Yeah, I hear ya! This is very frustrating at times. Been there done that.
But I will say that IF one wants to take the time to learn a few things about the hobby it gets easier.
Hey, I can't tell you how many dates I walked away from in the past because the girl was late, etc. Yeah, my time is valuable. But with time I learned that these girls are doing this job because they aren't so good at time management or their lives are run by drugs. So you either cut them some slack and adjust, or adjust your style. I contact ALOT of girls these days and only chose to date a few? Why because I am able to weed out the flakes beforehand and move on before much time is wasted. I'd rather spend my time in DD than on a flakey girl or bad date.
So I note you have seen a few girls and those girls still reply to you! That's great! Good for you! Keep those girls close and keep seeing them regularly. Right now I have rich bench I can rely on and it is only when I wander off to try something new that it gets frustrating. But having the bench allows me to hit one of them once the frustration level gets too high.
Techniques?
1) SCREEN! I learned that I got to do the homework! Image searches, phone searches and SM searches! I am not trying to find every detail about her, just who she is or ISN'T. I Avoid travelers, avoid or look with a jaundiced eye at SC girls or those who also sell content. I Avoid girls with fake pictures. I ask myself, in a detached way: What does a reasonable search tell me? I avoid TGTBT photos and girls who are 10's.
2) Be direct! Too many Mooks just want naked pics or to "chat," so I try to make sure I distinguish myself from those idiots. That first note or text is key! (I met a girl recently and she showed me her phone - over 100 texts in a few hours after posting. What about my text is going to make her want to swipe right and meet me?) What I do? Show interest, compliment her and sell myself. I usually ask about a girl's donation for her time. I try to discuss what I want up front. I let her know I am ready to meet now, not 2-days from now, not an hour from now plus travel time. Hard part is to have an idea of how long it takes to get to her. I usually tell her when I am leaving and give progress reports. If I am not getting replies to those reports, It is time I think about bailing. I always show up on time.
3) Learn how to negotiate! Typical negotiation tactic is to devalue the item or point out its flaws. That never works with these participation trophy, self centered princesses! Try the opposite. I usually say what I have found I can do elsewhere. Also, I am selling myself as rational, fun, reliable, etc. I tend to leave some room in the middle for a compromise. Most girls who are having an average or rough day will come down some. Some will give you attitude! Love it when a girls cops a 'tude while trying to set things up. That avoids drama queens during the date. Many girls just don't get the concept of negotiation, so I move on. Negotiation is an Art form, it takes time and practice to develop what works, and there are many styles. I had to learn that Failure to do that and I wouldl pay "list" or too much for a drugged, SW type. But hey this is a common 'ailment" of many. But it can be cured.
4) Talk to the girl! I know the tendency is to set everything up through texts or SC or Kik. But before I set out to meet a new employee, I insist on calling and speaking with the girl! Period. Too many fakes or flakes. I even think there are 14-yo boys in their basement posting and giving out hotels to meet a dude at. So talking to a girl proves you are talking to a GIRL. Those who refuse. NEXT! I don't get stuck on any one girl, let the BIG head think until things are safe in the FC. Second, it is telling to talk to a girl. Can't tell you how many times I have heard a girl slur her words or sound "sleepy". I'm looking for signs of Opioid use where a girl could nodd off while I'm en-route or be a lousy date. Is she ADD and hyper? Does she sound hood or ignoranat? Do I want to continue with a date after talking to her?
5) Adjust one's thinking. These girls posting on the average sites (STG, KA,LC) are NOT "professionals" at all. For real pros you'll have to pay north of 300 to girls with a website, host in 5-star hotels or upscale apartments, have professionally done pics AND require screening. THOSE girls can and do (require) scheduling and will meet their commitments. The rest of the online crowd are hood rats (LC), drug addicts, streetwalkers who upgraded to the 'net and others looking for easy money. There is zero "professionalism" about these girls as most just do not get it! Once I accepted the fact that these girls aren't "pros" I was able to understand how they play the game and adjust to it! This isn't like scheduling a trip to the dentist or hair dresser. If these girls could show up on time, they'd probably have a real FT job! So once I got around to accepting that, then I was better able to adjust my "expectations!"
6) Be patient!!! Look, I flailed around for several years in the hobby: got flaked, got stood up, got ripped off, got bad service, got pimps busting in the room and all kinds of "experiences!" But I was patient with the process! While Mongering looks easy, consistently safe and fun mongering is anything but easy. I hate to say it but there is no 'magic bullet" or one easy technique that makes this easier. I spent a crazy amount of time "learning" how to hobby! and still spend time adjusting my style & approach. But I had to be patient with the learning process and learning curve. Sure one can "dive in" and learn experientially, but that often lead me to bad, dangerous situations. For sure anyone wants to avoid the "life changing" type of experiences and I truly believe that it can be done if one is patient with the learning process. Also, I had to learn that hunting girls is a process and if I am short for time, I am better off just hitting an AMP. Limited time and no patience with the process often lead me to snap decisions that wasted my time or lead to bad dates.
So that is what I can come up with real fast. Others I am sure can or will comment on the techniques. I am never afraid to step out on an anon MB and look "ignorant" or uneducated on anything as that ignorance can be cured by education. Lots of experience on these threads that can help if one asks. Shoot at one point I wasn't "getting it" and pushed back a few times, until the patient people finally got through to me. Use this site as a resource! Be patient and you'll get there!
My biggest thing is to talk to the girl. I understand that many only have a text app or wifi phones but that's not my problem. Talking on the phone helps me 1st make sure it's actually a woman that I've been texting with, not some pimp POS. 2nd I can feel the girl out a bit and avoid the complete trash with nasty attitudes. And it helps me to know what her rules are (ie will not do) and if she sounds like she might actually have fun. 3rd I know if there are upsales when I directly ask about what I'm looking for. I often will ask for a selfie with her holding up a pinky. Also deposit scammers will RARELY talk on the phone.
Yeah, I hear ya! This is very frustrating at times. Been there done that.
But I will say that IF one wants to take the time to learn a few things about the hobby it gets easier.
Hey, I can't tell you how many dates I walked away from in the past because the girl was late, etc. Yeah, my time is valuable. But with time I learned that these girls are doing this job because they aren't so good at time management or their lives are run by drugs. So you either cut them some slack and adjust, or adjust your style. I contact ALOT of girls these days and only chose to date a few? Why because I am able to weed out the flakes beforehand and move on before much time is wasted. I'd rather spend my time in DD than on a flakey girl or bad date.
So I note you have seen a few girls and those girls still reply to you! That's great! Good for you! Keep those girls close and keep seeing them regularly. Right now I have rich bench I can rely on and it is only when I wander off to try something new that it gets frustrating. But having the bench allows me to hit one of them once the frustration level gets too high.
Techniques?
1) SCREEN! I learned that I got to do the homework! Image searches, phone searches and SM searches! I am not trying to find every detail about her, just who she is or ISN'T. I Avoid travelers, avoid or look with a jaundiced eye at SC girls or those who also sell content. I Avoid girls with fake pictures. I ask myself, in a detached way: What does a reasonable search tell me? I avoid TGTBT photos and girls who are 10's.
2) Be direct! Too many Mooks just want naked pics or to "chat," so I try to make sure I distinguish myself from those idiots. That first note or text is key! (I met a girl recently and she showed me her phone - over 100 texts in a few hours after posting. What about my text is going to make her want to swipe right and meet me?) What I do? Show interest, compliment her and sell myself. I usually ask about a girl's donation for her time. I try to discuss what I want up front. I let her know I am ready to meet now, not 2-days from now, not an hour from now plus travel time. Hard part is to have an idea of how long it takes to get to her. I usually tell her when I am leaving and give progress reports. If I am not getting replies to those reports, It is time I think about bailing. I always show up on time.
3) Learn how to negotiate! Typical negotiation tactic is to devalue the item or point out its flaws. That never works with these participation trophy, self centered princesses! Try the opposite. I usually say what I have found I can do elsewhere. Also, I am selling myself as rational, fun, reliable, etc. I tend to leave some room in the middle for a compromise. Most girls who are having an average or rough day will come down some. Some will give you attitude! Love it when a girls cops a 'tude while trying to set things up. That avoids drama queens during the date. Many girls just don't get the concept of negotiation, so I move on. Negotiation is an Art form, it takes time and practice to develop what works, and there are many styles. I had to learn that Failure to do that and I wouldl pay "list" or too much for a drugged, SW type. But hey this is a common 'ailment" of many. But it can be cured.
4) Talk to the girl! I know the tendency is to set everything up through texts or SC or Kik. But before I set out to meet a new employee, I insist on calling and speaking with the girl! Period. Too many fakes or flakes. I even think there are 14-yo boys in their basement posting and giving out hotels to meet a dude at. So talking to a girl proves you are talking to a GIRL. Those who refuse. NEXT! I don't get stuck on any one girl, let the BIG head think until things are safe in the FC. Second, it is telling to talk to a girl. Can't tell you how many times I have heard a girl slur her words or sound "sleepy". I'm looking for signs of Opioid use where a girl could nodd off while I'm en-route or be a lousy date. Is she ADD and hyper? Does she sound hood or ignoranat? Do I want to continue with a date after talking to her?
5) Adjust one's thinking. These girls posting on the average sites (STG, KA,LC) are NOT "professionals" at all. For real pros you'll have to pay north of 300 to girls with a website, host in 5-star hotels or upscale apartments, have professionally done pics AND require screening. THOSE girls can and do (require) scheduling and will meet their commitments. The rest of the online crowd are hood rats (LC), drug addicts, streetwalkers who upgraded to the 'net and others looking for easy money. There is zero "professionalism" about these girls as most just do not get it! Once I accepted the fact that these girls aren't "pros" I was able to understand how they play the game and adjust to it! This isn't like scheduling a trip to the dentist or hair dresser. If these girls could show up on time, they'd probably have a real FT job! So once I got around to accepting that, then I was better able to adjust my "expectations!"
6) Be patient!!! Look, I flailed around for several years in the hobby: got flaked, got stood up, got ripped off, got bad service, got pimps busting in the room and all kinds of "experiences!" But I was patient with the process! While Mongering looks easy, consistently safe and fun mongering is anything but easy. I hate to say it but there is no 'magic bullet" or one easy technique that makes this easier. I spent a crazy amount of time "learning" how to hobby! and still spend time adjusting my style & approach. But I had to be patient with the learning process and learning curve. Sure one can "dive in" and learn experientially, but that often lead me to bad, dangerous situations. For sure anyone wants to avoid the "life changing" type of experiences and I truly believe that it can be done if one is patient with the learning process. Also, I had to learn that hunting girls is a process and if I am short for time, I am better off just hitting an AMP. Limited time and no patience with the process often lead me to snap decisions that wasted my time or lead to bad dates.
So that is what I can come up with real fast. Others I am sure can or will comment on the techniques. I am never afraid to step out on an anon MB and look "ignorant" or uneducated on anything as that ignorance can be cured by education. Lots of experience on these threads that can help if one asks. Shoot at one point I wasn't "getting it" and pushed back a few times, until the patient people finally got through to me. Use this site as a resource! Be patient and you'll get there!
This one have a number from PA but no reviews. She text me perfectly fine buy something just doesn't seem right. So I didn't known if anyone ever met her that could give me a little review about her to know if she safe.
Hey guys, as I mentioned I will be visiting your lovely city in a few weeks. I have come across three ladies, any input is greatly appreciated to narrow down my selection.
Sasha.
Cat Trina.
Alex.
All seem to fit my requirements of no candy, independent and higher end!
Links & Pics might help others recognize the girls and provide helpful info? Philly area is LARGE with over 1 M people and probably thousands of providers. Frequently we see big debates over who is who, because there are so many girls with the same name and confusion occurs. Pics usually fix that.
Yeah, I hear ya! This is very frustrating at times. Been there done that.
But I will say that IF one wants to take the time to learn a few things about the hobby it gets easier.
Hey, I can't tell you how many dates I walked away from in the past because the girl was late, etc. Yeah, my time is valuable. But with time I learned that these girls are doing this job because they aren't so good at time management or their lives are run by drugs. So you either cut them some slack and adjust, or adjust your style. I contact ALOT of girls these days and only chose to date a few? Why because I am able to weed out the flakes beforehand and move on before much time is wasted. I'd rather spend my time in DD than on a flakey girl or bad date.
So I note you have seen a few girls and those girls still reply to you! That's great! Good for you! Keep those girls close and keep seeing them regularly. Right now I have rich bench I can rely on and it is only when I wander off to try something new that it gets frustrating. But having the bench allows me to hit one of them once the frustration level gets too high.
Techniques?
1) SCREEN! I learned that I got to do the homework! Image searches, phone searches and SM searches! I am not trying to find every detail about her, just who she is or ISN'T. I Avoid travelers, avoid or look with a jaundiced eye at SC girls or those who also sell content. I Avoid girls with fake pictures. I ask myself, in a detached way: What does a reasonable search tell me? I avoid TGTBT photos and girls who are 10's.
2) Be direct! Too many Mooks just want naked pics or to "chat," so I try to make sure I distinguish myself from those idiots. That first note or text is key! (I met a girl recently and she showed me her phone - over 100 texts in a few hours after posting. What about my text is going to make her want to swipe right and meet me?) What I do? Show interest, compliment her and sell myself. I usually ask about a girl's donation for her time. I try to discuss what I want up front. I let her know I am ready to meet now, not 2-days from now, not an hour from now plus travel time. Hard part is to have an idea of how long it takes to get to her. I usually tell her when I am leaving and give progress reports. If I am not getting replies to those reports, It is time I think about bailing. I always show up on time.
3) Learn how to negotiate! Typical negotiation tactic is to devalue the item or point out its flaws. That never works with these participation trophy, self centered princesses! Try the opposite. I usually say what I have found I can do elsewhere. Also, I am selling myself as rational, fun, reliable, etc. I tend to leave some room in the middle for a compromise. Most girls who are having an average or rough day will come down some. Some will give you attitude! Love it when a girls cops a 'tude while trying to set things up. That avoids drama queens during the date. Many girls just don't get the concept of negotiation, so I move on. Negotiation is an Art form, it takes time and practice to develop what works, and there are many styles. I had to learn that Failure to do that and I wouldl pay "list" or too much for a drugged, SW type. But hey this is a common 'ailment" of many. But it can be cured.
4) Talk to the girl! I know the tendency is to set everything up through texts or SC or Kik. But before I set out to meet a new employee, I insist on calling and speaking with the girl! Period. Too many fakes or flakes. I even think there are 14-yo boys in their basement posting and giving out hotels to meet a dude at. So talking to a girl proves you are talking to a GIRL. Those who refuse. NEXT! I don't get stuck on any one girl, let the BIG head think until things are safe in the FC. Second, it is telling to talk to a girl. Can't tell you how many times I have heard a girl slur her words or sound "sleepy". I'm looking for signs of Opioid use where a girl could nodd off while I'm en-route or be a lousy date. Is she ADD and hyper? Does she sound hood or ignoranat? Do I want to continue with a date after talking to her?
5) Adjust one's thinking. These girls posting on the average sites (STG, KA,LC) are NOT "professionals" at all. For real pros you'll have to pay north of 300 to girls with a website, host in 5-star hotels or upscale apartments, have professionally done pics AND require screening. THOSE girls can and do (require) scheduling and will meet their commitments. The rest of the online crowd are hood rats (LC), drug addicts, streetwalkers who upgraded to the 'net and others looking for easy money. There is zero "professionalism" about these girls as most just do not get it! Once I accepted the fact that these girls aren't "pros" I was able to understand how they play the game and adjust to it! This isn't like scheduling a trip to the dentist or hair dresser. If these girls could show up on time, they'd probably have a real FT job! So once I got around to accepting that, then I was better able to adjust my "expectations!"
6) Be patient!!! Look, I flailed around for several years in the hobby: got flaked, got stood up, got ripped off, got bad service, got pimps busting in the room and all kinds of "experiences!" But I was patient with the process! While Mongering looks easy, consistently safe and fun mongering is anything but easy. I hate to say it but there is no 'magic bullet" or one easy technique that makes this easier. I spent a crazy amount of time "learning" how to hobby! and still spend time adjusting my style & approach. But I had to be patient with the learning process and learning curve. Sure one can "dive in" and learn experientially, but that often lead me to bad, dangerous situations. For sure anyone wants to avoid the "life changing" type of experiences and I truly believe that it can be done if one is patient with the learning process. Also, I had to learn that hunting girls is a process and if I am short for time, I am better off just hitting an AMP. Limited time and no patience with the process often lead me to snap decisions that wasted my time or lead to bad dates.
So that is what I can come up with real fast. Others I am sure can or will comment on the techniques. I am never afraid to step out on an anon MB and look "ignorant" or uneducated on anything as that ignorance can be cured by education. Lots of experience on these threads that can help if one asks. Shoot at one point I wasn't "getting it" and pushed back a few times, until the patient people finally got through to me. Use this site as a resource! Be patient and you'll get there!
As always, good words. Good advice in there. I know you're always long winded but always have some very good advice🤣. And have helped many along the way as well. Thank you.
Yeah, I hear ya! This is very frustrating at times. Been there done that.
But I will say that IF one wants to take the time to learn a few things about the hobby it gets easier.
Hey, I can't tell you how many dates I walked away from in the past because the girl was late, etc. Yeah, my time is valuable. But with time I learned that these girls are doing this job because they aren't so good at time management or their lives are run by drugs. So you either cut them some slack and adjust, or adjust your style. I contact ALOT of girls these days and only chose to date a few? Why because I am able to weed out the flakes beforehand and move on before much time is wasted. I'd rather spend my time in DD than on a flakey girl or bad date.
So I note you have seen a few girls and those girls still reply to you! That's great! Good for you! Keep those girls close and keep seeing them regularly. Right now I have rich bench I can rely on and it is only when I wander off to try something new that it gets frustrating. But having the bench allows me to hit one of them once the frustration level gets too high.
Techniques?
1) SCREEN! I learned that I got to do the homework! Image searches, phone searches and SM searches! I am not trying to find every detail about her, just who she is or ISN'T. I Avoid travelers, avoid or look with a jaundiced eye at SC girls or those who also sell content. I Avoid girls with fake pictures. I ask myself, in a detached way: What does a reasonable search tell me? I avoid TGTBT photos and girls who are 10's.
2) Be direct! Too many Mooks just want naked pics or to "chat," so I try to make sure I distinguish myself from those idiots. That first note or text is key! (I met a girl recently and she showed me her phone - over 100 texts in a few hours after posting. What about my text is going to make her want to swipe right and meet me?) What I do? Show interest, compliment her and sell myself. I usually ask about a girl's donation for her time. I try to discuss what I want up front. I let her know I am ready to meet now, not 2-days from now, not an hour from now plus travel time. Hard part is to have an idea of how long it takes to get to her. I usually tell her when I am leaving and give progress reports. If I am not getting replies to those reports, It is time I think about bailing. I always show up on time.
3) Learn how to negotiate! Typical negotiation tactic is to devalue the item or point out its flaws. That never works with these participation trophy, self centered princesses! Try the opposite. I usually say what I have found I can do elsewhere. Also, I am selling myself as rational, fun, reliable, etc. I tend to leave some room in the middle for a compromise. Most girls who are having an average or rough day will come down some. Some will give you attitude! Love it when a girls cops a 'tude while trying to set things up. That avoids drama queens during the date. Many girls just don't get the concept of negotiation, so I move on. Negotiation is an Art form, it takes time and practice to develop what works, and there are many styles. I had to learn that Failure to do that and I wouldl pay "list" or too much for a drugged, SW type. But hey this is a common 'ailment" of many. But it can be cured.
4) Talk to the girl! I know the tendency is to set everything up through texts or SC or Kik. But before I set out to meet a new employee, I insist on calling and speaking with the girl! Period. Too many fakes or flakes. I even think there are 14-yo boys in their basement posting and giving out hotels to meet a dude at. So talking to a girl proves you are talking to a GIRL. Those who refuse. NEXT! I don't get stuck on any one girl, let the BIG head think until things are safe in the FC. Second, it is telling to talk to a girl. Can't tell you how many times I have heard a girl slur her words or sound "sleepy". I'm looking for signs of Opioid use where a girl could nodd off while I'm en-route or be a lousy date. Is she ADD and hyper? Does she sound hood or ignoranat? Do I want to continue with a date after talking to her?
5) Adjust one's thinking. These girls posting on the average sites (STG, KA,LC) are NOT "professionals" at all. For real pros you'll have to pay north of 300 to girls with a website, host in 5-star hotels or upscale apartments, have professionally done pics AND require screening. THOSE girls can and do (require) scheduling and will meet their commitments. The rest of the online crowd are hood rats (LC), drug addicts, streetwalkers who upgraded to the 'net and others looking for easy money. There is zero "professionalism" about these girls as most just do not get it! Once I accepted the fact that these girls aren't "pros" I was able to understand how they play the game and adjust to it! This isn't like scheduling a trip to the dentist or hair dresser. If these girls could show up on time, they'd probably have a real FT job! So once I got around to accepting that, then I was better able to adjust my "expectations!"
6) Be patient!!! Look, I flailed around for several years in the hobby: got flaked, got stood up, got ripped off, got bad service, got pimps busting in the room and all kinds of "experiences!" But I was patient with the process! While Mongering looks easy, consistently safe and fun mongering is anything but easy. I hate to say it but there is no 'magic bullet" or one easy technique that makes this easier. I spent a crazy amount of time "learning" how to hobby! and still spend time adjusting my style & approach. But I had to be patient with the learning process and learning curve. Sure one can "dive in" and learn experientially, but that often lead me to bad, dangerous situations. For sure anyone wants to avoid the "life changing" type of experiences and I truly believe that it can be done if one is patient with the learning process. Also, I had to learn that hunting girls is a process and if I am short for time, I am better off just hitting an AMP. Limited time and no patience with the process often lead me to snap decisions that wasted my time or lead to bad dates.
So that is what I can come up with real fast. Others I am sure can or will comment on the techniques. I am never afraid to step out on an anon MB and look "ignorant" or uneducated on anything as that ignorance can be cured by education. Lots of experience on these threads that can help if one asks. Shoot at one point I wasn't "getting it" and pushed back a few times, until the patient people finally got through to me. Use this site as a resource! Be patient and you'll get there!
For me this is the most frustrating part of this business. Trying to contact "the girl". You get a text sometimes. You get a location at the last minute. You wait some more and sometimes nothing. I wasted so much time with these "professional women". Not sure if some people have any tips. I tried to set it up a few hours before I can meet. I tried to set up meets right away. Doesn't seem to matter. I used to try to bargain. Now I say that price is fine and still have to wait or even not hear back from them. I even say if I have to wait at some location for more than 10 minutes I leave. I have very limited time and I am not patient. I left so many hotel parking lots. Its crazy. When I finally get a few girls that have seen me. They respond to me right away, I don't wait. But for the love of god. These regular "pro" girls disappear (get a boy friend, get clean or get too deep in their habit) and I have to start all over again. I know some guys may like the chase. Or hunt. Not me. Give me a decent looking girl who seems to enjoy her time with me, cost are reasonable and keep a schedule. I am sold. Even happens on seeking too. So many Flakes out there. Anyone have a technique?
Yeah, I hear ya! This is very frustrating at times. Been there done that.
But I will say that IF one wants to take the time to learn a few things about the hobby it gets easier.
Hey, I can't tell you how many dates I walked away from in the past because the girl was late, etc. Yeah, my time is valuable. But with time I learned that these girls are doing this job because they aren't so good at time management or their lives are run by drugs. So you either cut them some slack and adjust, or adjust your style. I contact ALOT of girls these days and only chose to date a few? Why because I am able to weed out the flakes beforehand and move on before much time is wasted. I'd rather spend my time in DD than on a flakey girl or bad date.
So I note you have seen a few girls and those girls still reply to you! That's great! Good for you! Keep those girls close and keep seeing them regularly. Right now I have rich bench I can rely on and it is only when I wander off to try something new that it gets frustrating. But having the bench allows me to hit one of them once the frustration level gets too high.
Techniques?
1) SCREEN! I learned that I got to do the homework! Image searches, phone searches and SM searches! I am not trying to find every detail about her, just who she is or ISN'T. I Avoid travelers, avoid or look with a jaundiced eye at SC girls or those who also sell content. I Avoid girls with fake pictures. I ask myself, in a detached way: What does a reasonable search tell me? I avoid TGTBT photos and girls who are 10's.
2) Be direct! Too many Mooks just want naked pics or to "chat," so I try to make sure I distinguish myself from those idiots. That first note or text is key! (I met a girl recently and she showed me her phone - over 100 texts in a few hours after posting. What about my text is going to make her want to swipe right and meet me?) What I do? Show interest, compliment her and sell myself. I usually ask about a girl's donation for her time. I try to discuss what I want up front. I let her know I am ready to meet now, not 2-days from now, not an hour from now plus travel time. Hard part is to have an idea of how long it takes to get to her. I usually tell her when I am leaving and give progress reports. If I am not getting replies to those reports, It is time I think about bailing. I always show up on time.
3) Learn how to negotiate! Typical negotiation tactic is to devalue the item or point out its flaws. That never works with these participation trophy, self centered princesses! Try the opposite. I usually say what I have found I can do elsewhere. Also, I am selling myself as rational, fun, reliable, etc. I tend to leave some room in the middle for a compromise. Most girls who are having an average or rough day will come down some. Some will give you attitude! Love it when a girls cops a 'tude while trying to set things up. That avoids drama queens during the date. Many girls just don't get the concept of negotiation, so I move on. Negotiation is an Art form, it takes time and practice to develop what works, and there are many styles. I had to learn that Failure to do that and I wouldl pay "list" or too much for a drugged, SW type. But hey this is a common 'ailment" of many. But it can be cured.
4) Talk to the girl! I know the tendency is to set everything up through texts or SC or Kik. But before I set out to meet a new employee, I insist on calling and speaking with the girl! Period. Too many fakes or flakes. I even think there are 14-yo boys in their basement posting and giving out hotels to meet a dude at. So talking to a girl proves you are talking to a GIRL. Those who refuse. NEXT! I don't get stuck on any one girl, let the BIG head think until things are safe in the FC. Second, it is telling to talk to a girl. Can't tell you how many times I have heard a girl slur her words or sound "sleepy". I'm looking for signs of Opioid use where a girl could nodd off while I'm en-route or be a lousy date. Is she ADD and hyper? Does she sound hood or ignoranat? Do I want to continue with a date after talking to her?
5) Adjust one's thinking. These girls posting on the average sites (STG, KA,LC) are NOT "professionals" at all. For real pros you'll have to pay north of 300 to girls with a website, host in 5-star hotels or upscale apartments, have professionally done pics AND require screening. THOSE girls can and do (require) scheduling and will meet their commitments. The rest of the online crowd are hood rats (LC), drug addicts, streetwalkers who upgraded to the 'net and others looking for easy money. There is zero "professionalism" about these girls as most just do not get it! Once I accepted the fact that these girls aren't "pros" I was able to understand how they play the game and adjust to it! This isn't like scheduling a trip to the dentist or hair dresser. If these girls could show up on time, they'd probably have a real FT job! So once I got around to accepting that, then I was better able to adjust my "expectations!"
6) Be patient!!! Look, I flailed around for several years in the hobby: got flaked, got stood up, got ripped off, got bad service, got pimps busting in the room and all kinds of "experiences!" But I was patient with the process! While Mongering looks easy, consistently safe and fun mongering is anything but easy. I hate to say it but there is no 'magic bullet" or one easy technique that makes this easier. I spent a crazy amount of time "learning" how to hobby! and still spend time adjusting my style & approach. But I had to be patient with the learning process and learning curve. Sure one can "dive in" and learn experientially, but that often lead me to bad, dangerous situations. For sure anyone wants to avoid the "life changing" type of experiences and I truly believe that it can be done if one is patient with the learning process. Also, I had to learn that hunting girls is a process and if I am short for time, I am better off just hitting an AMP. Limited time and no patience with the process often lead me to snap decisions that wasted my time or lead to bad dates.
So that is what I can come up with real fast. Others I am sure can or will comment on the techniques. I am never afraid to step out on an anon MB and look "ignorant" or uneducated on anything as that ignorance can be cured by education. Lots of experience on these threads that can help if one asks. Shoot at one point I wasn't "getting it" and pushed back a few times, until the patient people finally got through to me. Use this site as a resource! Be patient and you'll get there!
Unfortunately, this is the the nature of the game and I feel you 100%. First off, these girls get tons of texts and calls so it's basically the luck of the draw unless you've seen her before and she remembers you. The hotel parking lot comment made me laugh cause I've been there many times in the past too. That's why I don't go to Philly anymore. I've wasted so much time and gas getting flaked on, I'm done driving far. Imo your best bet is to be in the general area of the girl you're interested in and tell her that you're ready to meet NOW if she answers you. Making an appt hours in advance will never work.
This is exactly correct.
Once your number is saved in some chicks phone, MAYBE she will answer you before the other random guys. But until then your just one of a dozen messages an hour. I was with a chick last week and she showed me 10 different people that had messaged her in the 35 minutes we were busy. No way they have time to check or answer all of them. One of my Jersey Girls will always answer me, just because I occasionally bring her chocolate or skin lotion. You have to give them a reason to give you some priority.
And if you're driving around the city chasing them, it's a game of whack-a-mole. Fuck that.
I figure out what my stops in the area are on a day when I have play time, and start calling whoever might be on the route. If I get an answer, I adjust my route to make it happen. But I make sure to tell them I can't wait, that after 10 minutes I'm out. I'll wait long enough to message the next few possibilities, and then I jet.
There are maybe 2 women in NJ that you can schedule w in advance, but they're the only ones I've ever met that follow through.
For me this is the most frustrating part of this business. Trying to contact "the girl". You get a text sometimes. You get a location at the last minute. You wait some more and sometimes nothing. I wasted so much time with these "professional women". Not sure if some people have any tips. I tried to set it up a few hours before I can meet. I tried to set up meets right away. Doesn't seem to matter. I used to try to bargain. Now I say that price is fine and still have to wait or even not hear back from them. I even say if I have to wait at some location for more than 10 minutes I leave. I have very limited time and I am not patient. I left so many hotel parking lots. Its crazy. When I finally get a few girls that have seen me. They respond to me right away, I don't wait. But for the love of god. These regular "pro" girls disappear (get a boy friend, get clean or get too deep in their habit) and I have to start all over again. I know some guys may like the chase. Or hunt. Not me. Give me a decent looking girl who seems to enjoy her time with me, cost are reasonable and keep a schedule. I am sold. Even happens on seeking too. So many Flakes out there. Anyone have a technique?
Unfortunately, this is the the nature of the game and I feel you 100%. First off, these girls get tons of texts and calls so it's basically the luck of the draw unless you've seen her before and she remembers you. The hotel parking lot comment made me laugh cause I've been there many times in the past too. That's why I don't go to Philly anymore. I've wasted so much time and gas getting flaked on, I'm done driving far. Imo your best bet is to be in the general area of the girl you're interested in and tell her that you're ready to meet NOW if she answers you. Making an appt hours in advance will never work.
This one have a number from PA but no reviews. She text me perfectly fine buy something just doesn't seem right. So I didn't known if anyone ever met her that could give me a little review about her to know if she safe.
I seen some love for Kammy here but I've had such a hard time trying to link up with her. A few weeks ago we had plans for the me to be at her place early one morning- got there, called / texted / waited and then left. Texted her periodically for a few more days and she totally ghosted me. She has a new number so I tried that today asking if I could come up, "yes- I'm ready", I reply and then still 3 hours later silence. I don't get it. Anyone else have experience like this with her? Thanks in advance!
For me this is the most frustrating part of this business. Trying to contact "the girl". You get a text sometimes. You get a location at the last minute. You wait some more and sometimes nothing. I wasted so much time with these "professional women". Not sure if some people have any tips. I tried to set it up a few hours before I can meet. I tried to set up meets right away. Doesn't seem to matter. I used to try to bargain. Now I say that price is fine and still have to wait or even not hear back from them. I even say if I have to wait at some location for more than 10 minutes I leave. I have very limited time and I am not patient. I left so many hotel parking lots. Its crazy. When I finally get a few girls that have seen me. They respond to me right away, I don't wait. But for the love of god. These regular "pro" girls disappear (get a boy friend, get clean or get too deep in their habit) and I have to start all over again. I know some guys may like the chase. Or hunt. Not me. Give me a decent looking girl who seems to enjoy her time with me, cost are reasonable and keep a schedule. I am sold. Even happens on seeking too. So many Flakes out there. Anyone have a technique?
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