General Reports

[Guthrie]

Visited the K tuesday night on and off from around 5:30 to 9:00.
There was not much activity, either way. I did make a visit to penns port & cheerleaders during the strech. The 2d time ever in penns port. There was some nice pussy in there dancing up close. A very laid back atmosphere.
Back to the K when I spotted the fairly new girl with the wire rim glasses.
Blond and skinny. I saw her a couple of times before, but I passed. She was across from the bull dealer when she got in. Originally wanted 40,then down to 35. Finally she grumpbled 30 is ok. She looked skanky & smelly up close in the car. She wanted something from me to prove I wasn't a cop and asked for .25 cents? I gave that to her but I was not feeling it with her.

I drove around the block and dropped her off and told her I just wasn't comfortable with her and told her here is another .25 cents and get out. I did notice an LE car pull up to her as soon as she got out. I don't know if LE was following me or her but the girl was skanky and I was glad to get rid of her.

She told me her name was Tracey and you see her out at night.

One last cruise before the way home and I ran into Stephanie and off to the Patio. Dependable and 1 out of 2 wasn't bad.

[ClitLicker]

Cheeks is a club in NJ, on route 38, just past 206. It is a bit of a hike but it is ok. Similar to the playhouse lots of brazilian women there.

Correct mostly, but they took the cameras out of the tents so it's back to more like PH was 5 yrs ago.

[Sam Iam]

Cheeks?? Please elaborate, I've never heard of 'Cheeks' or am I missing something?

Cheeks is a club in NJ, on route 38, just past 206. It is a bit of a hike but it is ok. Similar to the playhouse lots of brazilian women there.

[Iorek]

Try Cheeks, the tents are pretty much like that.

Cheeks?? Please elaborate, I've never heard of 'Cheeks' or am I missing something?

[ClitLicker]

....snip...
, the 'stinky finger' strip club where you could take your dick out and get a wonderfully grimey couch dance'...alas for the days of yore..

Try Cheeks, the tents are pretty much like that.

[Iorek]

Yep, the only place I've come across nowadays that offers the show you used to get in NYC and AC is around the K-street area in DC (admittedly it's been a while..).

When I first saw it it freaked me out because it was like within walking distance of the goddam white house. Everyone knew what was going on it was so public, LE would occasionally half-heartedly flush out a congested street and chase the 'rats' away by turning on their lights and sirens once an hour or so just to disperse everyone but they wouldnt hang about, they would leave and everything would just start back up again.

Those shows were good but they were propper pimp and ho shows, which generally meant rushed and bitchy providers.

The 'K' with it's 'street casual' style makes it tricky to figure out who's working and who's a civilian most time, especially if you are new and dont know any of the girls but that has it's pluses and minuses.

I used to love NYC but it just got to be crazy expensive, and you could only find 'true gratification' by venturing into the 'underground' but that also got expensive (whole lotta fun though) and eventually chased out of town and unreliable. A couple years ago it was easier and cheaper to get a square chick than a working girl. Alas, this game never stays the same.

Philly had a decent underground scene for a short while a few years back but I think that has also petered out...

Man will someone bring back the 'hotel parties', the 'blow and jerk you bars' (who remembers studio5 or paid a visit to the 'red door'?), the 'stinky finger' strip club where you could take your dick out and get a wonderfully grimey couch dance'...alas for the days of yore..

After another visit to “the K”, I want to share my observations.

It was a nice Sunday afternoon. The weather was no longer summery but not cold yet either. I drove up and down the strip for hours from noonish till after dark. Looking, observing. I saw easily two dozen SWs in total. Some I saw only once, many others were out for a long time or were out a few times over the course of the afternoon.

The K is a stroll unlike the others I have visited.

These were all younger white girls. Very few were 30 or older. Mostly they were average looking with just a few skanks here and there. No body piercing was evident and no tattoos either except on one. A few were really cute young things (no kids, mind you, but youthful). There were SWs out at all hours that I was there although there were more after dusk. If you know how to spot an SW, you know what I mean that they were all passively available. Only one or two actively waved or spoke to me before I stopped and rolled down my window. On the K, it seemed to me that every one I talked to was pleasant. They were here and there but almost never more than two together. No obvious pimps around.

Now here is what struck me. I also know NYC and Atlantic City. There are major differences in how they dress and act. On the K they are in street clothes. No miniskirts, no hot pants, no “fuck me” boots. Only one or two were in tight jeans. Many wore sweat pants and sweat shirts.

In NYC (where there is no longer any real stroll left) back in the days when they were out there, the SWs often clustered together, pimps hug out within a few feet, they were mostly BSWs and almost everyone was dressed as an obvious hooker. Many were dolled up and drop dead gorgeous. There was never any doubt what they were up to on the street. They not only dressed the part, but they were actively waving, hailing, even blocking traffic. Many showed so much skin that it was like a strip show just to drive those strolls.
In AC, (again, in the past year, the AC stroll has all but disappeared) they used to cluster and dressed the part, there were at least equally as many WSWs as BSWs but no waving or stopping traffic. They just made themselves very obvious and available.

Now, price is another major difference.
In NYC, they asked more than I’d spend for dinner with drinks in a high-end restaurant. And they were nasty to boot. Few were affordable except in the outer boros where the less attractive ones hung out.
I’m not as familiar with AC prices, but I can tell you they were very negotiable. On the K you can get anything you want for the price of, well, how do we put this? You can fill their tank for less than it costs to fill your tank these days. In fact, it seems you can about name your own price (within reason).

So here's the UP-side. The K is still a very active stroll with a lot of variety and bargain basement pricing with WSWs who do not seems like they hate you. But, to me, the DOWN-side is that it doesn’t LOOK like a stroll. DAMN!! I miss the strip shows that used to be on the streets of NYC and AC. But, then, maybe that is why NYC and AC are gone. If its obvious, it gets attention and gets swept away. Whereas you can drive the K for hours and, if you don’t know what you are looking at, you won’t even see it.

– Forth Ryte

[Bull Cucksnc]

On the K you can get anything you want for the price of, well, how do we put this? You can fill their tank for less than it costs to fill your tank these days. In fact, it seems you can about name your own price (within reason).

– Forth Ryte

I am not familiar with mongering in either NYC or AC. I can tell you the reason things are so cheap in Philly. The price of crack has dropped to around 5 a rock and H is also around 10 a shot. Like you I have been in situations where 10 has gotten me everything I could ask for. As for the dress, the only SW that dress like SW in Philly are usually dudes in drag or naive LE.

[DukePV]

I do not recall anyone ever reporting they were rousted at the Patio or Carlyle prior to Davey1965's post. Is this true or have I been remiss in RTFF?

Never rousted at either place, and I've used both for many years. But I did observe a couple who had exited the Patio being stopped and questioned by the Philadelphia Police in this 2006 report. I fled the scene. In retrospect, I think the girl being questioned was Jewels (of luscious tits and crazy hats fame), so if you see her you can ask what line of questioning the police used.

Although rousting would be a nightmare for all of us, the odds of its happening are low. I think we're all in agreement here that the cops are after drugs, not johns.

[CenterCityDude]

Well I've been going to the Patio for a long, long time now and never a problem inside outside or with any of my vehicles parked in the area. Always felt safe around there. Until yesterday.

I was just at the Patio the other day with a date, the place was full, so we sat in my car on the side street next to the place waiting for a room to get unoccupied, and damned if I didn't experience a sudden and eerie feeling about how precariously exposed I was and that LE could really fuck with denizens of the Patio if they were duly motivated.

Just as this feeling struck me, like some sort of creepy synchronicity, a PPD cruiser slowly passed on the inner northbound lane of the Roosevelt, and I'm thinking--no, hoping--this shit doesn't escalate and ruin my chance to get some ass. Moreover, this girl I was with had a prior prostie charge, so it wasn't like I could lie and say she and I were just a couple of goody-two-shoe civilians having a cheap quickie assignation at this fleabag notel. Furthermore, it occured to me my date could be holding contraband of the sort that could make things a bit dicey. Luckily, the cruiser kept going and didn't stop. I'm not the sort to panic, but I must admit I calculated every move I could possibly make had the cruiser stopped and rousted me and my date.

And here that feeling of paranoia was justified by grand master monger Davey1965's experience a few days after mine. Of course, Davey was as cool as they come and handled it all like the grand master he is!

I hadn't frequented the Patio in nearly two years prior to last Saturday, and as some of you know from a previous post I have been skittish about mongering in general, so this really makes my paranoia even more intense.

I do not recall anyone ever reporting they were rousted at the Patio or Carlyle prior to Davey1965's post. Is this true or have I been remiss in RTFF?

[Sam Iam]

Well I've been going to the Patio for a long, long time now and never a problem inside outside or with any of my vehicles parked in the area. Always felt safe around there. Until yesterday.....

Spent a nice time with one of my favorite girls there and when we were leaving I caught out of the corner of my eye LE in the suuth bound lane of US1 pacing us as we walked toward the car. At first glance thought it was my imagination, but then I saw him looking dead at us. Just about then I told my date to walk past my car until he was out of site. Just as we did that we lost site of his vehicle traveling north, so we quickly got into my vehicle. As soon as the passenger door closed and I went around to get in, I saw the cruiser making a u-turn thru the center grass median. At that point I told my date to not ask questions and to walk down C street and I'd pick her up.

Just as she walked away the cruiser slowed down near my parked car, looked at me and then made a right on the little street before the Patio. I started my car, went to Boudinot and hung a right to go around the block, once on C street I found my date walking and pulled into a parking spot. As soon as this happened he again pulled next to me, my date realizing what was happening just kept walking. I then went to the little store on the corner and grabbed a Pepsi. Coming out I called my date and told her to just keep walking and I would catch up with her in a few blocks. Well made a right on US1 north, down to Whitaker and next thing you know I almost got rammed by one patrol car and other came and blocked me in. (Jeez I must be dangerous..LoL) The cop came to my window and asked for my paperwork and what I was doing in the Patio. Told him I wasn't in the Patio but visiting a local and coming back to my car. We went back and forth on this one a few times and then they asked if I would consent to a vehicle search. Having nothing to hide and wanting to get out of there I said yes. They then asked me to sit in the back of the cruiser and about that time a paddy wagon comes along. For about 15 minutes they went through my car, found nothing, came back and told me I could leave. While getting back in my car the second officer on the scene motioned me to roll down my window and said we're watching that place..

Now on another note I didn't mention from last week, I went to the Patio with a girl who spent more time running around the hotel pissing the front desk guy off than in the room with me. What was she doing ? Uh can you say buying dope from a room upstairs and then some rock from someone else downstairs. So maybe there is some drug trade going on there and when they didn't nail me with a girl, they may have thought I was going there for a buy.

Either way be careful on rendevous to the Patio.

I always used say that if I was a cop I could just hang outside the Patio and make all kinds of drug busts and warrant busts. But on the other hand, I also thought that even though the use of the Patio is well known, I figured LE always left it alnone figuring, bettter to have the hookers in motels than dropping condoms on peoples sidewalks. Hope this doesn't become a trend with Phila LE, watching the Patio.

Have to find some new local houses to go to instead. Used to know of a few but like everything else in the area, things change.

Thanks for the heads up, what is scary is that once I had a woman in my car who I knew and we used to hit a similar motel. I thought she didn't have anything on her and one day, the morning after we had been out, I found a rock on the floor of my car. It was almost under the seat. good thing no one else saw it. Anytime we do this one has to keep their heads up and be alert, glad your ok. Be Safe

[PhillyBoys]

Davey... I've been out of country (indonesia) for almost a year and just return to philly area last week and will be here for at lease a few months before my company sent me back out again. Anyway, first thing is to check out the scene in K and cmd and found your disturbing news on patio. that's going on men..??!!

I've been getting royal VIP treatment at Jarkata every other day for the same street price!! $50-60 for 3-4 hours session. But once a while I misses the good old USA white meat.

Maybe one day I can organized a monger trip to Indonesia with you fellow hobbies.

[Davey1965]

Well I've been going to the Patio for a long, long time now and never a problem inside outside or with any of my vehicles parked in the area. Always felt safe around there. Until yesterday.....

Spent a nice time with one of my favorite girls there and when we were leaving I caught out of the corner of my eye LE in the suuth bound lane of US1 pacing us as we walked toward the car. At first glance thought it was my imagination, but then I saw him looking dead at us. Just about then I told my date to walk past my car until he was out of site. Just as we did that we lost site of his vehicle traveling north, so we quickly got into my vehicle. As soon as the passenger door closed and I went around to get in, I saw the cruiser making a u-turn thru the center grass median. At that point I told my date to not ask questions and to walk down C street and I'd pick her up.

Just as she walked away the cruiser slowed down near my parked car, looked at me and then made a right on the little street before the Patio. I started my car, went to Boudinot and hung a right to go around the block, once on C street I found my date walking and pulled into a parking spot. As soon as this happened he again pulled next to me, my date realizing what was happening just kept walking. I then went to the little store on the corner and grabbed a Pepsi. Coming out I called my date and told her to just keep walking and I would catch up with her in a few blocks. Well made a right on US1 north, down to Whitaker and next thing you know I almost got rammed by one patrol car and other came and blocked me in. (Jeez I must be dangerous..LoL) The cop came to my window and asked for my paperwork and what I was doing in the Patio. Told him I wasn't in the Patio but visiting a local and coming back to my car. We went back and forth on this one a few times and then they asked if I would consent to a vehicle search. Having nothing to hide and wanting to get out of there I said yes. They then asked me to sit in the back of the cruiser and about that time a paddy wagon comes along. For about 15 minutes they went through my car, found nothing, came back and told me I could leave. While getting back in my car the second officer on the scene motioned me to roll down my window and said we're watching that place..

Now on another note I didn't mention from last week, I went to the Patio with a girl who spent more time running around the hotel pissing the front desk guy off than in the room with me. What was she doing ? Uh can you say buying dope from a room upstairs and then some rock from someone else downstairs. So maybe there is some drug trade going on there and when they didn't nail me with a girl, they may have thought I was going there for a buy.

Either way be careful on rendevous to the Patio.

I always used say that if I was a cop I could just hang outside the Patio and make all kinds of drug busts and warrant busts. But on the other hand, I also thought that even though the use of the Patio is well known, I figured LE always left it alnone figuring, bettter to have the hookers in motels than dropping condoms on peoples sidewalks. Hope this doesn't become a trend with Phila LE, watching the Patio.

Have to find some new local houses to go to instead. Used to know of a few but like everything else in the area, things change.

[Forth Ryte]

After another visit to “the K”, I want to share my observations.

It was a nice Sunday afternoon. The weather was no longer summery but not cold yet either. I drove up and down the strip for hours from noonish till after dark. Looking, observing. I saw easily two dozen SWs in total. Some I saw only once, many others were out for a long time or were out a few times over the course of the afternoon.

The K is a stroll unlike the others I have visited.

These were all younger white girls. Very few were 30 or older. Mostly they were average looking with just a few skanks here and there. No body piercing was evident and no tattoos either except on one. A few were really cute young things (no kids, mind you, but youthful). There were SWs out at all hours that I was there although there were more after dusk. If you know how to spot an SW, you know what I mean that they were all passively available. Only one or two actively waved or spoke to me before I stopped and rolled down my window. On the K, it seemed to me that every one I talked to was pleasant. They were here and there but almost never more than two together. No obvious pimps around.

Now here is what struck me. I also know NYC and Atlantic City. There are major differences in how they dress and act. On the K they are in street clothes. No miniskirts, no hot pants, no “fuck me” boots. Only one or two were in tight jeans. Many wore sweat pants and sweat shirts.

In NYC (where there is no longer any real stroll left) back in the days when they were out there, the SWs often clustered together, pimps hug out within a few feet, they were mostly BSWs and almost everyone was dressed as an obvious hooker. Many were dolled up and drop dead gorgeous. There was never any doubt what they were up to on the street. They not only dressed the part, but they were actively waving, hailing, even blocking traffic. Many showed so much skin that it was like a strip show just to drive those strolls.
In AC, (again, in the past year, the AC stroll has all but disappeared) they used to cluster and dressed the part, there were at least equally as many WSWs as BSWs but no waving or stopping traffic. They just made themselves very obvious and available.

Now, price is another major difference.
In NYC, they asked more than I’d spend for dinner with drinks in a high-end restaurant. And they were nasty to boot. Few were affordable except in the outer boros where the less attractive ones hung out.
I’m not as familiar with AC prices, but I can tell you they were very negotiable. On the K you can get anything you want for the price of, well, how do we put this? You can fill their tank for less than it costs to fill your tank these days. In fact, it seems you can about name your own price (within reason).

So here's the UP-side. The K is still a very active stroll with a lot of variety and bargain basement pricing with WSWs who do not seems like they hate you. But, to me, the DOWN-side is that it doesn’t LOOK like a stroll. DAMN!! I miss the strip shows that used to be on the streets of NYC and AC. But, then, maybe that is why NYC and AC are gone. If its obvious, it gets attention and gets swept away. Whereas you can drive the K for hours and, if you don’t know what you are looking at, you won’t even see it.

– Forth Ryte

[Zaphod II]

Not trying to stir any shit, or start a debate here, but keep these Rights in mind:

Association with criminals, by proximity, conversation, or companionship is insufficient to support Probable Cause to arrest. < US v Munoz, 738 F.Supp 800, (1990) >

It is not a crime simply to travel with, even knowingly, someone who is carrying drugs. < US v Teffera, 985 F2d 1082 (1993) >

Mere presence/association with a possessor of contraband is insufficient to establish possession on my part. < US v Garcia, 983 F2d 1160 (1993) >

Even if a guest in your vehicle has drugs on them, you cannot be held responsible. Of course, if they hide them in your car, ie, they are not physically on their person, then that is a different story.

I may refuse to provide the police ID or information. < US v Brown 731 F2d 1491 (1984); Moya v US, 761 F2d 322 (1985); Brown v Texas, 443v US 47 (1979) >

Officer's questions must relate to the purpose of the the stop, or detention of the driver is unreasonable. < US v Barahona, 990 F2d (1993) >

Of course, always use your best judgment when dealing with Uncle LEO, and do your best to end the encounter ASAP.

Wallie

NOTE:I am not an attorney, and this is not legal advise.

Not at all Wallie, in fact you make a good point, the reason for the stop as I was told by the officer was "failure to signal prior to turning". Now keeping that in mind the other officer on the other side of the vehicle asked my friend for her ID and begins questioning her about what were doing there, what was my name, and so on, none of which has anything whatsoever to do with the traffic stop. She has no drugs on her, I know this for a fact, nor does she do drugs any longer.

The points you lay out are absolutely true, and perhaps if I pointed all that out to the Judge I may actually stand a chance of having to whole damn thing thrown out, but I would guess she would have to appear in court as well as a witness to this.

My sense of principal really compels me to want to fight it, but if I lose I believe I would incurred court costs on top of everything and somehow it just does not seem worth the trouble.

But you guys really make some good points, again that is why I raise the profiling issue. What I failed to say before was the officer who stopped me did so AFTER he pulled up next to me on the right at the light, waited for me to go then got back behind me again and flipped on the lights.

Anyway, lets just put this to bed. Thanks all for the posts.

Z

[DukePV]

I get to Philly quite a bit and stay at the Airport Towers. My usual stomping grounds are South Broad and 7th/Oregon. Everyone talks about the K but I can't find the friggin' avenue. Help a guy out and let me know how to get there.

Go to South Broad and turn right (south). Go nearly to the end, past the stadiums on your left, and look for signs to Interstate 95 NORTH. Take I-95 north to the Allegheny Avenue exit (next one after the Girard Avenue exit). You'll need to take a couple of left turns to get to Allegheny Avenue. Turn right on Allegheny (west) and go 1 mile to Kensington Avenue...you can't miss it...there's an elevated train track.

The action lately has been south of this intersection, and you can drive all the way (1 mile) to Girard Avenue to seek it. This would be a left turn from Allegheny onto Kensington (the K), which is illegal. Don't risk it, but rather drive on a bit and do a creative U-turn on Allegheny back to the K, and then make a right. Follow the el tracks all the way...there is a bend to the left onto Front Street, and you should then follow Front to Girard.

There is also some action if you take a right turn from Allegheny onto the K and go north, all the way up to Erie-Torresdale Avenue. Again, you will be under the el tracks all the way. If you turn right on Torresdale, you can take a break at the famous Dunkin Donuts 1/2 block on the right. (Famous for what? Creative graffiti in the unisex bathroom, brunette Kate and blonde Gina, good coffee, and maybe a glimpse of Davey1965 chatting up one of his 5,648 girl friends )

Good luck, and we look forward to your report.