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03-01-23 09:18 #33176
Posts: 570Nikki
Originally Posted by Mosby321 [View Original Post]
Missionary Man.
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03-01-23 03:06 #33175
Posts: 130Originally Posted by MissionaryMan [View Original Post]
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02-28-23 01:31 #33174
Posts: 222Freedom to loiter for innocent purposes is protected by the 14th amend
Freedom to loiter for innocent purposes is protected by the due process clause of the 14th Amendment and is part of our personal liberty. The way the ordinance defines "loitering" is too vague. There are good reasons why a person might be standing on the street that might not be apparent to a police officer. Loitering laws are often challenged for vagueness and being overly broad.
A statute can be declared "void for vagueness" if it fails to inform the average person of what it is that the law prohibits in a clear and objective manner or fails to provide law enforcement officials with clear and objective standards for its implementation. And it may be declared unconstitutional due to overbreadth of intent and application if it prohibits activities unprotected by the Constitution but might also be used to prohibit constitutionally protected activities.
The first significant challenge to general loitering laws was Papachristou v. City of Jacksonville (1972).
Jacksonville, Florida, passed a law that prohibited loitering and defined loiterers as "persons wandering or strolling around from place to place without any lawful purpose or object."
Loitering laws can have chilling effect on First Amendment rights.
Based on Jacksonville's definition of loitering, the USA Supreme Court declared in a decision written by William O. Douglas that the law was simply too vague to allow the average person to discern what is prohibited and what is not. Taking a daily walk could be considered loitering, subjecting an innocent person to arrest. Such vagueness in the law raises a second concern: "the net is cast large," resulting in the individual police officer having virtually unlimited discretion to decide who is loitering and who is taking a walk.
With no objective standards of guilt, the law not only permitted but even encouraged police to apply the law in an arbitrary and discriminatory manner against "the poor and the unpopular. ".
The Court also found the laws to be overly broad. While the First Amendment does not specifically mention the right to walk or loiter, it does protect a right to free speech, a right to assemble, and a right to petition the government. Jacksonville's definition of loitering was so broad that it could be used to either deny these rights or to have a "chilling effect" on their exercise by threatening an arrest.
Some loitering laws have been rewritten, still been challenged. As a result of Papachristou, most loitering laws were rewritten to include specific offenses associated with loitering — "loitering-plus" ordinances. Nevertheless, those revised laws are subject to the same judicial scrutiny as the previous, more generalized, loitering laws.
Therefore, as I have previously stated loitering is mostly an add on charge to another criminal offense. The law clearly states LOITERING FOR UNLAWFUL PURPOSE, not just LOITERING.
This means the LEO would have to have probable cause of that said UNLAWFUL crime. If it is prostitution that the LEO declares is the crime (which is assumed to be the majority of these arrests), then that LEO had better have proof of sex for money / something of value per statue. If that officer / deputy does not have the REQUIRED PROOF under that prostitution statue and makes the arrest anyway, then an illegal arrest has been made IE; a false arrest which is absolutely actionable. It is the job of LEO to know the law, that's what they get paid to do. Suing the county and LEO individually will help educate them and reward you for the suffering and embarrassment they put you through. It is everyone's duty to follow through with this and file a complaint with the DOJ.
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02-27-23 21:22 #33173
Posts: 222Spinning your wheels going no where is more like it, I stand by what I said
If what you said was true they'd easily have hundreds of arrests by now under that law. Unlike you, I have actual experience in prosecuting 2 different sheriff depts in 2 different counties in Federal court. I bet you never filed a single suit there. So under your logic if I, or an Uber / Lyft driver picks up a "known prostitute" as you say, we go to jail or if a prostitute walks by the area to get food she goes to jail. How the fuck would an Uber driver even know? That would easily defeat a mens rea requirement. The WG has a federal / constitutional right to live and walk to the store, bus stop, friends place, etc. Use your fucking brain, you honestly think the poor WG can't walk or sit anywhere to eat her food? Sorry that's just wrong, not legal in the least bit and violating the most basic fundamental constitutional rights. Even one of the last guys commenting states it is not illegal even if she was a convicted prostitute and case law supports this. It does, he's right and so am I. A false arrest is the restraint or detention by one person of another without lawful justification. There is law, then there is case law. Many laws are not prosecuted that are on the book. Law Vs case law Ex; Per statue in FL I can't have Anything on or covering my license plate. Per case law I can indeed have a cover on my plate, even a tinted one, as long as you can read it at a certain feet. In the event the victims sue the county and the deputy under this loitering law, let's see it get dismissed by the judge, it won't be. If you were my attorney I'd fire you then sue you to get my money back. How about you actually sue the county or the Sheriff's dept then get back to us.
Originally Posted by VincentGambini [View Original Post]
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02-27-23 19:43 #33172
Posts: 1837Obt
Originally Posted by Sicilia21 [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Grain56 [View Original Post]
P.S. Be careful this week, there's a big event in town and LEO may be out in force. Also, you mentioned some of the basic rules you saw trying to be violated, like asking to be paid in advance and won't get in the car, etc. , you are right to be leery, follow the rules and don't ever let your guard down.
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02-27-23 19:21 #33171
Posts: 295Last Thursday night
Was cruising through your town. Had heard a lot about obt and other streets in the vicinity. After some night scouting saw some sws, white and blavk. By the dolls strip club and torwards the mall. Originally didn't head to the mall that night. Had no gps and was searching and getting a layout of the land. Scooped up 2 bsws. But due to cop precense. Lavk of knowledge of spots and price negotiations. Didn't fuck any of them. They either wanted to hold the cash or more than what I was offering. The suply was there so I didn't budge on pricing. Early morning scouted the areas some more, did approach one but she didn't want a ride. Then saw on3 by the schools torwards downtown but cops and school crossing guards were in the vicinity and didn't partake. Did notice a SW but wasnt sure if they were trans so called off the search. Did get a lot of valuable info. Will attenpt again soonish. No images as camera was buszed up.
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02-27-23 19:04 #33170
Posts: 257And the wheels keep turning
Originally Posted by OrlandoMonger [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by OrlandoMonger [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by OrlandoMonger [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by OrlandoMonger [View Original Post]
Bottom line, play smart, follow the rules we all know, including educating oneself with the shared information available on these boards and you should be fine, yes, SHOULD be fine. If you want a guarantee you'll never visit with Uncle LEO, probably time to change hobbies.
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02-27-23 16:50 #33169
Posts: 1837Sahara Desert aka The OQ
I made about 4 passes through the Greater Mall Area from Wendy's at Consulate to the Wawa up in the NQ, starting about 6:30 pm last night. I didn't see a single SW out in the Greater Mall Area from the OQ to Sand Lake. Not a BCBJC Member, not a local SW regular, not a stray DB, not a working soul! I only saw a few civi's. I even stopped at both Wawa's in the two quadrants.
Further to the north, it was a little better. I did see a few at Jordan in the NQ area and then as I continued even further north, I saw a handful in the 40's, 20's and Teen-Numbered Streets.
One thing I will say is that the 7-11 at 39th seems to be one of the places that some of the former OQ girls are hanging out these days. As I have mentioned before, they are centered at the Zada Hotel. Over the past week, I have seen some really decent looking, mostly BSWs that appear that they were formerly OQ regulars. Dressed up, flaunting openly, etc. There were 3 girls hanging out there earlier in the afternoon yesterday, all trying to get dates, that looked better than most of the advertisers you see on many of the sites.
They are pretty bold and blatant. I reported on a couple of them a few weeks back, out walking on 40th exposing a lot of skin. Yesterday, one of the girls out there, wearing a mini skirt, was fully squatting beside the dumpster with her knees spread and her goods on full display. As I passed, she didn't even flinch. At first, I though she was peeing, then I realized that she wasn't peeing and actually was too busy sucking on a glass candy stick to worry about me seeing her fully on display.
I also saw another HSW that looked pretty good across OBT with a handler in tow.
Grain 56.
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02-27-23 09:42 #33168
Posts: 1433Probably right!
They love to do this around big events, so totally makes sense. The bowls games is another time were they do sweeps of the area.
Makes perfect sense.
Originally Posted by Grain56 [View Original Post]
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02-27-23 09:23 #33167
Posts: 53Jessica
The other day I had a dream with Jessica. In my dream she was walking along the mall area. She is a petite brunette WSW and looks like she is in her 30's. Took her to a quite spot and got some nice dtbbbj. She did a good job and also let me have fiv. Took her time and did not rush. Standard 20 tokens and she was on her way. She didn't have digits and I dropped her off in same area then dream was over.
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02-27-23 00:42 #33166
Posts: 92Lake Mary stroll?
Did a little searchimg on the form and didn't see much. Is there a decent spot to keep an eye out?
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02-26-23 16:26 #33165
Posts: 1837Also Important to Note
The Biggest Golf Event of the Year is in town this week. That may explain some of the heat turned up in the South End of the Trail.
Uncle seems to be doing some other clean up as well. For example, there is a family with 2 small children that literally have taken up "camp" in the swale along Sand Lake Road near the Publix on the West side of the road near Dr. Phillips. They have a large make-shift shelter made from various coverings set up on the swale and have been living there for months and months. They probably make big bank from donations of caring citizens, especially with all the upscale patrons that frequent that area. Anyway, unless I missed them being out there today when I passed by, I didn't see them or their tent. They were there earlier this week. I saw them twice. Quite odd.
My guess, knowing that the PGA is in town this coming week and Orlando will be on the World Stage (in that very same general area) plus knowing that some of the most high-end and popular restaurants are on that very strip, where they have their colorful shelter built along the road, is that they have been conveniently relocated. Maybe to an actual hotel for a period of time, all to get them from shedding such a horrible light on that high-end area for all to see.
Anyway, it's a big event week here in the city beautiful. Uncle usually sets up shop and many times goes after the providers as well as the mongers before and during the event. Stay safe, mind your P's & Q's.
Gran 56.
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02-26-23 12:29 #33164
Posts: 1837Trail Dead in the South
Originally Posted by NotACop1 [View Original Post]
The county charge of "loitering for unlawful purposes" is working it appears, down near the mall anyway, based on your observations. Once the Texas and Cali Girls aka the BCBJC Members catch wind that Uncle is hitting them back with petty charges, they may be less likely to come out. Making them take a limo ride, pay check-out fees to leave, then be expected to show up for a time share presentation at a future date, isn't sitting well. Even if the charges are bogus, they still have to go through the motions and risk a FTA charge later on if they don't show up for the first bogus charge date. That of course, if the charges aren't already dropped by then.
I am not aware of any of those loitering for UP charges (as well as the uptick in the "remaining in a place for prost" charges) taking place outside of the Greater Mall area. They seem to leaving the NQ and North alone.
The 20's and 40's Streets have been a little lighter in attendance, but they are still out there.
As far as worrying about dudes getting that same charge for just driving by or by talking to someone, I haven't seen a single male charged with that county charge. Yet. What this uptick in activity does show though is that they are definitely watching the activities of the blatant SWs in the South part of the Trail. I think it was mentioned earlier, I am sure the businesses have been complaining, plus Spring Break is just around the corner and you know the Mouse and Wizard want your hard earned money to be spent on family entertainment inside their respective walls, not out on OBT. LOL.
The local tax money being wasted on all the "free" legal help, room, board, etc. For all these out of town ne'er-do-wells will eventually be called out as well, as was mentioned. I am sure once they get zero guilty results or fines paid for dozens and dozens of arrests.
Grain 56.
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02-26-23 11:49 #33163
Posts: 2088Also if you are stopped only say that you were offer her a ride. Do say anything or exp; ain further. Just remember you are innocent until proven guilty. The police or the prosecutor cannot prove otherwise unless you admit to it for loiteing.
Originally Posted by MongerSeeker [View Original Post]
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02-26-23 10:09 #33162
Posts: 27Christina
Christina will be out between BK and wawa. Seniors can get #.