Massage Parlor Reports

[Ddave1939]

I do hhr and have been for 5 years. 40 at door and 100 for girl.

For your consideration, the going rate is 60 house 100 girl for one hour. Tip at your discretion, or not at all.

[Udon42]

I do hhr and have been for 5 years. 40 at door and 100 for girl.

What I paid was for hr.

[ColdMiller]

... with all this talk about cameras at Tiger and Sun, are any of you guys now avoiding them? Or do you still go? Any of you actually parking elsewhere and walking over? And, finally, if you do visit, are you noticing their business is slower than before?

I didn't see what you saw at Tiger and I even parked down past the river so I had a nice slow walk to verify everything. I did see where mommasan has her own camera to see who is in the parking lot. It seemed to be real time as the lot was empty and she was opening up the little window just as I reached for the buzzer.

First visit to Warren and have to say Cherry was everything you guys have talked about and more. Her teeth could use some work, but the mouth worked just fine.

[Crism080]

I do hhr and have been for 5 years. 40 at door and 100 for girl.

[Ddave1939]

Who wanted the extra 15? House or girl?

I have no spouse or wife who would question me about my usage.

Presently, that's not who you should be worried about.

[Udon42]

It's still 100 + 60. You got talked into an upcharge. And you're a brave soul paying by CC.

I told them about 160 but I caved in. As for cc, I'm not worried about anything. I've done many times in my hobby history. I have no spouse or wife who would question me about my usage.

[Ddave1939]

Finally had a chance to visit her. No cars parked when arrived. She was available. She was awesome more than I expected. It was however a total 185 (paid by cc) required. A few months back I paid 60 for a house and 100 for the gal.

It's still 100 + 60. You got talked into an upcharge. And you're a brave soul paying by CC.

[Udon42]

Finally had a chance to visit her. No cars parked when arrived. She was available. She was awesome more than I expected. It was however a total 185 (paid by cc) required. A few months back I paid 60 for a house and 100 for the gal.

[HotLcndyt]

Got lucky today as she got in last night at Hopkins and I was her first today. Been in South Korea the last 4 months and said he didn't have sex since before she left. Seen her about 15 times, but today was the best as she had a lot of pent up energy.

Thank god she's back LOL. Stopped in last weekend and got stuck with Jeanie. Only make a trip or two a year. Jeannie was pretty lame and kept pushing for more money. Not very attractive either. Hope she's gone. Might have to make a special trip to see cherry.

[MisterJao]

... with all this talk about cameras at Tiger and Sun, are any of you guys now avoiding them? Or do you still go? Any of you actually parking elsewhere and walking over? And, finally, if you do visit, are you noticing their business is slower than before?

[Ddave1939]

The first raid was well before my time, but I can't help but think another is coming.

It's probably too late for me, they already have my plate, but I reckon walking may be in order from now on.

[Kyle6002]

Kudos to who ever spotted and posted about the cameras.

The last time they put cameras up -which were inconspicuous as apposed to the ones that are up now- it was the beginning of the end.

To refresh people's memory here's a couple old articles about the raids of 2012 and the roll the cameras played in their investigation.

A Year Later, Warren Massage Parlor Investigation Yields No Charges.

Updated August 3, 2013 at 2:02 PM; Posted August 3, 2013 at 2:00 PM.

By John Caniglia, The Plain Dealer.

WARREN, Ohio -- A year ago, authorities touted the closings of eight thriving massage parlors that they said were linked to prostitution, the seizure of more than $100,000 and the end of a blight on the city's image.

Today, the spas remain closed, the investigation has failed to bring any charges.

"The primary purpose was to get those things out of the city,' said Christopher Becker, the first assistant in the Trumbull County Prosecutor's Office. "We're looking at it as a successful case. You don't always have to charge someone to have a successful case. '.

Becker said the case remains open technically, but he said it is unlikely prosecutors will file charges stemming from the May 30,2012, raids that led to the city closing the spas, saying they were nuisances.

In an interview last month, Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine called the case open and said agents for the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation are still working on it. He referred questions about possible charges to the prosecutor's office.

Late last month, Trumbull County Common Pleas Judge W. Wyatt McKay agreed to a prosecutor's request that $103,973. 09 seized from the spas be divided between Warren police, DeWine's office and the county prosecutor's office. No one has sought to claim the money, allowing McKay to order the distribution of the cash.

"No one came forward to say, 'The $20,000 in the condom jar is mine,' Becker said. "No one wanted to be a part of that. '.

In June 2011, then-Warren Police Chief Timothy Bowers asked DeWine's office for help to investigate the businesses. With remote cameras placed on property outside the spas, state agents began tracking down the men who frequented the businesses, according to search warrant affidavits. They found that many of the customers weren't from Warren, but that the customers were driving from across Northeast Ohio to Warren.

The customers turned a city that has been stuck in neutral since the steel industry tanked in the 1980's into a hotbed of the spa industry. Officers tracked down the customers, who gave statements about the prices for sex acts at the spas. One man told authorities that he knew having sex at the spas was illegal, but he said the businesses provided a service "to guys that have no other outlet,' according to the documents.

Agents also interviewed a woman who worked at two of the spas. She said she knew women who worked at other spas in the city and "that all of the Warren spas are sex-related,' according to the search warrant affidavits. She said the spas charged up to $300 for sex.

During the raids, agents found bags of condoms, passports, laptops, ledgers and cash, including more than $20,000 in a fake floor board at the Tokyo Spa, according to court records.

But despite the evidence and the affidavits of the customers, Trumbull County prosecutors have yet to file charges. And that's partly because of how massage parlors work.

In the spas, workers would give customers showers. During the showers, women would offer sex acts, Becker and retired chief Bowers said in interviews.

In other situations, officers working undercover don't face the same issues. If an officer seeks to buy cocaine from the drug peddler, the officer can simply make the purchase. The difference between the spas and the drug deal: A recording device in the drug deal can be concealed.

"There was a conscious decision not to put any officers in that situation,' Bowers said. "I wouldn't put any of my officers in a situation in which I would be uncomfortable. But you have to ask: What was the goal? It was to get rid of these eyesores. We tried to be more comprehensive, and we were. '.

Becker said agents have spent the past year pulling bank records of various people involved in the spas. But he said it was hard to follow a money trail in a business that thrives on cash.

"Not a lot of people go to a health spa and pay with a credit card,' he said. "Would I liked to have filed charges of money laundering and racketeering? Yes. But as a prosecutor, I have to be open to what I can prove. '.

Gary Rich, a Warren lawyer who has represented some spas in the past, said the investigation was a waste of time.

"What has been the gain to the city of Warren?' Rich said. "Nothing. There are a few more vacant buildings. '.

Rich, in an interview, discussed the city's deteriorating streets, rising unemployment and struggling academic record of its schools. He said the money spent on the investigation could have been poured into the city's problems, not massage parlors.

The city had 10 spas last May.

Investigators raided eight: the Gemini Health Spa; Tokyo Spa; Moon Night Spa; Fuji Spa; Ocean Spa; Hong Kong Spa; Hot Sun Spa; and the Fantasy Spa. Within days of the raids, the city boarded up the businesses, claiming they were nuisances linked to prostitution. In order to gain the court order, authorities granted immunity to some of the customers they tracked down during the investigation.

Two remain: The Tiger Spa, which had changed its ownership during the investigation, and Sunny Spa, which shares an outdoor walkway with a bar, making it impossible to determine which business the customers had frequented.

A spa on Ohio 5, just west of Warren, also has closed, and authorities expect the pressure on the remaining spas to continue.

"This was successful,' Becker said. "If we could have charged, we would have charged. '.

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/inde...assage_pa.html

Warren fights image of massage parlors after raids find suspected prostitution.

Updated Jun 25,2012; Posted Jun 23,2012.

By John Caniglia, The Plain Dealer.

WARREN, Ohio -- The customers left their upscale Northeast Ohio suburbs and headed to this once-thriving steel city in search of sex.

In the past year, men from Amherst to Westlake drove to Warren, where they paid for a variety of sex acts at eight massage parlors, investigators say. The customers helped make the city the region's hub of health spas, businesses that have thrived in a community that has struggled since its industrial base collapsed.

But earlier this month, Warren boarded up the eight parlors, claiming they were nuisances linked to prostitution. The closings came days after law enforcement officers raided the spas, sweeping up condoms, business papers and a money trail that could lead prosecutors to file racketeering charges, according to court records and interviews.

The raids stemmed from a yearlong criminal investigation by Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine's office and Warren police that involved officers placing cameras near the massage parlors and interviewing former workers at two of the spas. Investigators also obtained statements from customers.

The customers said they paid a fee of about $40 to get in and about $50 to $300 to young women for different sex acts, according to court records. The city subpoenaed some of the customers to testify at a hearing Monday in Trumbull County Common Pleas Court, where Warren's law department will seek to keep the businesses closed.

Authorities found nearly $100,000 in cash at the businesses, according to records. That included $22,850 in a fake floor at the Tokyo Spa. Investigators also gathered laptops, hard drives, cell phones and passports of women who worked at the businesses.

Community activists feared the spas involved human trafficking. They spent months urging Warren City Hall to dig into the issue, saying the city had gained an ugly reputation from the businesses.

"It's a stain on the city," said Jean Waris, who helped lead the fight. "They say first impressions are lasting. We don't want people coming to Warren and getting that impression. ".

A defense attorney says the city has more important issues to worry about than massage parlors. Lawyer Gary Rich, who represents the Hot Sun Spa, said law enforcement should have prioritized the city's needs.

"I have great respect for the attorney general, but I put forward that the city of Warren would have been much better served if, rather than spending a year on massage parlors, authorities would have investigated drugs and criminal activity here," Rich said.

"Drugs and crime are rampant here. Our schools are on academic watch. Our roads are crumbling. We're hemorrhaging jobs. Our housing stock is deteriorating. And they're looking at massage parlors?

Warren's law director, Greg Hicks, scoffed.

Hicks, a former Warren police officer, said he heard similar lines when he patrolled the city's streets. When he arrested a drunken driver, the driver wanted to know why Hicks wasn't spending his time chasing more dangerous drug dealers.

Customers drive from Cuyahoga, other counties to Warren.

In search warrant affidavits, an agent of the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation said officers tracked down customers from Pepper Pike, Shaker Heights, Richfield, Parma, Cleveland, Columbia Station and Wadsworth, as well as several from the Mahoning Valley. Some said they learned of the spas in ads in The Plain Dealer and other newspapers.

Investigators also are looking into allegations of human trafficking, as massage parlor workers reportedly were driven to Warren from New York, where some had landed from Korea, according to the search warrant affidavits. But it is not yet clear whether the allegations are true.

They also have gained information on "jockeys," or people who drove the women for shopping and errands, as well as to and from other massage parlors in other cities, according to Hicks and the affidavits.

One man from North Bloomfield, a small town in northern Trumbull County, said he knew having sex at the spas was illegal, but he also said the businesses provided a service "to guys that have no other outlet. ".

Al Bansky, the state agent who wrote the affidavits for the search warrants, jumped on the line. In the documents, he said he was seeking a judge's permission to search the businesses "to ensure that Warren, Ohio, will cease to be the 'outlet' capital of prostitution. . . . ".

The city's reputation has taken off, thanks in part to the Internet. Activists have pulled reviews about Warren spas from 2010 that were found on a web site devoted to massage parlors. The reviews include women's measurements and their attitudes toward customers.

In one post, an anonymous customer rated Warren's spas.

"I've been to Asian massage parlors in Houston, Tampa, Toledo and others," the review said. "Pretty good service most times, but until you've been around, you have no idea how great Warren is. Head and shoulders above the rest. ".

For years, Elyria dealt with massage parlors in its downtown. Elyria is about the size of Warren. Both cities are off the Ohio Turnpike, making it relatively easy for people who drive long distances.

In the early 1990's, Elyria police raided three massage parlors in the city. The raids, led by then-police Lt. Dennis Will, allowed county prosecutors to convict some employees with racketeering.

"They told us that getting caught is the price of doing business," said Will, who today is the Lorain County prosecutor. "They only packed up and left after we charged them with racketeering, and they saw the kinds of sentences that some people were getting. ".

In 1987, Cleveland City Council passed a law that required massage parlor operators to be fingerprinted by police. They had to provide details of their work histories and any criminal records. The workers at the businesses also had to provide similar information, take blood tests and be fingerprinted.

The massage parlors had to be licensed by the city, and its workers had to be licensed masseuses by the state. City officials said the law has kept the businesses from moving here.

In Warren, the massage parlors began to take hold in the 1990's. They offered recreational massages, not the therapeutic types that are licensed by the State Medical Board.

In 2000, the city had six businesses. It also had several billboards promoting the health spas along the arteries that led to the city.

That year, a former manager of the Bella Health Spa pleaded guilty to lying to a federal grand jury that was investigating money laundering and prostitution. The spa has since closed. The manager was sentenced in USA District Court in Cleveland to probation for three years.

The investigation continued in Pennsylvania, where federal prosecutors accused a group of people of skimming hundreds of thousands of dollars in profits from 17 massage parlors across the country, according to court documents. Two of the men convicted, Robert Urquhart and David Amos, had their sentences sealed by a federal judge in Philadelphia. A federal prosecutor refused to comment on the cases.

But such investigations are rare in the Mahoning Valley.

One reason is manpower. Warren's police department is understaffed because of budget constraints and cannot afford to devote detectives to a vice unit, Hicks said. In June 2011, Warren Police Chief Timothy Bowers asked DeWine's office for help.

Driving to Warren from Mansfield.

With remote cameras placed on public property outside the spas, state agents began tracking down the men who frequented the businesses and details about those who ran them. They found that many of the customers were from outside Warren, that men were driving long distances to stop at the massage parlors. State agents even found a man from near Mansfield who made the two-hour trek to Warren, according to the search warrant affidavits.

By 2012, the number of massage parlors in the city grew to 10. Activists from the Mahoning Valley Organizing Collaborative and Waris' Northeast Ohio Coalition on Rescue and Restore, which fights human trafficking, continued their battle to close the businesses.

Warren City Council passed an ordinance in January that calls for the spas to close from midnight to 6 am Massage workers also have to get 100 hours of training from an accredited school of massage therapy. And the city required workers to pay $640 in fees for annual licensing, Rich said.

The spas fought back.

Rich, the lawyer who represents the Hot Sun Spa, took on other spas as clients to challenge the city law in Trumbull County Common Pleas Court. In February, Rich said, a city police official testified at a court hearing on the ordinance that there were no criminal complaints at the health spas. A city health official also testified, saying there were no serious health violations, Rich said.

But the investigation told a different story. Agents began tracking down customers of the health spas, who gave statements. They also interviewed a woman who worked at two health spas. She told investigators that she knew a lot of the women who worked at other spas in the city and "that all of the Warren spas are sex-related," according to the search warrant affidavits.

The affidavits show the woman said one of the businesses, the Ocean Spa, took in an average of $1,500 per day, seven days a week, or about $546,000 a year. She said the spas charged up to $300 for sex.

On May 30,60 state agents and Warren police raided eight massage parlors -- the Gemini Health Spa; Tokyo Spa; Moon Night Spa; Fuji Spa; Ocean Spa; Hong Kong Spa; Hot Sun Spa; and the Fantacy Spa.

Two parlors in Warren were not raided. One recently changed ownership, while authorities could not get enough probable cause to search the other, the Sunny Spa on East Market Street. Authorities said the spa and a nearby bar share a common entranceway, and it impossible to determine which business the customers had frequented.

During the raids, state agents found passports, computer jump drives, surveillance equipment, foreign currency and large bags of condoms.

"Obviously, this isn't a local mom and pop operation," Hicks said. "These places are all linked. We found that they are moving women from location to location. There is some type of inner-connectability here. How deep it goes is what investigators are looking into. ".

Hicks said the city is seeking to put the spas out of business, much like boarding up drug houses. About 10 days after the raids, Hicks and Warren Mayor Doug Franklin boarded up the eight parlors, placing yellow, police tape over the doors. Local media snapped up the footage.

"We have been at the center of things here (with massage parlors), and it isn't anything to be proud of," Hicks said.

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/inde...f_massage.html

[Ddave1939]

Got lucky today as she got in last night at Hopkins and I was her first today. Been in South Korea the last 4 months and said he didn't have sex since before she left. Seen her about 15 times, but today was the best as she had a lot of pent up energy.

Been waiting for this post.

Meandered up to Warren today specifically to see her. My first Cherry experience. I found her more talkative than pretty much anyone I've seen at either Tiger or Sunny. Very enthusiastic about her job. She asked if I'd been there before and said dozens of times, mostly for Cookie. Told her Cookie was great, but I heard Cherry was better. She giggled and carried on.

Nice shower. More playing than normal, told me next time there'd be even more.

Found the massage a bit light and subpar, but she didn't dally with that for long anyhow. Cookie def gives a harder massage. The remaining session was excellent, however. I did find her a bit odd on the kissing. The way she kisses isn't really my thing. But everything else was great and I'll leave it at that.

Cookie maybe does a bit more, but only because I've seen her so many times. I think Cherry will be just as wild with some more familiarity.

Cherry's body is pretty awesome. Tall and slender. Nice everything.

I think Cherry vs Cookie will be neck and neck. Still need to try Tiffany.

[Crism080]

Got lucky today as she got in last night at Hopkins and I was her first today. Been in South Korea the last 4 months and said he didn't have sex since before she left. Seen her about 15 times, but today was the best as she had a lot of pent up energy.

[OhioHunter]

What and where is that?

EDIT-answered my own question

http://900pineclub1.godaddysites.com

http://900pineclub.com

That place looks interesting, might be worthy of a new thread if there are things to report there. Looks like they just opened, if anyone has been there, would appreciate a PM with some details.