Massage Parlor Reports

[Bunker Buster]

I was curious to see where Leyla, the owner of H&H, landed after the spa closed, and thought I'd look her up and say hello. Unfortunately, what I found was a legal notice appointing her son as trustee for her estate.

Leyla left us on September 17,2014. She was a nice lady who took a personal interest in her regulars. I never figured out how much she knew about what went on, but she seemed too savvy to be clueless.

For another chance to see her and hear her voice, here's a video of her promoting her coffee sauce. She apparently made a lot of money selling cookies in the 1980's.

https://youtu.be/EKseci8HMI4

To have her face in your cupboard, look for a jar of her coffee sauce.

http://rivista-cdn.bethesdamagazine....ver=1377720225

I'm sorry I didn't look her up sooner, and have the chance to see her again while she was still alive. There will never be another like her.

[Member #6465]

I went to this place in the past and posted my findings. Stopped going due to above average tipping expectations. Some of the girls are very pretty and service was good to very good but expensive. They are now advertising both lower prices and an Asian provider. Would appreciate any info about changes here and the Asian provider. Feel free to pm.

[SonChi]

Checked them out on line, went without an appointment. In office park setting, I went on a weekend. Provider opens, young and pretty, very slim with perky tits. I asked for an hour, she asked if I had been before, I said no, she suggested half hour, I asked does it include TS, she said that is for hour only, I said let's go.

TS with her hands everywhere, nice, not rushed.

Massage was nice, actually decent therapy. Standard NOVA flip. Seems open minded for more with more $$.

Damage: . 6 + . 6.

Summary: I may return if with another provider. She did not do it for me but will please others.

[SonChi]

This is confusing.

There is an International Sex Guide board that is helpful. I've been, but hobbying is a bit difficult there as a 'newbie'. Internet is censored, so do your research and get your contact info written down before you go. Because pretty much everything you'll need will be censored.

If you want to play in Dubai, just go out dancing or to a bar and pick up a girl who lives there. The ratio of available men is tough, and I have been successful on one night stands. Be careful with the Russian models. They are incredibly expensive, used to being around millionaires and being spoiled for being pretty, and are usually not worth it. If you want a massage, just get one and do not expect anything after unless you go to an Asian provider. Then things will feel familiar when they whisper in your ear before the flip.

For the rest of Europe, the International version of this site has worked well for me, or just inbox me. I am new to the US, but know my way around Europe and Asia and will share to earn my place here.

[Triple E]

While I hate that this has just become the nostalgia train thanks to DC being dead, I'll add my two cents.

Just found myself driving up Wisconsin the other day, and there's no trace of H&H anymore. Good times were had there, and the variety of not being an AMP (I did hit many of those too) was good. Anyone know if any of those girls are still around. I lost all my numbers when I had to ditch an old burner phone for security reasons.

[JmSuttr]

I've been to two places where I stiffed on a tip. Both were "legit" places with ads strongly suggesting FBSM.

I've also walked out of two where the girl asked for what I considered to be an unreasonable amount. I'm not a negotiator, and I don't want a provider I've had to talk down from what she said she wanted.

I've been to a couple of FS places (in another city) where there was no discussion of money at all. You were assumed to know what to leave at the end. Very civilized.

In general, the Mamasan collects the house fee ($60-$80) when she leaves you in the room. For a HE, the girl may just rely on you to tip ($40+), or may want you to pay her before she proceeds.

In most FS places, the best practice is to leave the tip in visible place. Seems like the charge has crept up from $100 to $140 most places in recent years.

Still a bargain. You're dealing with professionals with a reputation to uphold. While they're putting themselves at risk, there's very little that can go seriously wrong for the customer. They're not going to rat you out if things go bad. Seldom to customers get busted in AMP raids. It's too tough to make the charges stick.

There are some third-party services that are often hired to write and post the ads which is why so many of them look similar and use the same kinds of fake pics. So, if you go into a spa that you think might offer extras, but it doesn't happen for you, it's not an automatic conclusion that the place is playing some kind of bait-and-switch game.

Of course, there are plenty of reasons why even a known rub-and-tug shop may temporarily suspend extras (recent LE or county licensing attention, new management, new girls, etc.) so it's hard to know for sure. My rule of thumb is to assume a place is legit unless they've been mentioned on a review site or discussed in this forum. That way if something more happens, it's a pleasant surprise.

But either way (IMHO) if a massage is actually given then an appropriate tip is in order. I apply the same standard that I do to restaurant servers in that even below average service deserves something (even if only 5-10%) for the effort. For me to not leave any tip at all, the other person would have to do something that was clearly obnoxious or offensive.

[Member #5432]

One of my first AMP experiences was in DC, at a Korean place just south of Dupont, I think it was on 19th, a walk up, above some psychic. There was one girl there, Won, or something like that, that was amazing! I know it has since shut down.

Though it has been a few years, I'll be back in DC in a few weeks and wondering if there is any hope of finding a decent AMP? Is Qi Spa worth the visit? Or any others one might recommend?

Feel free to pm me.

TIA.

RW.

[John2526]

So I'm obviously new to the AMP scene, but I wanted to get started on the right foot. I've searched around the forum for a bit but I'm still not clear. Can someone go over tipping with me. Specificlly if the house fee is. 4 for a hh what should the tip be for average service. And is that tip based on a percentage or is it flat. Also (and I this would be my burning question), would not tipping at all be on the level of blasphemy?

Many thanks.

I've been to two places where I stiffed on a tip. Both were "legit" places with ads strongly suggesting FBSM.

I've also walked out of two where the girl asked for what I considered to be an unreasonable amount. I'm not a negotiator, and I don't want a provider I've had to talk down from what she said she wanted.

I've been to a couple of FS places (in another city) where there was no discussion of money at all. You were assumed to know what to leave at the end. Very civilized.

In general, the Mamasan collects the house fee ($60-$80) when she leaves you in the room. For a HE, the girl may just rely on you to tip ($40+), or may want you to pay her before she proceeds.

In most FS places, the best practice is to leave the tip in visible place. Seems like the charge has crept up from $100 to $140 most places in recent years.

Still a bargain. You're dealing with professionals with a reputation to uphold. While they're putting themselves at risk, there's very little that can go seriously wrong for the customer. They're not going to rat you out if things go bad. Seldom to customers get busted in AMP raids. It's too tough to make the charges stick.

[Max #01]

So I'm obviously new to the AMP scene, but I wanted to get started on the right foot. I've searched around the forum for a bit but I'm still not clear. Can someone go over tipping with me. Specificlly if the house fee is. 4 for a hh what should the tip be for average service. And is that tip based on a percentage or is it flat. Also (and I this would be my burning question), would not tipping at all be on the level of blasphemy?

Many thanks.

I agree 100% with JmSuttr's comments and would add that AMPs generally are the model of consistency in this strange and sometimes risky hobby. I'll follow up with a PM in a few minutes.

[JmSuttr]

So I'm obviously new to the AMP scene, but I wanted to get started on the right foot. I've searched around the forum for a bit but I'm still not clear. Can someone go over tipping with me. Specificlly if the house fee is. 4 for a hh what should the tip be for average service. And is that tip based on a percentage or is it flat. Also (and I this would be my burning question), would not tipping at all be on the level of blasphemy?

Many thanks.

As in all things, it depends. Here are some general guidelines which you may need to adjust to specific circumstances. I'm sure other hobbyists will have their own opinions but I've never had any issues with these tip amounts over many years of hobbying.

For strictly legit massage: Sometimes you go into an AMP expecting extras and it just doesn't happen. IMHO, regular tipping protocols apply (10%-20% If you don't tip at all, unless you had the sh*ttiest service ever, you will have forever burned your bridge at that AMP (deservedly so, massage is not easy work). If you get a really outstanding massage and you think you'll visit again, consider tipping a bit extra because it will definitely be remembered on your next visit.

For FBSM, the tipping tends to be flat amounts which are more independent of the massage (and even the length of the appt) and more dependent on the sensual portion of the session. For a regular HE with the masseuse remaining fully clothed and no, or very limited roaming allowed, $40 is the tip amt I give and is what I've seen most often in this forum. Consider $60 if some clothes come off or more extensive UTC roaming is allowed, $80 if oral services are available (give or receive) and $100 for FS.

The most important point about these guidelines, IMHO, is they help you know when you're being played for a sucker (and not in a good way) if the girl gives you the hard sell and claims she "always" gets $100 for a HJ and clients are happy to pay just to be in her presence. If you get that line of BS, my advice is to decline any extras and say you just want the massage. Since AMP girls work on tips, she'll either give in or maybe just continue with what will probably end up to be a pretty crappy massage. But, unless you agreed to her upsell, you weren't going to get decent service anyway. So best to save your hard-earned $, chalk it up to experience and move on. And, if you're sure you'll never visit again, you could tip less than the guidelines (for legit massage) and tell her you didn't appreciate the upselling tactics. In some cases the girl will just stop completely if you decline extras because she doesn't want to waste her time. In such cases I fully endorse leaving no tip at all.

A couple of other points, hh appts may save a little $ on the front end but can often lead to rushed svc from even good AMP providers. I normally go for hr appts because it helps me better evaluate whether the girl is worth a repeat visit. And if you do find a gem and have a great time, always get her name and, if possible, her personal phone nr. That will help you keep track of her when (not if) she moves to another spa. Finally, if you do settle on one girl who gives you good svc, it's not a good idea to try another girl at the same spa. AMP girls are pretty possessive of their good clients and absolutely gossip about clients, so there's no way your visit will go unnoticed. So if you see a different girl don't be surprised if you get a negative reaction and / or lower quality svc from the regular girl. One possible exception to that advice is if your main girl goes on vacation. Asian women who go back to China / Korea / Thailand / wherever usually go for weeks or months. If that happens you should be able to see others at that spa without a problem.

So that's my 2 cents worth and I'm sure others will chime in with their advice. Good luck, stay safe and happy hunting!

[CuriousPaul]

So I'm obviously new to the AMP scene, but I wanted to get started on the right foot. I've searched around the forum for a bit but I'm still not clear. Can someone go over tipping with me. Specificlly if the house fee is. 4 for a hh what should the tip be for average service. And is that tip based on a percentage or is it flat. Also (and I this would be my burning question), would not tipping at all be on the level of blasphemy?

Many thanks.

[BuckshotWatson]

Dupont on Connecticut had some standouts too, and they had a freestanding sauna in the middle of the hall that was like being in a pod, but was great to warm up in for 10 minutes after the shower. They didn't count the sauna against massage time, so an hour session typically ran 10-15 minutes over because they weren't rushing. Things with Mimi were so good that they slipped over into BBFS. There was also a real Japanese girl there who would give me a quality chiropractic adjustment all around.

Diana at Accu-MacArthur was incredibly beautiful. She would only LFK with me, and I wanted to DFK her so badly that I ended up rimming her, which she appreciated. Even though she wasn't quite GFE, I kept going back 4-5 times because she was so pretty and so nice.

Sorry for piling on the nostalgia train, but the Accu reference hit home- there was a girl (can't remember her name) that rang my bells. Beautiful, smoking body, great attitude, and amazing everything else. I literally remember thinking, in the middle of her ministrations, "why did I get married, and / or why would I ever get married again?

[CabDriver52]

Dragon was around for less than a year, maybe '99, in an old three-story walk-up around 14th and G, before everything got knocked down and replaced with a concrete / glass box.

One time I was there, and got a girl who looked like a young Lucy Liu. When I finished, I was so stoked for her that I had to go a second round, which she agreed to. The older mamasan was outside the door bitching about overtime, but I just kept pouring coal until I got that second cup.

After I tipped Lucy Liu an extra Jackson and walked out, old mamasan was annoyed as hell and wanted more money, but couldn't get her syntax straight. She kept saying "I PAY YOU EXTRA FOR OVER TIME" and "I OWE YOU MONEY. " I laughed and said "that sounds good to me. " The main mamasan smoothed things over and I didn't have to pay more.

Downtown was indeed the Platinum Standard in the era of 10-girl lineups. For a while, a tongue-bath, BBBJ, and DFK seemed almost standard, at least for me. The best-ever there was Maya, a slender beauty. She was performing an alien anal probe while in RACG, then turned sideways to face the mirror while staying in ACG. She had both feet on my right side, with her left hand continuing the probe and her right hand playing with my nipples. I remember convulsions and levitation, and they probably heard me out on Vermont Ave. I saw her a few more times until she went 'on vacation' and never came back.

1818 had a brief period of amazing lineups too.

Sue who was at Mega for a few months in '02 was also one of the best ever. Mutual shower, tongue bath, extended rimming, then she would lick my feet and suck on my big toes, which had an amazing effect. She gave me her personal phone number, but when I called, some American guy who said he was her live-in boyfriend took the phone away from her and yelled at me.

Dupont on Connecticut had some standouts too, and they had a freestanding sauna in the middle of the hall that was like being in a pod, but was great to warm up in for 10 minutes after the shower. They didn't count the sauna against massage time, so an hour session typically ran 10-15 minutes over because they weren't rushing. Things with Mimi were so good that they slipped over into BBFS. There was also a real Japanese girl there who would give me a quality chiropractic adjustment all around.

Diana at Accu-MacArthur was incredibly beautiful. She would only LFK with me, and I wanted to DFK her so badly that I ended up rimming her, which she appreciated. Even though she wasn't quite GFE, I kept going back 4-5 times because she was so pretty and so nice.

I was one of the first customers at Rio, and they always treated me like an insider. I was there on a slow night, so mamasan asked if I had a little more for a 2-girl session. For an extra $40, I think, I had a 4-hand massage, then hands and mouths everywhere. One rode ACG while the other DFK, then I switched to mish, then finished with her legs on my shoulders while the other one was kneeling behind and rimming. Wish I remembered their names.

Supra also had some stars, as did CPHC. Royal was sometimes great, and sometimes disappointing.

Happiness on the corner was my go-to place for a while; can't remember any names there.

From around '96 until DHS started raiding the places in '03 or so, on the theory that enforcing immigration laws against Asian women was just as good for national security as hunting down Yemenis who'd overstayed their visas, DC had one of the best spa scenes on the East coast (Philly was outstanding too). There were so many places popping up on Connecticut, in Georgetown, on 9th, 11th, 14th, NY Ave, RI Ave, Wisconsin, and on every other block, that my night's entertainment was often window-shopping in and out of different places and viewing the line-up until I found THE ONE that I had to have. If nothing suited me at one place, I'd keep moving, and almost always found something memorable.

When I read the reviews these days, it's beyond disappointing. Tragic, really.

I remember Dragon (I thought it was called Sun).

The only location where I was gifted with two girls in a huge bed, all the way up. One worked the pipe and one rimmed me. Then they switched. They switched back and forth.

Riding the pony and other positions. Seriously good times here. Very sad it's gone.

Supra was tip top as well, went many times. Once the girl just wanted to keep me happy and kept going when the doorbell was ringing over and over.

Orange was really good, girls were always well taken care of and very shapely.

CPHC was a true favorite though. I remember looking out the window at the boys in blue, chasing some poor slob down for running the light or some other such shit.

Clean, and accommodating was the way it went. I remember the 'asian cab' the girls went place to place in, and walking up Connecticut ave to my car. Close enough.

To visit a few times a week, the cash I spent here.

I usually had dinner out after a ST, or went for a beer or two. Or I'd call a buddy and we'd hang out. Now, nothing.

I miss it but was there and will always remember with a smile.

Cabbie!

[Purple45]

I posted earlier about the places in DC that closed. I've been out of the AMP game since that Wednesday when all the places were raided, but on a whim went to place in the Philadelphia area while traveling this week. I used intel from the PA board and everything went great. As I was getting dressed to leave, the provider mentioned this site by name and not to post anything about her here. That was a first.

A lot of posts about the past recently. I arrived in the DC area in 2003 after a stint of overseas duty and discovered 1333 Connecticut Ave NW near DuPont Circle. I stuck with this one because the girls were always a 7 or better, in there early 20's and the rotation was every so often. I also remember that day in 2006 because I was visiting a foreign country and read online the raids that occurred in several major cities across the country. 1333 Connecticut was raided and the owner was charged with Human Trafficking. It was very sobering at the time and still is today to think that the girls had no choice in the work and couldn't leave it until their obligation was paid off. I quit the AMP experience for five years but slowly returned after I left the DC but only to legitimate AMPs with no slave labor.

I will be returning for a Nationals game soon and thought about trying a AMP in DC again but by reading the posts there seems to be no life in the AMP experience even after 9 years.

[Bunker Buster]

I'll bump "Downtown" to Platinum status, along with the now defunct "Ginza" that was on 11st NW between O and P streets. Ohhh, I got to add Accu-Fitness that was on McAuther Blvd. Top 3 Rotation!!!.

X . . . Always left feeling like a wet noodle!

Dragon was around for less than a year, maybe '99, in an old three-story walk-up around 14th and G, before everything got knocked down and replaced with a concrete / glass box.

One time I was there, and got a girl who looked like a young Lucy Liu. When I finished, I was so stoked for her that I had to go a second round, which she agreed to. The older mamasan was outside the door bitching about overtime, but I just kept pouring coal until I got that second cup.

After I tipped Lucy Liu an extra Jackson and walked out, old mamasan was annoyed as hell and wanted more money, but couldn't get her syntax straight. She kept saying "I PAY YOU EXTRA FOR OVER TIME" and "I OWE YOU MONEY. " I laughed and said "that sounds good to me. " The main mamasan smoothed things over and I didn't have to pay more.

Downtown was indeed the Platinum Standard in the era of 10-girl lineups. For a while, a tongue-bath, BBBJ, and DFK seemed almost standard, at least for me. The best-ever there was Maya, a slender beauty. She was performing an alien anal probe while in RACG, then turned sideways to face the mirror while staying in ACG. She had both feet on my right side, with her left hand continuing the probe and her right hand playing with my nipples. I remember convulsions and levitation, and they probably heard me out on Vermont Ave. I saw her a few more times until she went 'on vacation' and never came back.

1818 had a brief period of amazing lineups too.

Sue who was at Mega for a few months in '02 was also one of the best ever. Mutual shower, tongue bath, extended rimming, then she would lick my feet and suck on my big toes, which had an amazing effect. She gave me her personal phone number, but when I called, some American guy who said he was her live-in boyfriend took the phone away from her and yelled at me.

Dupont on Connecticut had some standouts too, and they had a freestanding sauna in the middle of the hall that was like being in a pod, but was great to warm up in for 10 minutes after the shower. They didn't count the sauna against massage time, so an hour session typically ran 10-15 minutes over because they weren't rushing. Things with Mimi were so good that they slipped over into BBFS. There was also a real Japanese girl there who would give me a quality chiropractic adjustment all around.

Diana at Accu-MacArthur was incredibly beautiful. She would only LFK with me, and I wanted to DFK her so badly that I ended up rimming her, which she appreciated. Even though she wasn't quite GFE, I kept going back 4-5 times because she was so pretty and so nice.

I was one of the first customers at Rio, and they always treated me like an insider. I was there on a slow night, so mamasan asked if I had a little more for a 2-girl session. For an extra $40, I think, I had a 4-hand massage, then hands and mouths everywhere. One rode ACG while the other DFK, then I switched to mish, then finished with her legs on my shoulders while the other one was kneeling behind and rimming. Wish I remembered their names.

Supra also had some stars, as did CPHC. Royal was sometimes great, and sometimes disappointing.

Happiness on the corner was my go-to place for a while; can't remember any names there.

From around '96 until DHS started raiding the places in '03 or so, on the theory that enforcing immigration laws against Asian women was just as good for national security as hunting down Yemenis who'd overstayed their visas, DC had one of the best spa scenes on the East coast (Philly was outstanding too). There were so many places popping up on Connecticut, in Georgetown, on 9th, 11th, 14th, NY Ave, RI Ave, Wisconsin, and on every other block, that my night's entertainment was often window-shopping in and out of different places and viewing the line-up until I found THE ONE that I had to have. If nothing suited me at one place, I'd keep moving, and almost always found something memorable.

When I read the reviews these days, it's beyond disappointing. Tragic, really.