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  1. #6547
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    Posts: 1833

    Why leave any money at all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Utwogood  [View Original Post]
    Deciding to leave money or not is totally up to you. It just depends on how MUCH different she looks from her photos. Rationalize it this way. I didn't waste her time, it's HER fault for wasting MY time. Get it?
    If the pics are fake, or enough of a misrepresentation that you decide to walk away, why leave anything at all? Not sure I get the rationale of trying to come up with a formula based on how much deception was being practiced.

    For me, if she looks as good or better than her pics, then I'm staying (unless some other red flag comes up). So the only reason I'd leave is if she's trying to pull a bait-and-switch. If that's the case, I'm walking away without leaving a dime. As you said in your post, it's her fault, not mine. And I'm not asking for any compensation for having my time wasted, so I figure we're all square.

    The only exception I'd make is if things looked like they were heading toward a confrontation and dropping a Jackson might be the easiest way to defuse things and make an exit. But those situations are rare. Other than that, not one centavo, Amigo.

  2. #6546

    A few for your consideration

    Quote Originally Posted by BikeNova  [View Original Post]
    Glad I stumbled across this forum and this is my first post. So, I have a thing for Asians and have been a regular at AMP's for years and had been using the BL agency which has disappeared. Been using LF but the GFE is weak and is always a crapshoot besides I like Koreans better. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
    Yes, Butterfly was great as was Memory Studio, but they had to close down for. Reasons.

    1) Club Paradise www.clubparadiseusa.com.

    2) Asian Gems www.asiangem.live.

    3) Discreet Story www.discreetstory.com.

    4) Happy Together www.happytogetherva.com.

    5) Club VIP www.clubvip.escortbook.com.

    That should keep you busy. Be forewarned, some of the above may be slow to respond, or may not respond at all. Be prepared to go through screening (some more rigorous than others). If you get cleared, well worth it. PM me if you need any additional information. If you are travelling to other cities and want a list, I can provide that too.

    Maximus.

    "What we do in life, echoes in eternity".

  3. #6545

    Mya Manassas

    https://cityxguide.co/escorts/mya-ge...hoice-26960249

    Saw Mya today, . 8 damage, actually is her in the pics with some added filters. Very cute personality, all covered, CBJ was meh. She refused to CG so we went dog and mish til popped. Cute girl and personality but the main event was mechanical. YMMV, she's back to Cali tomorrow. She was rooming with a black chick who was thick with humongous massive tits and all natural!

    Creepin.

  4. #6544

    As others have said, the red flags mean you should bail out

    Quote Originally Posted by Conapp  [View Original Post]
    Anyone want to share a bait and switch or when the dream got to ugly that you had to walk away?I have never had the balls to walk away from a dream. Any advice?
    I usually say something like "I'm sorry but I was expecting the person in the pictures" or "I'm sorry but I don't feel right about this situation," and add "I'm going to to leave. " Then I leave.

    About a decade ago, I went to see a girl in DC whose pix looked good, if a little trashy. She had a good review, so I made the trek. She met me outside a rowhouse and walked me in, at which point I noticed that she smelled like a goat and the room was a disaster. I asked her to check if anyone was in the bathroom, and when she walked out, I threw a $20 on the bed and bolted out the door.

    Once you've handed over the donation, you've lost control of the situation. If you really want to leave at that point, some providers might give you a full or partial refund, but if they don't, there's not much you can without breaking the law. Is $150 worth a felony rap with your picture in the paper? At that point, cut your losses and walk.

  5. #6543

    How to leave

    Quote Originally Posted by Delee1234  [View Original Post]
    I second this. How do you guys walk away without it being too awkward.
    In my experience, I would say that only 5% of the time, a bait-and-switch provider actually looked way better than the fake pics they used. I have met a few and have been shocked by how stunning they were, and it made total sense to me that they were using fake pics. Of the others, maybe 20% use photos that are fake but are a fair representation. That's it. Think about it. Would a woman ever use a fake photo of another woman that is uglier than she is?

    But here's the thing. The woman knows that by misrepresenting herself in this way (something obvious like pretending to be Asian when she is black), she should get rejected. But she is counting on the fact that so many of you guys have no self-control, let the little head do the talking, and just settle for what's presented, since finding someone else is a pain. Her having the gaul to think I'll just suck it up with her 'beggars can't be choosers, you should be happy I'll screw you at all' -type attitude is a real turn off. Guys. Why would you pay someone for that deception? Why would you pay anyone when you know you are being deceived to your face? Would you do that at a car dealership, or a mechanic?

    Therefore, she has shown that she has no respect for the men she sees. She also knows that if you do leave, another simp will be along soon enough. So don't feel guilty about walking out.

    Having said that, with a really bad bait-and-switch, I am always cordial and never rude. Why? Because I want the provider to believe that by me walking out, she missed out on a great potential customer. I'll never just storm out like: " you lied to me!" No point in that. Just say: "Sorry, I have to go. You're not quite what I was expecting. " Deciding to leave money or not is totally up to you. It just depends on how MUCH different she looks from her photos. Rationalize it this way. I didn't waste her time, it's HER fault for wasting MY time. Get it?

    To keep from being that direct, here's another tactic: Let her ask YOU to leave by pissing her off.

    "Oh, you said your photos were accurate, but I (was picturing / I thought I was coming to meet) someone (prettier, thinner, not as old, white, etc.)"

    "You are redhead in your photo, but now I see you're blonde?

    "And in your other photos you had a tattoo on your thigh. Why no tattoo?

    "Too bad you don't use your real photos. You're much prettier."

    "So where's (Bella)? That's not you, is it? Naw, that can't be you. Seriously, where's Bella?

    She'll kick you out, just for you stalling LOL. But who cares what she thinks?

  6. #6542

    Go Back a few pages

    Quote Originally Posted by BenDhover;4438Gov208
    I don't see any previous post, only Thai Angie.
    The original poster or mongers that seen shim can answer your inquiry! Not my cup of tea so never did homework on Angie. I was wondering about the muse that sucks for hours and pussy super small. Scary too!

  7. #6541

    New to forum and seeking advice

    Glad I stumbled across this forum and this is my first post. So, I have a thing for Asians and have been a regular at AMP's for years and had been using the BL agency which has disappeared. Been using LF but the GFE is weak and is always a crapshoot besides I like Koreans better. Any recommendations would be appreciated.

  8. #6540
    Senior Member


    Posts: 128
    Quote Originally Posted by Conapp  [View Original Post]
    Anyone want to share a bait and switch or when the dream got to ugly that you had to walk away?I have never had the balls to walk away from a dream. Any advice?
    This happened to me. To answer the post below. Just drop a twenty, say you just don't feel right about it and walk away.

    Quote Originally Posted by BoMcC  [View Original Post]
    Yuri, or Lola when she meets you. Not Asian, not curvy. Petite black spinner. $250/ hr. Not my thing but maybe yours.

    She said she doesn't like to show her face online, and when I rechecked the number / post out after the meet it turned out most of her posting had the face blurred in the pics, just not the ones I saw.

    https://escortalligator.com.dc.listc...8934/Rockville

    313xxxx532.

  9. #6539

    YMMV. I had a completely different experience with Kayla

    Quote Originally Posted by AdcFellow  [View Original Post]
    I had a dream about Kayla at AG. When I arrived, was greeted by a cute girl in a lace teddy. Beautiful natural full B breasts. She was flirty with the cute school girl voice. When we talked, she said she was 22 and I think that is the truth. I thought it was going to be a fantastic encounter and accidently dropped $$$ at the counter. BUT. .

    When I went for the hug and to kiss her neck, she said I could not kiss her neck. Red flag #1.

    We proceeded to the shower, where she gave me a good scrubbing and a preview. However, when I pulled her up and wanted to suck her breasts, she said her breasts were sore. Red flag #2.

    We dried off, and went near the bed where the BBBJ started in front of a mirror, but when I pulled her up to grab her ass, there was a big band-aid on it. She said it hurt so I could not grab it. Red flag #3..
    Not sure how you "accidentally" dropped $$ That is the donation for + through my experiences with the K agencies. Then later you state "for $$ I was hoping to get fully satisfied"? Maybe mistakenly just typed $$. IMO, a little shady and maybe some partial truths to your story, just speculation on my part, but there are always two sides and we will never know what really happened. IMO, it is interesting that you went through the appointment and then asked for money back? Is this a habit? Not a good way to present yourself to these agencies as they all share info and this can be detrimental to you seeing future superstars that you desire to visit. Just my experience. It is an easy way to get blacklisted. I am not trying to discredit your review, just voicing my observations. And this being a forum, we are all free to do so without insults.

    I am a long time hobbyist and have had tons of experience in this wonderful arena. New here, but long-standing hobbyist with an extensive list of agencies I visit. All I can say is I did visit Kayla and had a great experience. She definitely is the lady in the pics with a petite, nice little body with a very cute face. She aimed to please and offered DFK, playful shower with preview BBBJ, rimming, BBBJ (with a lot of eye contact), 69, CIM, and an effort to get two out of me. Kayla gave no resistance when I sucked on her tits, however, I can't speak with regards to kissing her neck as I'm not one to do that. I didn't go to grab her ass so again, can't speak to that either. I am a one and done guy so her effort was to no avail. I left more than happy and have a repeat scheduled already. In this game, it can be hit or miss. Sure we all want a great experience each visit, but let's be real. I have had experiences ranging from "once in a lifetime (1 example Alexandra Min)" to "ugh (many, but no need to say)", but never have I ever taken back a portion of a donation LOL. These forums are great for input, but for the most part, I always see who I want to see and am willing to try based on my own gut. There are very few reviewers I follow, but the ones I do have a long standing reputation of objectivity. Good luck to all and happy hobbying.

    Maximus.

    "What we do in life, echoes in eternity".

  10. #6538
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1833

    Make a plan in advance, just in case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Delee1234  [View Original Post]
    I second this. How do you guys walk away without it being too awkward.
    And then stick to it. Don't develop MDS (Magic Dick Syndrome) in which you think you're so exceptional that you can turn bad situations into good. Always think with the big head.

    If you're polite, but firm, you should be able to walk away without too much drama or awkwardness. Most providers who use bait-and-switch tactics, or something similarly deceptive, won't raise much of a fuss if you call bullsh*t and leave. For the few who decide to make a scene, stick to your plan, walk away, and let them yell at your back. Hopefully you've maintained control of your cash and used a hobby phone. You're never going to see them again so don't let it get to you. The relief you'll feel from making a quick exit is 1000% better than the regret you'll feel if you stay. Then come back to the forum and post a warning.

    It also goes without saying that this strategy only works when you're visiting a provider at her location. If you scheduled an outcall with an unknown provider, whether at a hotel or at your place, the dynamic completely changes. That's because she has the advantage of being able to make things embarrassing for you with neighbors or hotel staff. That's one reason I only do outcall with someone I've seen several times at their incall, never with someone new.

  11. #6537

    Great Question. I third that motion

    Quote Originally Posted by Delee1234  [View Original Post]
    I second this. How do you guys walk away without it being too awkward.
    If you know JM agency out of Tysons, they are 2/10 on hit / miss. Usually my last resort and it doesn't help that Jenn is a tad pushy / rude. For $$ 2, the photos usually don't match, or girls aren't fresh, or un-kept, and I never have the balls to walk out. I guess I don't want to draw attention. The last (Julia Beck) was the laugh of all laughs and I didn't know how to leave. This lady came out with a mustache, bushy pits, hairy legs, dirty white tee, granny panties, glossy eyes, I can go on and on. All that said, she was friendly, but couldn't get the job done, too many distractions.

    Anyhow I always read that mongers just leave and I told myself that I will just turn around on the next bullshit.

  12. #6536
    Quote Originally Posted by Conapp  [View Original Post]
    Anyone want to share a bait and switch or when the dream got to ugly that you had to walk away?I have never had the balls to walk away from a dream. Any advice?
    I second this. How do you guys walk away without it being too awkward.

  13. #6535
    Senior Member


    Posts: 1833

    A couple of suggestions

    Quote Originally Posted by Conapp  [View Original Post]
    Anyone want to share a bait and switch or when the dream got to ugly that you had to walk away?I have never had the balls to walk away from a dream. Any advice?
    First, never relinquish control of your cash until you're satisfied with the situation. Once you hand any of it over, it's gone.

    Second, the time to walk away is when you see the very first red flag. What that red flag will be depends on the situation. Maybe it's when you arrive and her texts or phone calls take on a different, less positive, tone. Or maybe it's when the woman who opens the door looks significantly different from the ad pics. The key point is to walk away when that first flag appears because the odds of things getting better are slim to none.

    Most of the reports about rip-offs or bad experiences involve one or both of the above. Some mongers think that, for them, "this time will be different," but that attitude rarely works out. Be polite, come up with some excuses that you've thought about beforehand, and get the f*ck out.

    Bottom-line is that there's always another provider and, if your itch is really strong, move on to Plan B. Maybe Plan B is another provider in the area, or an AMP, or an ACS, or whatever. At least you'll get reasonable value for your money.

  14. #6534

    Huh??

    Quote Originally Posted by LilWyn  [View Original Post]
    I won't tell you guys which one is the agency exactly but it's one of the K agencies.

    Today, I got a text that the agency recommended a girl to me. This is very odd because it never happened before. And the girl has a "not good" review here.

    I wonder if this ever happens to you guys here before.
    Great story, why not post the name of the agency? If not, your post is useless!

  15. #6533
    Quote Originally Posted by JWebster  [View Original Post]
    Hey did you do DFK with Laly?
    Available, but wasn't interested.

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