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08-22-08 01:57 #1038
Posts: 298G H
It is not a surprise that the GH is struggling since they actually make less per customer despite all the price increases. I almost got an economic major in college (that's where I met my first wife) so let me try to break this down for you.
Point 1:
~4 years ago the most expensive 40 minute program was $120. Now it is $180. That's 50% price increase.
~Inflation has gone up 14% in the past 4 years.
Conclusion 1:
Much like the housing boom/bust we have a 50% price increase vs 14% inflation. That is not sustainable.
Point 2:
~The workers previously got a $60 tip per program plus $10 in wages per program for a total of $70, but they now get the $70 matching tip + $10 wage + $40 extra tip, for a total of $120 per program.
~The house used to keep $50 per program but now keeps $60.
Conclusion 2:
The house used to get a 42% cut but now gets only a 33% cut. And the workers now get a 67% cut up from 58%.
For Point 3 lets assume that each customer starts with a budget of $2000 a year which after 4 years of inflation turns into $2300:
~The workers that previously made $1160 of each $2000 and are now getting $1540 of each $2300 spent. That is a 33% increase.
~And the house's take went from $840 of each $2000 to $760 of each $2300. Over 4 years that is a decrease of 9.6% before inflation and whopping 22% decrease after inflation!
Conclusion 3:
It's true, the GH can't survive if they keep taking in less money per customer.
From the outside it does appear that most of the problem does come from the policy of letting workers charge extra tips, a practice not allowed at the RS.
Also GH now has market pressure from CL entrepreneurs that regularly charge also low as $75-130. Surprisingly the GH has responded to the competition in part by raising prices.
*In order to make this readable/doable I had to made many assumptions and over simplify. And no I'm not looking to be a consultant.
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08-21-08 10:23 #1037
Posts: 45I agree Qjwin. Several years ago when I moved to the area, I first checked out GH. I've been to AMPs before and had expected the old rub n' tug. When a semi attractive attendant took me up to the room and gave a price list, my jaw dropped (I walked out). After getting online and seeing the reviews, I chose RS. I know exactly what I'll get at the RS with no upselling. Unfortuanately, everytime I found a good one there, she'd leave shortly after. I eventually just gave up on it all together. Although, my best experience ever was with Devon (I think that was her name), long dark hair and a lot of tatoos. She REALLY got into it. When I was done, we still had some time left. She came right out an asked if she do me again. I was shocked and had a wonderful BBBJTCS. Only person I've ever heavily tipped.
I find it difficult to ever play more than. 3-. 4 for the ol' rubn' tug. When I lived in the twin cities, that was the going rate. I don't understand why this area thinks. 8- 1. 50 is appropriate. Not only if the GH would at least match RS prices, would they gain more business. It would also change the prices of CL and other indies. I've always negotiated with indies stating why should I pay more for less. Can I shower? Will I ever really get a full hour? I've never seen a provider actually give a full hour, usually 30-40 min. At least I'm guarenteed 40 min at the AMPs.
I know some of you think the quality is better than most SW. I can name at least 4 SW who used to work at these two places. Also, several ads with ex employees. Why would I pay 1. 40 for the same thing (less the shower) when I can get it for. 30-. 50. Plus, there are some SW out there who I feel are more attractive, service better, and when sober. Better personalities. Take Precious for example, if you were lucky enough to find her in the day. You would be shocked at her attractiveness and I know I enjoyed her conversation. Man, I wish I had her new number. And there were other like that.
So I have pretty much given up on these two places. I can get a lot of more from SW for 1. 40. Once you cruise enough, you will know the SW and their CL ads or simply have the digits. Or they will know your vehicle. I picked up a very attractive BSW(hally berry look-a-like) a few years back. When she saw my vehicle, she walk right towards me. I asked her how she knew I was looking, she said a friend (Mindy) told her about me. I rely on this and a massage gal to satisfy. I still take a cruise every now and then, when bored and sick of the same old thing.
Would I go back to the RS or GH if prices dropped. Maybe. I definately would read up more on the attendants in hope to find something comparable to Devon. At least by them dropping prices, it should filter down thru the indies. I swear, with the economy the way it is, I don't understand where these 200lb CL gals think they can get 2 for FS. I think they've missed their calling. They should apply for a job at the big oil companies.
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08-20-08 20:52 #1036
Posts: 707Gh
The Geisha House is fantastic but I think GH management is making a tactical error of potentially epic proportions. In my opinion the GH's error is that the prices are too high. If the GH would drop the .140 program down to .90 I think the GH would do better financially b/c A LOT MORE hobbyists would visit the GH more often. But alas, I know the GH will never listen to my input.
The way I figure it, with the price at .140 I might hit the GH 3 times per year. However, if it was .90 I would hit the GH at least 7 or 8 times per year. If you do the math it turns out the GH would be collecting more money. I know I know, you can say "but Qjwin, what the hell's the difference? Why wouldn't you simply spend the same amount over a year's time period if the price was .140 or .90?" Well the only way I can answer that is simply to say that hobbying doesn't work out quite as neatly like that on paper. The bottom line is many more hobbyists would hit the GH if the price was .90 instead of .140.
If the price was .90 (for the .140 program), hell, the GH would lure in a lot of SW hobbyists b/c the few extra dollars would be worth it for safety and cleanliness. I repeat, I think the GH is making an error charging .140, and would do better financially if it charged .90 for the .140 program. Of course if the GH was to drop its price to .90 it would have to definitely spread the word so every hobbyist in the greater Dane County area knew of the "sale", thus the GH would reap the rewards of high turnout. It's crucial that the GH would have to let every hobbyist know of the new "sale" for my high turnout theory to workout. Which I know it would, marketing, marketing, marketing, so to speak. :-)
If you think my aforementioned proposal to the GH is unsound I think analyzing the Asian massage parlors and the 'lingerie' shops in Rockford is instructive. They essentially charge roughly .90 (sometimes even .70) for what the GH's .140 program offers and they've been successfully doing business for decades and decades (of course the AMPs run into federal entanglements from time to time).
Stay safe.Last edited by Qjwin; 08-20-08 at 20:58. Reason: typo
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08-20-08 16:50 #1035
Posts: 332Originally Posted by Qjwin
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08-20-08 10:57 #1034
Posts: 75North Oak
I saw Rachel a while back. Other than that, it has been dead over there. Too bad. There is a lot more area to cover and seems easier to elude LE there. Badger is like driving nascar, every minute or so you are back at the start. Might as well spray "hobbyist" on the side of your ride.
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08-20-08 10:51 #1033
Posts: 75Thursday
I was on Badger a couple of Thursdays ago. About 12-1 am I saw a couple of girls that looked out of place and were giving me the eye. When I turned around, they were really flagging me down? With all the LE, I passed. I went over the beltline to the other 5 star motels. A squad followed me all the way back to Fish Hatch from those dives. I then went back to Badger to see if the ladies were around and only saw Dee in her usual spot back off Badger. I thought it odd at the time, but I bet those two were the bait a few reports are speaking of. They just were a little too enthusiastic about flagging me down, not at all subtle like a SW should be.
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08-18-08 18:41 #1032
Posts: 707elaborate please!
Originally Posted by Craven Morehead
Thanks.
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08-18-08 09:41 #1031
Posts: 80Originally Posted by Amppussylicker
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08-16-08 18:54 #1030
Posts: 96Jade @ Geisha House
I had some free time finally and decided to give GH a try. I walked in and was greeted by Madison...a busty blonde who I would like to take for a spin, but Jade came down the stairs, and my thing for Asian women kicked in. Jade led me to a room upstairs. She explained her rates. I forgewt the amounts, but there were 3 choices and I took the full service at $180 total ($70 for the house). Jade is a petite spinner type. She had on silver high heels which made her legs looks great. She was weraing an aqua colored teddy/panty set which was very hot. A 5 min shower (alone) followed by a 10 min massage (nothing to write home about). She reached under me to stroke me and fondle the boys before the flip. Jade removed her top and climbed on to better stroke me. I asked for DATY or 69, she responded that it was extra. I guess full service doesn't mean what I thought it meant. She let me feel her terriffic ass. I also groped and licked her highly sensitive nipples. Jade climed on for rev cowgirl and I couldn't hold off for long. Nice and tight and knows how to move. Very nice young lady (19-25) but I always expect some sort of oral play when I pay for full service.
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08-16-08 17:54 #1029
Posts: 1228LE Sting on Thursday
"Last Thursday LE ran a huge sting on Badger. They netted about 10 hobbyists! Be careful out there and stay the f'ck away from LE!"
This happened to me! The problem I have with mongering in this town is the mongering strip is so small you can drive around it 3 times in 7 minutes. And if LE see you driving around in an area of know prostiution they will pull you over. Like they did with me! I wish I had my bible on the passenger seat like one of you once advised!
CM
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08-15-08 18:08 #1028
Posts: 707were the rumors true though??
Originally Posted by Six Thru Eleven
I did hear a rumor that the GH might close down forever. Did you hear the same rumor? and then verified that it'll indeed stay open?
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08-14-08 18:47 #1027
Posts: 101GH To Stay Open Forever
I just called my GH contacts (Qjwin knows who they are) and they told me that they have changed their hours a littli bit, but because the girls were a little overworked. Too many sore asses, sprained wrists and tendonitis of the vajay-jay, I guess. They now have 3 shifts going 9-3, 3-9, and 9-2.
I'll see you all tomorrow for some daytime cruising.
stay safe,
6thru11
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08-13-08 18:38 #1026
Posts: 707Sting Alert!
Last Thursday LE ran a huge sting on Badger. They netted about 10 hobbyists! Be careful out there and stay the f'ck away from LE!
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08-12-08 18:10 #1025
Posts: 3Rs
I was wondering if anyone knows what happened to Monica (Sassy) lately. I have been checking the schedule for a while now and she has been MIA. I know the last time I saw her she told me she was having babysitter issues.
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08-12-08 17:24 #1024
Posts: 332Originally Posted by Qjwin