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[Gaghoes]

Just because a woman is a prostitute that doesn't mean everything she says has to be rejected as having no weight. And these articles reference more than just a couple prostitutes. Its a number of unrelated women in different cities. Even if each is just given a little weight, they add up to a compelling case.

But it's not just that. It's also guys and gals running (non-abusive) high-end services who swear they made regular payments to TER to secure positive reviews. And well connected folks who run websites and boards. (And people in a position to know that I know, although I wouldn't expect anyone to take my word alone for it).

As for your other judgements, it's fallacious ethical thinking to demand that a concern for high crimes is only legitimate if one is equally concerned about small crimes. I think that most people understand that we all perform some balance of righteous and questionable behavior. And that some wrongs are worse than others.

I'm not a saint, but that doesn't mean having sinned once I might as well commit every possible sin imaginable. Or that I'm just as bad as someone who does. Or that I have no ability to make ethical judgements. Or that every bad act is equally wrong.

Prostitutes, by nature are hustlers. They make a living by acting and manipulating emotions (good ones anyway). And you're terribly naive if you start building principles and setting your moral compass based on their accounts of wrongdoings. There's more than enough wrong to go around in what we do...And to decide to avoid a good source of intel because someone is taking advantage of prostitutes, is ludicrous.

When you start using words like "rape" and "high crimes" to define what supposedly take place, it certainly does appear that your ability to make ethical judgments is quite diminished. If you truly think that a guy who demands services from a woman for exposure to keep selling pussy; is more devious than a guy who manipulates, forces, and abuses a woman for years on end so HE can profit from her selling pussy - we can call your logic severely flawed.

[Neurosynth]

The articles you posted are based on the accounts of escorts...so the source of the allegations are exactly what I said they were. But I'm not arguing that these claims aren't legitimate. I'm arguing that you have to be objective about TER just as you would any other source. I would be cautious about whole-heartedly subscribing to the word of a few ****** and using their accounts to form a moral compass.

Striking a deal with a prostitute who may or may not have a pimp and using reviews on a site that may or may not be run by a guy who exploits the reviewed - are not all the different at all. If you have the sort of principles that spoke of, you wouldn't be hobbying at all - no matter how you attempt to justify it. In this entire game, there are a whole slew of individuals being taken advantage of and exploited. Weather that be some TER reviewed chick, some monger who gets his wallet stolen by a SW, or your favorite escort who got turned out by a smooth talking pimp.

Just because a woman is a prostitute that doesn't mean everything she says has to be rejected as having no weight. And these articles reference more than just a couple prostitutes. Its a number of unrelated women in different cities. Even if each is just given a little weight, they add up to a compelling case.

But it's not just that. It's also guys and gals running (non-abusive) high-end services who swear they made regular payments to TER to secure positive reviews. And well connected folks who run websites and boards. (And people in a position to know that I know, although I wouldn't expect anyone to take my word alone for it).

As for your other judgements, it's fallacious ethical thinking to demand that a concern for high crimes is only legitimate if one is equally concerned about small crimes. I think that most people understand that we all perform some balance of righteous and questionable behavior. And that some wrongs are worse than others.

I'm not a saint, but that doesn't mean having sinned once I might as well commit every possible sin imaginable. Or that I'm just as bad as someone who does. Or that I have no ability to make ethical judgements. Or that every bad act is equally wrong.

[Peter Johnson]

Terrific. Hats off to you for informing her that that shit is unacceptable. So many of us walk away without saying anything.

What was the total damage done?

Yes Rental Man, the total damage for 30 min is very important info. I don't see her rates in her ad. But thanks for writing such a good and informative review overall.

[Bloofin]

First off let me say that I do not have a lot of posts and the ones I do are in the Chattanooga area. So those few of you that feel that if a poster has only a few posts then they can not be trusted, you decide. The reason I do not have many posts is basically because I do not participate in the hobby often only once or twice a year.
Now to my question; I saw that there is a new poster on Craigs List in Atlanta, "Sweetie Luv" the girl looks hot but I am always worried about someone that hot.

Thanks

[Gaghoes]

It could be that my view of TER is skewed because I know much more about the business in NYC and LA than Atlanta. But the allegations are far more than loose talk from a couple hookers...

bribes from high end agencies (near bottom of first page):

http://nymag.com/nymetro/nightlife/s...93/index4.html


NY Times coverage:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/us...se&oref=slogin


forced sex through intimidation:

http://valleywag.com/5015610/escorts...d+sex-industry

http://valleywag.com/5015276/how-the...escort-scandal

http://valleywag.com/389612/online-c...e-elms-of-rape


arrest record and current arrests:

http://elanso.com/ArticleModule/NOVm...YTDGwJ2Ii.html

As for pimps and such...yes, any activity that is criminalized is going to be dominated by criminals. Harmless folks who buy weed may also be benefiting some truly evil people further up the chain from their local nice guy stoner dealer. This is a powerful argument for legalization. The mob lost their monopoly on booze when prohibition was ended. Perhaps ending other prohibitions would have a similar result.

But back on topic...

It's one thing to strike a deal with a prostitute who may or may not have made bad choices in her life, and quite another to directly benefit a would-be high-tech uber-pimp and quasi-rapist like Dave of TER.

The articles you posted are based on the accounts of escorts...so the source of the allegations are exactly what I said they were. But I'm not arguing that these claims aren't legitimate. I'm arguing that you have to be objective about TER just as you would any other source. I would be cautious about whole-heartedly subscribing to the word of a few ****** and using their accounts to form a moral compass.

Striking a deal with a prostitute who may or may not have a pimp and using reviews on a site that may or may not be run by a guy who exploits the reviewed - are not all the different at all. If you have the sort of principles that spoke of, you wouldn't be hobbying at all - no matter how you attempt to justify it. In this entire game, there are a whole slew of individuals being taken advantage of and exploited. Weather that be some TER reviewed chick, some monger who gets his wallet stolen by a SW, or your favorite escort who got turned out by a smooth talking pimp.

[Neurosynth]

There isn't a RECORD of TER shaking down women, but there are allegations of that happening ...so really it's the word of a guy who has a review site vs a couple girls who sell sex for a living. Either one of those groups could be liars.

It would be ill-advised to make that kind of choice based on the word of a hooker or two. I'd stick to my personal experiences with TER which have all been excellent.

Besides...if there is such a thing as review corruption, its effects would be minimal given the large number of escorts in the entire country.

And if your principles led you to avoid supporting people that took advantage of women in the business, you'd have to hang your mongering hat and stick to free pussy - because there are these individuals called "pimps." And they are responsible for the availability of a lot more ****** than we'd like to acknowledge. Yes "independent" providers too...

It could be that my view of TER is skewed because I know much more about the business in NYC and LA than Atlanta. But the allegations are far more than loose talk from a couple hookers...

bribes from high end agencies (near bottom of first page):

http://nymag.com/nymetro/nightlife/s...93/index4.html


NY Times coverage:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/us...se&oref=slogin


forced sex through intimidation:

http://valleywag.com/5015610/escorts...d+sex-industry

http://valleywag.com/5015276/how-the...escort-scandal

http://valleywag.com/389612/online-c...e-elms-of-rape


arrest record and current arrests:

http://elanso.com/ArticleModule/NOVm...YTDGwJ2Ii.html

As for pimps and such...yes, any activity that is criminalized is going to be dominated by criminals. Harmless folks who buy weed may also be benefiting some truly evil people further up the chain from their local nice guy stoner dealer. This is a powerful argument for legalization. The mob lost their monopoly on booze when prohibition was ended. Perhaps ending other prohibitions would have a similar result.

But back on topic...

It's one thing to strike a deal with a prostitute who may or may not have made bad choices in her life, and quite another to directly benefit a would-be high-tech uber-pimp and quasi-rapist like Dave of TER.

[Gaghoes]

I told her that her clock watching ruined it for me and that I would not be back. Her comment was that most guys take advantage of the time.- I told her, first, I am not most guys, and second, say it at the beginning of the session, not during the heat of battle. Bottom line, I won't be back.

Terrific. Hats off to you for informing her that that shit is unacceptable. So many of us walk away without saying anything.

What was the total damage done?

[Ozymandias]

Since the other two look like they are best avoided how about this one?

Any info

http://atlanta.backpage.com/FemaleEs...wAd?oid=669571

Nicole has been around forever. She is a true ***** (I say this with affection) and will pretty much do anything, and she is one of those rare providers who, if she couldn't do it for money, would just ****-up and do it for free.

Be warned that those photos are ten years old or so. I myself prefer a tight, young thing, but if looks aren't super-important to you, she's a good ride.

O.

[Rental Man]

There have been a few questions about Red in Winder -- decided to TOFTT and went to see her this morning.

She uses a lot of pix in her posts:

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/ers/758403878.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/ers/757870591.html
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/ers/755784634.html

First of all.- those are pix of her. She is very tall, very thin, very small boob, and very smart not to show her face in the pix. Probably not a fair statement because it makes it sound like she is ugly. Not ugly, but her face detracts from her appearance. She has pretty bad overbite. She does live out in the boonies, just outside of Winder (on the north side of town), so she is not close to most of us. She meets in her home, a doublewide mobile home, which is actually quite comfortable. She has 2 kids and a diabled husband, who knows she meets with guys. That's because she is the sole support for the family and just bought her hubby a new pickup truck.- you may laugh, but I am not making this up.

She is a typical, sweet country girl. She is kind of chatty, but we quickly got out of our clothes. I asked her about the rules.- she said all covered and no greek.

This was my first time with a lady taller than me.- she is 6'3" tall and it was fun. Tiny little boobs, but those nipples quickly pop to attention when attended to. She started with BBBJ (says she doesn't do that to single guys, only married ones, so all you guys make sure you tell her you are married).- BBBJ was good, not great. She does pay attention to the boys, but says no to rimming me. I moved on to DATY and enjoyed it.- totally and freshly shaved. She responded well verbally to the attention. I was only there for 30 min, so I told her I wanted to go inside. She handed me a jacket to put on.- I asked her if she would do the honors. She said no.- and that she wouldn't expect me to put a tampon in her. Okay. She climbed on top for CG.- good ride. No kissing at all, but she likes her nipples to be pinched. Rode and moaned a little, then switched to mish. Those loooong legs are verrrry flexible and bend all the way back. Pounded her a little, but wanted some doggie before I finished, so we switched again. I almost needed a stepstool to get way up there (with those long arms and legs of hers, she had to be 14-15 hands high). Here she was able to take even more of a hammering.- and she pushed back on me as hard as I pushed forward on her. Sounds like an almost perfect session so far.- right? Well. I was within a minute or 2 of popping, but she chose to look at the clock and say.- you've used 25 minutes, if you go a minute over 30, you'll have to pay for the hour. Mood crasher.- so I let out a few expletives and told her not to worry.- I'd pound her for 5 minutes and leave. By the way, she had told me earlier.- no CIM, no COT.- just cum in the wrapper.

Anyway, I was able to pop. I told her that her clock watching ruined it for me and that I would not be back. Her comment was that most guys take advantage of the time.- I told her, first, I am not most guys, and second, say it at the beginning of the session, not during the heat of battle. Bottom line, I won't be back.

[Gaghoes]

TER has a record of shaking down women for freebies and bribes. Those that play along get *multiple* positive reviews. Those that don't get *multiple* bad reviews...or are just erased entirely.

This probably doesn't happen in most cases...but when considering any given provider how can you tell if the reviews are the result of this abuse or not?

Also with the owner now under arrest for multiple counts of various sorts, whatever stability TER once had can't be counted on to extend into the future.

Personally I steer clear of TER as a matter of principle because of how they treat the women in this business.

There isn't a RECORD of TER shaking down women, but there are allegations of that happening ...so really it's the word of a guy who has a review site vs a couple girls who sell sex for a living. Either one of those groups could be liars.

It would be ill-advised to make that kind of choice based on the word of a hooker or two. I'd stick to my personal experiences with TER which have all been excellent.

Besides...if there is such a thing as review corruption, its effects would be minimal given the large number of escorts in the entire country.

And if your principles led you to avoid supporting people that took advantage of women in the business, you'd have to hang your mongering hat and stick to free pussy - because there are these individuals called "pimps." And they are responsible for the availability of a lot more ****** than we'd like to acknowledge. Yes "independent" providers too...

[Bamasam]

Since the other two look like they are best avoided how about this one?

Any info

http://atlanta.backpage.com/FemaleEs...wAd?oid=669571

[Avionics]

TER has a record of shaking down women for freebies and bribes. Those that play along get *multiple* positive reviews. Those that don't get *multiple* bad reviews...or are just erased entirely.

This probably doesn't happen in most cases...but when considering any given provider how can you tell if the reviews are the result of this abuse or not?

Also with the owner now under arrest for multiple counts of various sorts, whatever stability TER once had can't be counted on to extend into the future.

Personally I steer clear of TER as a matter of principle because of how they treat the women in this business.

Funny that this topic came up. TER banned me last week. I've only posted a few reviews and of those only 1 was negative.

Your comments add a bit of clarity as to why I got banned.

[Boxcc]

The second report is for Amy. She is another BBW on CL. She is located close to Jimmy Carter so it is much closer for me. Again, she is a large woman, but very pretty with great tits!

Again treat her nicely and with respect and it will go a long way.

She is a very safe provider so everything is covered. She is very clean and you will have a great time.

[Boxcc]

Gentlemen,

New to the ATL board but have been a significant contributor on the Greenville, SC board. I haven't been as active in the last year or two but and getting the itch for the hobby again...

Anyway, two girls to post about from CL.

First, Enchantress Bee from Bartow/Cartersville. It is a hell of a hike to go see her but she is well worth the trip. Treat her with decency and respect and you will be rewarded mightily. Bee is a large woman, so if that is not your thing, don't go see her. Personally, I prefer my women with a little meat on her bones.

The bath is the key. She uses it to get to know you better. If she gets a good vibe and feels safe then the sky is the limit. I have seen her several times and each time is better than the last. She provides the closest expericence to a GF as you can get, so definitely a true GFE!

Second girl in next post.

[Dastranger]

TER has a record of shaking down women for freebies and bribes. Those that play along get *multiple* positive reviews. Those that don't get *multiple* bad reviews...or are just erased entirely.

This probably doesn't happen in most cases...but when considering any given provider how can you tell if the reviews are the result of this abuse or not?

Also with the owner now under arrest for multiple counts of various sorts, whatever stability TER once had can't be counted on to extend into the future.

Personally I steer clear of TER as a matter of principle because of how they treat the women in this business.

This is extremely rare and for the most part happens to providers in NYC, LA, and SF. This is truly not really an ATL situation. If it really bothers you, then I recommend looking at reviews (along with TER) for BD and here to get a truer overall picture.

Ultimately though imho, TER is the way to go in ATL. May not be true in other cities, but honestly I've *never* had problems using TER as a reference. Of course just like anything else, YMMV.