General Reports

[JTerry26]

(Cross posted in Philly Sugar blog below as well).

So I'm at the end of my month. I have to say it was a success although like many things in life you get out of it what you put into it. Takes work and persistence. I've seen 3 woman (2 2 x each and 1 just for lunch) and another I'm texting with and am told by others in the Philly Sugar blog that she's available. So assuming my upcoming 'date' with the lunch woman goes well and assuming I can get with the 4th, I hit my goal of meeting 3-4 woman, all relatively local (suburbs). A couple of notes:

1) Moving to texts and then asking to meet does shake out the bullshit.

2) I don't think any are hard drug users. A couple of years into this, and watching someone slowly die last year, this is big for me.

3) 1 of the 4 (at least) is just a UTR but legit escort.

4) Prices are higher (200-300) but the 4 times we got together (2 different women) it was in my place or hers (hotel once) for 2-3 hours with longer session. 2 were MSOG. I've heard of women asking $500-$700/ meet but I didn't see that. I also didn't click on the chicks that look like Barbie.

5) One, I think, is really a legit civilian. Has her own place, FT job etc. I think she might just be in it for the dick. The first time I went over we went upstairs before we even set a price.

6) I think there's definitely bots and scammers out there and you get a lot of interest from Venezuela, Russia, England etc. Those are all easy to avoid. I think the bigger issue is some women aren't serious about ass for cash and are just on there hoping someone just gives them money. The skills you learn sniffing out the scams on StG or the other escort sites are transferable.

All in all, worth it for the $90 especially if I can keep these 4 in the mix. My plan is to have one be a weekly regular and the rest will be semi-regular, like a time or two a month. I'm cancelling my membership before it renews.

So I'm like 2+ weeks into this 3rd try with a sugar baby site. This time Seeking Arrangements. I've hooked up with 2 women so far. One is definitely an escort and per DMs I got "high volume" for a UTR. Good though, great in the sack. Seen her 2 x, 2nd time at my place for MSOG. Just saw a second. Legit civilian (pretty sure? Went to her place. Hung out, got invited upstairs. All bare, no CIP. Got some stuff in common so promising. Negotiated the money AFTER. Seriously.

A couple of thoughts:

1) my goal was to get 2-3 woman reasonably close that I can see regularly. 2-3 to hedge for the instability. 2 weeks in and that looks like mission accomplished. Got another lined up in a few days.

2) it's fucking work. Honestly. Really time consuming to have enough lines in the water to get the nibbles to land the fish. Hard to sustain. For me personally partly b / c I'm more of an introvert so chatting up strangers is stressful. Anyway, if you pay the money commit to put in the time.

3) you can definitely get laid. Two weeks and trying to work it and I've found 2 that I've actually seen, probably 2 more that were legit possibilities (ppm escorts, I just couldn't make it happen logistically).

4) the skills you learn sniffing out fakes and scams on StG or similar sites are transferable. That chick that looks like Barbie with a boob job is just as fake on SA as StG.

[JTerry26]

So I'm like 2+ weeks into this 3rd try with a sugar baby site. This time Seeking Arrangements. I've hooked up with 2 women so far. One is definitely an escort and per DMs I got "high volume" for a UTR. Good though, great in the sack. Seen her 2 x, 2nd time at my place for MSOG. Just saw a second. Legit civilian (pretty sure? Went to her place. Hung out, got invited upstairs. All bare, no CIP. Got some stuff in common so promising. Negotiated the money AFTER. Seriously.

A couple of thoughts:

1) my goal was to get 2-3 woman reasonably close that I can see regularly. 2-3 to hedge for the instability. 2 weeks in and that looks like mission accomplished. Got another lined up in a few days.

2) it's fucking work. Honestly. Really time consuming to have enough lines in the water to get the nibbles to land the fish. Hard to sustain. For me personally partly b / c I'm more of an introvert so chatting up strangers is stressful. Anyway, if you pay the money commit to put in the time.

3) you can definitely get laid. Two weeks and trying to work it and I've found 2 that I've actually seen, probably 2 more that were legit possibilities (ppm escorts, I just couldn't make it happen logistically).

4) the skills you learn sniffing out fakes and scams on StG or similar sites are transferable. That chick that looks like Barbie with a boob job is just as fake on SA as StG.

[JDRedBull]

A buddy of mine found out his wife was meeting up with her old high school boyfriend and getting plowed in various motels simply by picking up her phone one day and looking through her messages.

As far as cellphones, if your SO is capable, just having physical access to your phone you can do a lot depending on what you want.

If your phone isn't password protected they can install a hidden app that will send all text and other information to their personal phone in real time so they can see who you're talking to. If you have a password on your phone they can use a device that LE uses that will plug into your phone that will just download / copy everything and they can go through the files / text messages to find anything incriminating just like LE. I believe it was made just for that purpose for border security when people refused to unlock their phones.

I doubt any SO is going through all this though and buying some device for one time use. Much easier to:

1. Hire a private investor.

2. Install some type of GPS tracking device on your car.

3 Discretely put a voice activated microphone in your vehicle.

Very true. If SO wants to dig hard enough they will probably find out.

My problem is I would probably have the extra cell found before the app. As said earlier it's deep in other folders with bloat ware. It must be something already in the cell. "wink wink". Also I erase everything after business is done.

So my issue is my Samsung Verizon just updated its security. Great right. But now TextNow doesn't work. I redown loaded TextNow. Which is now working somewhat. Its only wifi now. App says it need me to copy IICID. And it will work with out wifi. Which is probably the Sim card info. The other issues is the app itself is very invasive with wanting permission to almost everything. I always shut it down and turn it all off after using app. But Now the Sim card info. So now the extra Cell maybe a better option or a better text app that hides cell number. I was just wondering anyone using an app that works great even if it's a couple dollars a month. Though. The new bill maybe another thing that I would have to explain if found. Thanks, guys for your inputs.

[Lance547]

A buddy of mine found out his wife was meeting up with her old high school boyfriend and getting plowed in various motels simply by picking up her phone one day and looking through her messages.

As far as cellphones, if your SO is capable, just having physical access to your phone you can do a lot depending on what you want.

If your phone isn't password protected they can install a hidden app that will send all text and other information to their personal phone in real time so they can see who you're talking to. If you have a password on your phone they can use a device that LE uses that will plug into your phone that will just download / copy everything and they can go through the files / text messages to find anything incriminating just like LE. I believe it was made just for that purpose for border security when people refused to unlock their phones.

I doubt any SO is going through all this though and buying some device for one time use. Much easier to:

1. Hire a private investor.

2. Install some type of GPS tracking device on your car.

3 Discretely put a voice activated microphone in your vehicle.

[Good Good Time]

Youse dudes with text apps on your regular phone to use for hobbying are just plain crazy, IMHO. Dude I met through here had an app like that layered on his phone and one day he got busted by the SO because of it.

Not everything works like you think it should. Dude would call me, but when he switched cells (towers) and the connection dropped, phone would reconnect using the real number and not the app number! Go figure. So you want a SW or STG girl to find your real name, etc. ? Then one day SO wanted to borrow his phone. You gunna say no to that when 'she who must be obeyed' asks? Denying such will get suspicion up right away. Anyway, one of his honeys called and SO answered. You can guess the rest.

So best bet is a burner phone with an app layered on top of that! You can always toss a burner in the Delaware when things get too hot, but you ain't doing that with your regular phone.

OP has it right you gots to invest in the hobby! It certainly IS cheaper than an attorney or black mail.

All just depends on your situation. My SO never touches my phone and vice versa. We are really strict about it, just as a matter of respect. But we switch cars based on who is driving where and who isn't, and she's a cleaning fanatic who loves to rearrange furniture and shit. So there's actually a bigger risk of her finding a second phone than finding the app that I have on my phone with all notifications turned off (I turn them on when actively hunting only), buried in a folder, and with most of the names saved as the same names as my friends.

[Shampoo55]

I have been using Text Now app on an android cell. It let you use a different number, which is good. I don't need anyone sending me messages at the wrong time. Or when kids or family decide to root through the cell phone. It has worked OK. Sometimes the texts are delayed.

Now it's not been working right. I sent a text and I see I received a notice for a text back. When I open the app it's gone. It screwed up two meetings today. So I may just get a cheap throw away cell. Any suggestions for better app that hides your number or a low usage cell phone plan?

Youse dudes with text apps on your regular phone to use for hobbying are just plain crazy, IMHO. Dude I met through here had an app like that layered on his phone and one day he got busted by the SO because of it.

Not everything works like you think it should. Dude would call me, but when he switched cells (towers) and the connection dropped, phone would reconnect using the real number and not the app number! Go figure. So you want a SW or STG girl to find your real name, etc. ? Then one day SO wanted to borrow his phone. You gunna say no to that when 'she who must be obeyed' asks? Denying such will get suspicion up right away. Anyway, one of his honeys called and SO answered. You can guess the rest.

So best bet is a burner phone with an app layered on top of that! You can always toss a burner in the Delaware when things get too hot, but you ain't doing that with your regular phone.

OP has it right you gots to invest in the hobby! It certainly IS cheaper than an attorney or black mail.

[PPJones]

I have been using Text Now app on an android cell. It let you use a different number, which is good. I don't need anyone sending me messages at the wrong time. Or when kids or family decide to root through the cell phone. It has worked OK. Sometimes the texts are delayed.

Now it's not been working right. I sent a text and I see I received a notice for a text back. When I open the app it's gone. It screwed up two meetings today. So I may just get a cheap throw away cell. Any suggestions for better app that hides your number or a low usage cell phone plan?

Depends on the level of"security" you need, but I had a cheap burner from text now, that was actually pretty decent. Using a cheap lg with straight talk for the past yr or so, with no issues. My level of discretion may be lower than some OR most of the other fellas, though.

[DonTrask]

I have been using Text Now app on an android cell. It let you use a different number, which is good. I don't need anyone sending me messages at the wrong time. Or when kids or family decide to root through the cell phone. It has worked OK. Sometimes the texts are delayed.

Now it's not been working right. I sent a text and I see I received a notice for a text back. When I open the app it's gone. It screwed up two meetings today. So I may just get a cheap throw away cell. Any suggestions for better app that hides your number or a low usage cell phone plan?

I got a burner phone for $20, bought minutes for $20 for 3 months so my total annual outlay to maintain a burner phone is $100. The problem is that it takes all day to text with it because its a flip phone, not a smart phone. So I keep it for those providers I strictly call.

Then I got a Text now app for texting purposes. The downfall is that you don't the responses in real time so you don't know if the provider is responding or not. Then I switched to Google # and that works the best. But it does require a hot spot since it is strictly WIFI based. Since I have that for business, it works well.

Bottom line, I don't like to spend more than I have to but for safety and prying eyes, don't be afraid to invest in your hobby. It goes without saying, its cheaper than a divorce lawyer.

[JDRedBull]

I have been using Text Now app on an android cell. It let you use a different number, which is good. I don't need anyone sending me messages at the wrong time. Or when kids or family decide to root through the cell phone. It has worked OK. Sometimes the texts are delayed.

Now it's not been working right. I sent a text and I see I received a notice for a text back. When I open the app it's gone. It screwed up two meetings today. So I may just get a cheap throw away cell. Any suggestions for better app that hides your number or a low usage cell phone plan?

[JTerry26]

Very glad to hear a success story. See so many negative stories, it's refreshing. Glad you had a good time!

I also got some feedback from her about how I made the cut:

1) I was polite in my intro, bantered back and forth. Treated her with respect.

2) I didn't ask for her hidden photo right away and after getting that didn't badger her for more.

3) I had good spelling and punctuation (Didn't expect that one. I think she saw it as a sign of maturity and respect (take the time to write correctly).

4) Moved quickly to text and then to meeting. Guess the women have the same incentives to cut through the bs and bots to men who are serious.

5) Didn't get all explicit or whatnot, was comfortable with ambiguity.

She said after that the pre-meet doesn't always go well and if it doesn't she just leaves so there was some screening by her over drinks as well. Lastly, and I hope I'm not wrong here, but she legit appears to be a UTR provider that's in it because of the economy and job prospects, not b / c of drugs. I really hope that's true.

So we'll see, going to try to make it a regular thing.

[StormRanger]

I've had success several times with Tinder. I live in a small college town, and the girls aren't great with managing their money. They eventually start looking for a daddy to help out. Also, frustrated mommies are on there that just want to feel pretty again.

[PPJones]

After having to reschedule I saw my first woman from SA tonight. Met for drinks. 20-something, turns out she's living back at home so I got a hotel. Real great GFE experience. Really took her time, BBBJ w dt, daty, like 5 different positions. All great. Couldn't cum. She goes back to BBBJ. Not happening. Probably like 30 minutes in at this point.

So we just lounge, talk, snuggle etc. I get back on her after like 20 minutes (she's laying flat) and I cum (cip) in like 10 strokes. Go figure. Heh. So we met at 6, were at the hotel by like 7:30 and left around 9:20.

Anyway, great experience. Hotel was an unanticipated expense but she said she'd come to my place next time. Worth it.

Very glad to hear a success story. See so many negative stories, it's refreshing. Glad you had a good time!

[JTerry26]

After having to reschedule I saw my first woman from SA tonight. Met for drinks. 20-something, turns out she's living back at home so I got a hotel. Real great GFE experience. Really took her time, BBBJ w dt, daty, like 5 different positions. All great. Couldn't cum. She goes back to BBBJ. Not happening. Probably like 30 minutes in at this point.

So we just lounge, talk, snuggle etc. I get back on her after like 20 minutes (she's laying flat) and I cum (cip) in like 10 strokes. Go figure. Heh. So we met at 6, were at the hotel by like 7:30 and left around 9:20.

Anyway, great experience. Hotel was an unanticipated expense but she said she'd come to my place next time. Worth it.

Just wanted to put my 2 in here.

I've been a member of WYP, SA, and SB for sometime now. Haven't paid for SA, did a couple rounds of credits on SB, with "a little" success.

First, there's all kinds on there. Pros, girls who have never met up (beginners), girls NOT looking to meet up (want to sell pics), bots, and real high end SB'S. The bots are generally (with an experienced eye) simple to weed out. If you're getting a message from a beauty in Brazil or California or Texas and you haven't looked at that profile (they get a message when you do), many times a bot.

I think the best approach, if you're concerned about being banned for saying the wrong thing is to make simple chat and quickly take it off site,(email, phone, text, kik, or other messenger) as with JT's technique. Most times, a couple simple messages and you can accomplish this quickly. From THERE, it's up to you to weed them out further and determine who or what it is you are chatting / talking to and what they are looking for and what they are willing to do.

As luck would have it, the first girl I decided to message back, we REALLY hit it off and 2-3 years later I have YET to find any better! With that being said, I managed a couple of meets with others with a SO-SO percentage of "happy endings". A few hook ups, and a few successes, but nothing really significant, with the exception of my current baby, who was, like I said, the first one I messaged.

Sugar dating IS similar to p4 p, however it involves much more work, and the girls do not wish to feel like they are having sex for money, but rather (the term they always use) "being spoiled". It's more about a serious connection and chemistry between the two of you and once you have THAT, MUCH can be accomplished. Like I said, MUCH more work involved vs "provider dating" but for those seeking more of a GFE and more serious connection, I would think it to be the way to go.

I haven't seen any of the high end girls or ones that won't negotiate to a reasonable price, so I can't speak on them, but, many will start with very high prices (esp girls who have never met) but after a bit of banter and chat, will generally come to their senses.

Sorry for the really long winded post, but as I started, more and more info kept coming to mind, and now we have a war and peace novel, but hopefully it can prove helpful to some.

Good luck to all, have fun, and be careful!

[Msaunders6969]

I think I'm going to go hit up BNA in NJ to see if any couples or single females show up then after 4 or 5 pm go hit up the Playhouse or maybe an AMP but I get the feeling AMPs might be extra busy today.

Didn't realize BNA had reopened.

[JDRedBull]

See, there is ALWAYS more to be learned. As I type my huge post, shampoo adds another spot to get further edgeumicated. Thanks! Will certainly check out that link!

Good luck, have fun, and be careful.

Big thanks to all you guys for the info. Seriously much appreciated. Save time and money. I'm looking forward to hearing from your adventures good or bad.