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  1. #2985
    Quote Originally Posted by Concupiscent69  [View Original Post]
    Overall, if all else fails with a provider, let it go. There are far too many other gals in the field than to worry about a questionable one. They don't care about you other than what they can get. It's your job to watch out for you.

    Stay safe.
    Plus one. Too many guys say "fuck it I'm here" and hope for the best. It doesn't matter if she's an escort, stripper, SW, sugar baby, whatever, cut her ass loose if something doesn't go right. Trust your gut not your little head.

  2. #2984
    Quote Originally Posted by Concupiscent69  [View Original Post]
    Sixth. As HM stated, never use your own place, at the least, with a first time provider. Build trust then consider it down the road if you see her frequently.
    You can NEVER trust a hooker no matter how cool you are with her. If her dude tells her to leave the backdoor unlocked she's going to do it.

  3. #2983
    Quote Originally Posted by Concupiscent69  [View Original Post]
    Fourth. Leave your wallet in the car. Carry just the amount of cash you need in your pocket. Again, protection of theft. Also turn your phone to silent and hide it. I would say also keep in car but it may be needed in cases of a flee and when you're walking back to your vehicle.
    If you're going to do this find a really, really good spot to hide your shit and do it before you get to the notel.

  4. #2982
    Quote Originally Posted by Concupiscent69  [View Original Post]
    Third. Scoping the area is a very good idea, though I go a step further and park farther away, if possible. At a motel / hotel, very easy to park at a local business and walk. Provider asked what you're driving? None of her business. Tell them you're walking, make up a car or just tell them you parked elsewhere. Again, this protects you from a providers pimps or other connections who may rob your car.
    Some escorts won't tell you the room number unless you park where they tell you, they want to see you getting out of your car. Personally I won't do it, I'll find someone else.

  5. #2981
    Quote Originally Posted by Concupiscent69  [View Original Post]

    First. You do not need to purchase a separate phone for a different number. There are many text apps that use a different number on your own phone and you can change the number often. The number you pick will be the number that displays when you text and / or call, and yes, many of them allow calls. I use one that earns calling minutes by paying or watching 2 minutes videos. I have a buttload of minutes built up. Using a different number not only keeps you safe from a providers repercussion of a bad transaction, but from LEO if they are ever arrested tat provider. AND. "NO", the number cannot be traced back to you.
    I wouldn't be so sure of that. You're downloading an app to your contract phone that's in your name so the app number (s) is connected to your contract number. I'm not saying LE will do it but from an IT POV it can be done.

  6. #2980
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTrackStar  [View Original Post]
    No escort (unless you know her real well) is going to let you pay after
    I found that to be true with the cheaper escorts. In my experience, the ones that are getting higher dollar wait until you're time is up.

  7. #2979
    Quote Originally Posted by Jd2011  [View Original Post]
    Great advice guys. That's great for newbies and seasoned vets alike. Always good to read to remind you about the perils of the game. If I may add.....this rule is difficult; I break it often myself. Make your best effort to think with the BIG HEAD. You may miss out on opportunity at times, but it will save your ass in the long run. Also as C69 said, show the girl the money if you must but ALWAYS PAY AFTER SERVICES. If she balks at this, then immediately bail. Most likely the service would have sucked anyway; and not in a good way.
    No escort (unless you know her real well) is going to let you pay after.

  8. #2978
    Great advice guys. That's great for newbies and seasoned vets alike. Always good to read to remind you about the perils of the game. If I may add.....this rule is difficult; I break it often myself. Make your best effort to think with the BIG HEAD. You may miss out on opportunity at times, but it will save your ass in the long run. Also as C69 said, show the girl the money if you must but ALWAYS PAY AFTER SERVICES. If she balks at this, then immediately bail. Most likely the service would have sucked anyway; and not in a good way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Concupiscent69  [View Original Post]
    Actually, this is sound advice, but I want to stress the importance of anonymity.

    First. You do not need to purchase a separate phone for a different number. There are many text apps that use a different number on your own phone and you can change the number often. The number you pick will be the number that displays when you text and / or call, and yes, many of them allow calls. I use one that earns calling minutes by paying or watching 2 minutes videos. I have a buttload of minutes built up. Using a different number not only keeps you safe from a providers repercussion of a bad transaction, but from LEO if they are ever arrested tat provider. AND. "NO", the number cannot be traced back to you.

    Second. Never use your real name, same reason for above. Eliminate any evidence to you. If providers can use fake names, why can't you?

    Third. Scoping the area is a very good idea, though I go a step further and park farther away, if possible. At a motel / hotel, very easy to park at a local business and walk. Provider asked what you're driving? None of her business. Tell them you're walking, make up a car or just tell them you parked elsewhere. Again, this protects you from a providers pimps or other connections who may rob your car.

    Fourth. Leave your wallet in the car. Carry just the amount of cash you need in your pocket. Again, protection of theft. Also turn your phone to silent and hide it. I would say also keep in car but it may be needed in cases of a flee and when you're walking back to your vehicle.

    Fifth. For me at least, I no longer hand the girl cash first. I show her, then place it under my clothes, which I ensure are closer to me. One plus is I look honest, therefore, they trust me and a legit provider is OK with it. I am tired of some gals trying to grab and run or provider shitty service and I get no discount. But so far, I haven't been too disappointed. Also, seeing a provider regularly, they know you're good for it anyway. I only had one incident wit an attempt grab and dash. It was an interesting attempt but I won.

    Sixth. As HM stated, never use your own place, at the least, with a first time provider. Build trust then consider it down the road if you see her frequently.

    Seventh. Again, as HM stated, never send a photo of yourself. The provider doesn't need to see who you are. They take all types of customers unless they state otherwise. They only care about the money.

    Overall, if all else fails with a provider, let it go. There are far too many other gals in the field than to worry about a questionable one. They don't care about you other than what they can get. It's your job to watch out for you.

    Stay safe.

  9. #2977
    Quote Originally Posted by HardMuscle1  [View Original Post]
    Hi Everyone, I've had a couple of Newbies reach out to me asking for advice and I decided to share what I have replied with and hoping that some of you may chime in and give your advice and insight on this hobby and how to be successful, as I'm NOT by any means the most educated or seasoned person out here!

    First and foremost, Be Honest with yourself and what it is that you're looking for? Many of us are here for different reasons. Some don't have anyone or the time to go out and meet someone in public and just need someone else to get them off. Others like a variety of different woman / men and just feel it's easier to pay with nsa. Some are married / significant others and need to try something new. You get my point?

    Never use your personal phone to research or setup appointments. Grab another cheap phone and service plan that you don't need attached to your name.

    Do as much research on the person that you want to go and see before setting up an appointment. Browse posts, google pictures, numbers etc. Once you have a person in mind and decide to setup an appointment, outcall to a hotel of your choice is probably best. Never to your private residence. If you choose to go to their incall, again do your research and drive by the area looking for le presence, marked or people just sitting in vehicles close by the location that could be surveillance or even handlers out to rob you. Always trust your instincts, if it doesn't look or feel right, odds are it probably isn't.

    There's a lot of good information on this board and several reputable providers that have been mentioned that cover pretty much anything that you're looking for, so some of the research has been done for you.

    YMMV. Your miles may vary, is usually always a factor. A provider may be spooked by you or actually be turned on by you and you may get less or more depending on your interactions. Usually a good thing to be polite but there's a fine line to where a provider will think you're a sucker and try to overcharge you.
    Actually, this is sound advice, but I want to stress the importance of anonymity.

    First. You do not need to purchase a separate phone for a different number. There are many text apps that use a different number on your own phone and you can change the number often. The number you pick will be the number that displays when you text and / or call, and yes, many of them allow calls. I use one that earns calling minutes by paying or watching 2 minutes videos. I have a buttload of minutes built up. Using a different number not only keeps you safe from a providers repercussion of a bad transaction, but from LEO if they are ever arrested tat provider. AND. "NO", the number cannot be traced back to you.

    Second. Never use your real name, same reason for above. Eliminate any evidence to you. If providers can use fake names, why can't you?

    Third. Scoping the area is a very good idea, though I go a step further and park farther away, if possible. At a motel / hotel, very easy to park at a local business and walk. Provider asked what you're driving? None of her business. Tell them you're walking, make up a car or just tell them you parked elsewhere. Again, this protects you from a providers pimps or other connections who may rob your car.

    Fourth. Leave your wallet in the car. Carry just the amount of cash you need in your pocket. Again, protection of theft. Also turn your phone to silent and hide it. I would say also keep in car but it may be needed in cases of a flee and when you're walking back to your vehicle.

    Fifth. For me at least, I no longer hand the girl cash first. I show her, then place it under my clothes, which I ensure are closer to me. One plus is I look honest, therefore, they trust me and a legit provider is OK with it. I am tired of some gals trying to grab and run or provider shitty service and I get no discount. But so far, I haven't been too disappointed. Also, seeing a provider regularly, they know you're good for it anyway. I only had one incident wit an attempt grab and dash. It was an interesting attempt but I won.

    Sixth. As HM stated, never use your own place, at the least, with a first time provider. Build trust then consider it down the road if you see her frequently.

    Seventh. Again, as HM stated, never send a photo of yourself. The provider doesn't need to see who you are. They take all types of customers unless they state otherwise. They only care about the money.

    Overall, if all else fails with a provider, let it go. There are far too many other gals in the field than to worry about a questionable one. They don't care about you other than what they can get. It's your job to watch out for you.

    Stay safe.

  10. #2976

    Newbie advice

    Hi Everyone, I've had a couple of Newbies reach out to me asking for advice and I decided to share what I have replied with and hoping that some of you may chime in and give your advice and insight on this hobby and how to be successful, as I'm NOT by any means the most educated or seasoned person out here!

    First and foremost, Be Honest with yourself and what it is that you're looking for? Many of us are here for different reasons. Some don't have anyone or the time to go out and meet someone in public and just need someone else to get them off. Others like a variety of different woman / men and just feel it's easier to pay with nsa. Some are married / significant others and need to try something new. You get my point?

    Never use your personal phone to research or setup appointments. Grab another cheap phone and service plan that you don't need attached to your name.

    Do as much research on the person that you want to go and see before setting up an appointment. Browse posts, google pictures, numbers etc. Once you have a person in mind and decide to setup an appointment, outcall to a hotel of your choice is probably best. Never to your private residence. If you choose to go to their incall, again do your research and drive by the area looking for le presence, marked or people just sitting in vehicles close by the location that could be surveillance or even handlers out to rob you. Always trust your instincts, if it doesn't look or feel right, odds are it probably isn't.

    There's a lot of good information on this board and several reputable providers that have been mentioned that cover pretty much anything that you're looking for, so some of the research has been done for you.

    YMMV. Your miles may vary, is usually always a factor. A provider may be spooked by you or actually be turned on by you and you may get less or more depending on your interactions. Usually a good thing to be polite but there's a fine line to where a provider will think you're a sucker and try to overcharge you.

    I prefer text to the provider and let them send you a menu and prices. Never talk about specific acts for money. That's why we use a lot of lingo and donations or roses. Etc.

    Never send anyone your picture or reveal anything about your true identity to a provider or anyone for that matter.

    I'm sure I've missed a bunch but try and digest what I've sent to you and let me know if you have any questions?

    Stay Safe Everyone!

  11. #2975

    Comparisons

    Quote Originally Posted by JimBob64  [View Original Post]
    Michigan went from 2 to 30,000 cases in 5 wks and detroit has had 500 deaths in 5 wks. The std numbers are for a full yr.
    Furthermore, there is NO COMPARISON. Just think what the numbers of Covid-19 would be like if people weren't staying at home keeping this all in check.

  12. #2974

    Its the rate of increase over time that's important

    Quote Originally Posted by JimBob64  [View Original Post]
    Michigan went from 2 to 30,000 cases in 5 wks and detroit has had 500 deaths in 5 wks. The std numbers are for a full yr.
    It has more than a linear positive slope.

    STDs are linear or slightly more, unless they are raging out of control.

    This is almost exponential.

    Until something interferes with it.

    Social distancing could interfere with how fast.

    Also it will ultimately slow after most people get it.

    Google the SIR model.

    Some will not add survive, most will.

  13. #2973
    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteBrik  [View Original Post]
    When you look at it from a different angle, there are slightly over 2 million residents of Wayne County (I just picked Wayne as an example) there are at this time roughly 2700 cases of Covid. Sure to rise as more testing occurs. The math (which I suck at) makes that about a. 0015% chance of exposure. These numbers will surely rise as more testing is done.

    The rates for STD's (in 2018) for Wayne county is 21,679, nearly 10 times the rate for Covid. Interestingly enough there are a few hundred cases of Syphillis in Macomb County but none reported in Wayne. Not sure if that's poor reporting or what.

    Anyway. As of today you are more likely contract a STD than the current concerns. The media likes to make headlines using the terms 'skyrocketing' & 'explosive' to garner ratings. Just keep in mind you are about 10 times more likely to catch STD's as of today. Things may change in the weeks to come.

    I'm not saying throw caution to the wind, truly I am not. If you are uncomfortable with the current events, by all means stay home and limit exposure to your family. If you're single and limiting your contact to the outside world while partaking of the hobby, you seem to be at greater risk of catching a STD.

    Just don't fall victim to media reporting, do some research and come to your own conclusions.

    Hopefully y'all stay healthy & stay safe!
    Michigan went from 2 to 30,000 cases in 5 wks and detroit has had 500 deaths in 5 wks. The std numbers are for a full yr.

  14. #2972
    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteBrik  [View Original Post]
    When you look at it from a different angle, there are slightly over 2 million residents of Wayne County (I just picked Wayne as an example) there are at this time roughly 2700 cases of Covid. Sure to rise as more testing occurs. The math (which I suck at) makes that about a. 0015% chance of exposure. These numbers will surely rise as more testing is done.

    The rates for STD's (in 2018) for Wayne county is 21,679, nearly 10 times the rate for Covid. Interestingly enough there are a few hundred cases of Syphillis in Macomb County but none reported in Wayne. Not sure if that's poor reporting or what.

    Anyway. As of today you are more likely contract a STD than the current concerns. The media likes to make headlines using the terms 'skyrocketing' & 'explosive' to garner ratings. Just keep in mind you are about 10 times more likely to catch STD's as of today. Things may change in the weeks to come.

    I'm not saying throw caution to the wind, truly I am not. If you are uncomfortable with the current events, by all means stay home and limit exposure to your family. If you're single and limiting your contact to the outside world while partaking of the hobby, you seem to be at greater risk of catching a STD.

    Just don't fall victim to media reporting, do some research and come to your own conclusions.

    Hopefully y'all stay healthy & stay safe!
    EVERYONE NEEDS TO WATCH THIS FOX 2 NEWS CLIP, PLEASE.

    I won't argue the numbers with you (I suck at math too), I'm sure the odds of getting an STD or even winning the lottery are greater then getting C-19. But people are dying at the point that funeral homes can't keep up with the workload. C-19 is killing people at a faster pace then any other disease, murder rate, accidental death, suicide, etc. I hope some of you guys watch this Fox 2 news clip and then think twice before seeing any service provider. I'd rather stop mongering for 30 days so I can keep mongering for the next 30 years. Think about it, safe hunting.

    https://www.fox2detroit.com/video/674679

  15. #2971
    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteBrik  [View Original Post]
    Looks like Diva is working Detroit too.

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