Escort Reports

[Mmgeg]

If you knew Hotforty like I do you would know that both halves are, left and right nut. When the two halves meet then it's pure evil!

FF.

P.S. We have shared freckles in the past.

Hi. I don't recall having ever meeting you. PM?

[BigGuyUAteMe]

Hey what he said.

I understand your hesitancy, but I have used that info as a reference. You may not feel comfortable with it, but I get her being nervous. If you can verify you work somewhere, she knows you are not her uncle.

It is easier if you work at a large employer. Less risk of issues, I. E. Employer not thinking you are looking for another job, or that some escort is asking.

People do it for credit all the time too.
Just do what you are comfortable with, but it is not all that strange.

All good advice, from all these seniors, if you want to play, or just go get a loaf of bread, every time you step out your door your taking some risk.

Just do what you feel comfortable with, go's with all party's, hope no one is forcing anyone on here to do something against their well.

The best thing to do is, do your research, listen to these seniors and if your not comfortable, just jack-off! (sorry Ladies you can finger bang).

Play safe, have fun, give respect and you will get it back.

BG.

Looking for crazy good pussy! Hope they have to jack me off to shut the lid!

[Mwdude]

Your logic makes no sense. We've now determined the girl has the insight to use the board. She asked me for my screen name, which I gladly gave her. It's apparent she views the board, because she knows the conversation is about her, and has you on here as her mouthpiece. Anyone can easily review my posts and conclude I'm not LEO. As for high volume providers being reputable references, yes they are. Naturally low volume providers, and UTR's, traditionally don't like to be used as references. You can give out your employment information to all the girls you choose too, but in the end, it's just not good politics.

That's not been my experience. The lower volume ladies tend to have higher prices and also tend to take care of their business better. I said "tend", because not everyone falls into the generalization.

High volume providers, esp 95% of the ladies in Indy BP, will use the "oh, he said he's seen her, I've heard of her" method of screening. I can't say that level of screening has always turned me off an appt, but it's certainly not the best. Mediocre screening is just looking at your posts and deciding that you don't sound like a cop. Bad screening is just taking you having a sign on as verification. No screening is just answering the phone and saying "yeah, when do you want to appt?

I reference my online persona in most contacts when looking for an appt. A couple of those (DC, GBN) have been good enough for some ladies, but some have asked for direct names and contact info. No problem. The best ladies I've seen have mostly been VERY helpful. And none of them have my personal information. A couple low volume providers asked for personal information. Nope, not happening, I don't care how good everyone thinks Gabby is. Her business, I don't begrudge her that, but I moved on.

My point is that your choices of ladies can help your future availability of ladies, so if that's important to you, consider it. Don't give out your personal information unless you have a rationale for doing so and any potential consequences (or lack of) that you're comfortable with.

[TheCoach26]

I've only had a couple providers ever ask me for employment verification. I gave them a coworker's name. It's easy to verify and will never come back on me. I have never used my real name with a provider, nor will I.

Coach.

[XandirHunt]

I'm glad things are working out for XandirHunt and I hope they continue working out. For everybody else, a hobbyist giving a girl his employment information is giving her the power to out him when he stops seeing her, when he won't fund her request for a loan or when she simply turns out to be mean-spirited and some of the women in this business are mean-spirited caused by years of having nothing but jerks in their life, I'm sorry to say. I hate to burst anyone's bubble but that's a bell we cannot unring and some of these girls are desperate. The problems many have that bring them here we'll never understand. The bottom line is we never know what's behind that smile. If anyone has difficulty appreciating this warning go ahead and pass out the real business cards to prove where we get our pay check so she'll feel better, just promise to report back how that works out. I mean reporting back when we've moved on to other talent and we're no longer seeing her, when we stop taking her calls because she's calling every hour, or we turn down her request for a lot of extra cash to tide her over. That's when the threats and blackmail will start, when she has nowhere else to turn other than to the sucker giving her his employment information.

Second, not that a second is needed, the thought that a guy's employment reference is a reference that he is not LE is equally as silly. LE gives fake employment references. It's two cops verifying each other. It's that special line that rings at the station. Sorry to be so disagreeable. It's not being unfriendly.

You must think I am stupid. As I said, do what you are comfortable with. I have only used this method once, and it was a provider I have seen around for years. She was in a different town, so I did not have many other options for verification.

As for it not being safe for a provider, that is her issue.

Like FF said, it is easy to verify a phone number belongs to a business. If she can't, then turn the hobbyist down.

Pretty simple, but again, not my concern.

As I pointed out, it can also depend on your employer. I work for a large company operating out of hundreds of locations nationwide.

I really do not think there is a single person in that organization that would care if I see providers or not.

1. She would have to prove she knows me.

2. She would have to publicly admit SHE broke the law.

3. anybody ever blackmails me, I go straight to LE.

Blackmail is a felony. Do you think LE would care about solicitation when they can jail a felon? Absolutely NO risk of this in my eyes.

My only concern is that she gets arrested and they pressure her to give up all of her clients.

She would have my name, but not my phone or any other identifying info. This would also require her to admit to multiple infractions instead of a single charge.

Not likely. Even so, this would also require her to maintain records. Pretty big file cabinet to lug around to incall locations in that case.

Also, have you ever looked at any Escort services? I have never gone through any, but most seem to take this info during verification. So, don't think it doesn't happen.

I have avoided these services for this reason. They are much more likely to turn over client records if they get busted.

Again, be smart with any provider. I understand the hesitancy, but just be smart.

And please, do not ever suggest I am stupid again.

[No Alibis]

You hit the nail on the head because it's the main and most important point of this board and the hobby as a whole. A hobbyists reputation, references via positive experiences and time cultivating yourself makes verification doable. One important item, if you are using a high volume provider that does not check references or poorly screens, then they are not a good reference to use.

FF.

P.S. I'm told that you are internationally famous among many providers even those with freckles.

Your logic makes no sense. We've now determined the girl has the insight to use the board. She asked me for my screen name, which I gladly gave her. It's apparent she views the board, because she knows the conversation is about her, and has you on here as her mouthpiece. Anyone can easily review my posts and conclude I'm not LEO. As for high volume providers being reputable references, yes they are. Naturally low volume providers, and UTR's, traditionally don't like to be used as references. You can give out your employment information to all the girls you choose too, but in the end, it's just not good politics.

[Jjbee62]

When you have a connection between 2 anonymous people, one of which is engaged in a technically illegal activity and the other in pursuit of that activity, it pays to be careful.

Back when I was in the swinger lifestyle, people often asked "What if you run into someone you know? " The answer was simple, since you're both caught you have a balance. Neither can out the other without outing themself.

However, giving your name and employment info puts you at risk and is not an effective screening method. It's quite easy to find and give an employer, name, phone number and extension. Take a trip to a trade show and you'll have dozens of prospects.

The trouble I see is that you can't be certain. You can't be certain that nothing is being written down. You can't be certain a roommate, boyfriend, pimp or anyone else won't get the info and use it against you. You can't be certain giving the info won't be something you'll regret.

I don't know the answer to providing a sure fire way to protect all parties, if I did I would be a billionaire working on my next project, a world wide freckles database.

[Freckle Freak]

And to FF's point, I don't claim to be internationally infamous or anything, but I have created enough of a positive hobby reputation that I do have some exclusive, low-volume providers that I've seen in the recent past, and they've seen me because of online reputation and positive experiences from other providers. That took a while to cultivate, but it's doable.

You hit the nail on the head because it's the main and most important point of this board and the hobby as a whole. A hobbyists reputation, references via positive experiences and time cultivating yourself makes verification doable. One important item, if you are using a high volume provider that does not check references or poorly screens, then they are not a good reference to use.

FF.

P.S. I'm told that you are internationally famous among many providers even those with freckles.

[Mwdude]

But I did once give out my office phone number for a verifying call by a provider. Nothing bad came out of it, but I did so because I was young, dumb, and horny as all hell. I won't do it again.

I've been denied twice recently by longtime and newbie providers because I won't give out personal info. Fuck that. Even if they are truly benevolent, I'm not giving out anything that could be a problem for me.

And to FF's point, I don't claim to be internationally infamous or anything, but I have created enough of a positive hobby reputation that I do have some exclusive, low-volume providers that I've seen in the recent past, and they've seen me because of online reputation and positive experiences from other providers. That took a while to cultivate, but it's doable.

To Sara's question. I see no problem with any of your requests. If you asked for a traceable phone number, an employer name and phone number or anything else, forget it.

[Freckle Freak]

All good points are expressed on the board. Just as a provider's visit may be YMMV, the reasons for employment verification can also be the same depending on the provider.

I hate to burst anyone's bubble but that's a bell we cannot unring and some of these girls are desperate.

Second, not that a second is needed, the thought that a guy's employment reference is a reference that he is not LE is equally as silly. LE gives fake employment references. It's two cops verifying each other. It's that special line that rings at the station. Sorry to be so disagreeable. It's not being unfriendly.

Some points here.

This, the provider in question, doesn't care about the employer once the hobbyist in question has been cleared for take off. She doesn't keep the info because she doesn't care once she knows she is safe. So there is nothing to unring.

Verification does not just include calling.

1. Looking up the number on-line to make sure it's the company represented and then maybe a call. If you just call then you could be speaking to LEO. Verifying the number in question is the most important part, not necessarily calling the number.

2. By calling and asking for John Doe and never talking to anyone because once the operator says hold on I will transfer you or he is not in the office or he is traveling, or etc. Most of the time ends the verification process. Number two doesn't work without number one.

My suggestion is to run away, if a provider asks about your employer. At best she's just clueless and probably a good target for LEO. At worst, it's LEO

It's obvious, any provider who asks about your employer, is not a good reliable SP, and has no clue what she's doing.

Yes, this one is new and somewhat clueless. Another reason why she is asking for verification. She does not know the local SP's at all, UTR means she's not a pro, thus she cannot converse with them about John Doe. Who is John Doe? Come on think about it. I call up a provider and say I am Freckle Freak on the board and I tell them I saw a local well known SP. How does the local SP know Freckle Freak. I'm not going to explain everything here on open forum. But if you think about it, how does it work? How does the SP know it's me? What records and info does the SP have or keep? This one is not a pro and doesn't care or keep records about employers. Hell she has enough trouble keeping all the handles straight much less employers.

People do it for credit all the time too.

Just do what you are comfortable with, but it is not all that strange.

The key here is what XandirHunt said. People do it all the time. Do what you are comfortable with. There was a time it bothered me, it doesn't now. There is no evidence other than a hobby phone that I ever had contact with any provider, so if necessary I throw it away. There are sites and agencies that providers use that do extensive verifications with a lot of hobbyists using them. What happens to that info?

The other point is trust, which is something this board relies on. Do you trust the provider. Some I would provide my info but this would be based on research, reviews and other members input. Some I would run like hell from.

I am hoping that this UTR will have other ways of contacting and verifying hobbyists in the near future to alleviate concerns. Notification is pending.

FF.

P.S. Some freckles I would run to, some away from, whatever I am comfortable with.

[Golfcart]

I understand your hesitancy, but I have used that info as a reference. You may not feel comfortable with it, but I get her being nervous. If you can verify you work somewhere, she knows you are not her uncle.

It is easier if you work at a large employer. Less risk of issues, I. E. Employer not thinking you are looking for another job, or that some escort is asking.

People do it for credit all the time too.

Just do what you are comfortable with, but it is not all that strange.

I'm glad things are working out for XandirHunt and I hope they continue working out. For everybody else, a hobbyist giving a girl his employment information is giving her the power to out him when he stops seeing her, when he won't fund her request for a loan or when she simply turns out to be mean-spirited and some of the women in this business are mean-spirited caused by years of having nothing but jerks in their life, I'm sorry to say. I hate to burst anyone's bubble but that's a bell we cannot unring and some of these girls are desperate. The problems many have that bring them here we'll never understand. The bottom line is we never know what's behind that smile. If anyone has difficulty appreciating this warning go ahead and pass out the real business cards to prove where we get our pay check so she'll feel better, just promise to report back how that works out. I mean reporting back when we've moved on to other talent and we're no longer seeing her, when we stop taking her calls because she's calling every hour, or we turn down her request for a lot of extra cash to tide her over. That's when the threats and blackmail will start, when she has nowhere else to turn other than to the sucker giving her his employment information.

Second, not that a second is needed, the thought that a guy's employment reference is a reference that he is not LE is equally as silly. LE gives fake employment references. It's two cops verifying each other. It's that special line that rings at the station. Sorry to be so disagreeable. It's not being unfriendly.

[Jjbee62]

My suggestion is to run away, if a provider asks about your employer. At best she's just clueless and probably a good target for LEO. At worst, it's LEO, or someone associated with them and a few days later you're trying to explain your hobby to your boss. Or some TV news show pops in and starts asking questions.

There's plenty of pussy out there, why increase the risk?

[No Alibis]

I understand your hesitancy, but I have used that info as a reference. You may not feel comfortable with it, but I get her being nervous. If you can verify you work somewhere, she knows you are not her uncle.

It is easier if you work at a large employer. Less risk of issues, I. E. Employer not thinking you are looking for another job, or that some escort is asking.

People do it for credit all the time too.

Just do what you are comfortable with, but it is not all that strange.

It's obvious, any provider who asks about your employer, is not a good reliable SP, and has no clue what she's doing.
And for anyone to divulge that information is not in their best interest.

[XandirHunt]

I was communicating with an apparent UTR, everything was fine til this morning. Was suppose to meet her when she suddenly asked for references, not a problem. Gave her a local well established SP. She then informs me, she doesn't know her, but knows someone who may have seen her. REALLY!, and exactly how would that verify me? Then she asks me, where do I work? My reply is, I personally don't think that has any bearing on this situation. She then tells me, it's how she verifies some of her clients. NO THANKS!!

I understand your hesitancy, but I have used that info as a reference. You may not feel comfortable with it, but I get her being nervous. If you can verify you work somewhere, she knows you are not her uncle.

It is easier if you work at a large employer. Less risk of issues, I. E. Employer not thinking you are looking for another job, or that some escort is asking.

People do it for credit all the time too.

Just do what you are comfortable with, but it is not all that strange.

[Hotforty]

Both halves are evil? I guess both secrets are out!

1. When the two halves meet then it's pure evil!

2. We have shared freckles in the past.