best as I can.

See the Los Angeles or OC forums for Korean BB or Asian pleaser threads. You know a girl is good if she gets pages and pages of very high reviews on TER, but TER isn't everything. Anyways, the fact is the very best kgirl and the very worst kgirl normally charge the exact same rate. The agency decides the rate. So if you find a girl you really like, you can see her over and over again as long as she's in town, no negotiation at all. But by the same token if you don't know any girls or your favorites have left town, you have to gamble and do trial and error with girls. The average kgirl service is great. BBBJ is standard and bb is often on the table if she's okay with you. You do have to get approved by the agency, and that is not something I can help with but anyone who uses HX just has to have enough network ratings to get started. I know mongers who have tried kgirls and go back to clubs, and the two main reasons are: at clubs you pick the girl, or they aren't into korean women or just want more variety. The average kgirl is older than the average stripper, but by the same token I have run into some young ones it's just not as common. And while occasional strippers like Pink have offered bb, most do not and do not even BBBJ. And it is more fun being buttnaked with a girl for a whole hour in bed and shower with full privacy, than less time in a booth and obstacles to fun. Hope that sums it up.

[SuperFreakOMG3]

Any of you guys have any tips for getting girls, like do you just straight up wait at the exit of the dancer room and pick them up,(sometimes they have scheduled appts with whales) what if they are sitting in the VIP / high roller couches on side (Synn) will you walk up to them and ask for a dance. (Sometimes hard to know if girl is waiting for someone or willing to just do lap dances during a given night).

Just not sure how some of why'all whales / deep pocket guys spend like 20-30 min talking to a dancer. Like come on and spread the love a bit.

Methods to get a new girl's attention:

Basic - Tip her at the rail when she's dancing. Toss a few 1's in front of you, when she comes by and pick up your tip chat her up and let her know where you'll be sitting so she can stop by.

Basic (my favorite) - Sit in a high-traffic area and maintain eye contact. High-traffic would be anywhere near their dressing room (both Synn and SR) or if you know what "route" they take when they walk the club. This is my preferred way of doing it. I know it sounds silly, but it makes the experience feel more organic. I also think this allows better room for negotiation on your part. It was her choice to come up to you, not the other way around. If you approached her (tip at the rail, walk up to her, have a waitress get her to you) you have showed your hand and interest in her and lost some leverage for negotiating. This is assuming you have to time kill, if not and you're in a rush I suggest doing the other methods.

Moderate - If they're on the floor and just on their phone, you can go up to them. Don't be shy or scared. If they didn't want to be bothered they'd just hang out in the dressing room or chill outside and smoke a doobie.

If they're waiting for someone, who cares, they'll let you know and keep you in mind when they're done with their customer.

As with anything, approach with respect and courtesy. That'll get you far. If you got the money they ask for or tip really well, you shouldn't have a problem. It's when you're cheap (like me, heh) or trying to haggle you'll run into problems of the girl saving you for last or ghosting you flat-out. And it makes sense, one shouldn't get upset. Why would she take you 1st when the guy offering 2 x what you're going to tip is available?

Moderate - As others have said, tip a waitress $10-$20 and tell them to have your girl sent to where you're sitting. Make sure it's a new girl or a girl you already have good standing with; I've done this with a girl who wanted nothing to do with me (that's a whole different story) = The girl avoided me and my $10 tip went poof. The waitress was avoiding me too, heh.

I understand the frustration of guys taking up your girl's time. Understand that's part of the experience. Those 5-30 minutes talking to your girl can be the difference of a few hundred bucks in negotiations, a more passionate experience in the back, warming her up to do things she doesn't normally do (extra extras or OTC stuff).

I'd use that time wisely and scope the scene. Chat up the other girls or employees. It may just be in my head, but I feel that since I'm "cool" with the employees, they give me extra time in the back, or don't rush me to leave the back once time is up. Probably just confirmation bias, who knows. Either way, doesn't cost you anything to be cool with the management.

[LookingForHoe9]

This is a good strategy and did work well for me, I don't try it enough. I was new to Synn so when I saw Kaylani on stage I tipped her and she came over, so I took her to get just a lap dance to figure her out. She wasn't any good and asked for a $20 just to touch her AT ALL (yes you read that right), on top of the lap dance cost. See the problem is I spend $20,000 on girls a year and $20 is nothing to me. But this here is her telling me she is not a good value, she is GPS and will charge me a premium without any guarantee of being good. It is the only way to have a bad time, to have a girl charge you a lot and disappoint you because she wasted your night. It isn't about just the money but it makes it worse. In any case, so far I see she is not good at all, despite having a cute body and having waved her pussy at me happily on stage just 10 minutes ago for $3. I could ask to fuck her, I have the money, but at this point I don't want to because I have better places to be like SR. Whatever, I'm not going to say anything, I just played dumb and said thank you and when she asked about a room I said I'm new here and I'm about to go to another club so no thanks. I went to SR and had a much better time. I wrote about this experience if you scroll about a year back.

Hotter AND cheaper than Cora? Sounds too good to be true haha. Mind if I private message you for some details about Kgirls? I'm new to this scene.