General Reports

[DirtyDano]

IMO, it's because most guys never get laid so they don't have it in them to say no and walk away. When you have been with 100 plus women and you have a few reliable ones in your rolodex it's a lot easier to walk away.

Well said brother.

[TheTrackStar]

I don't understand the difficulties with not having that ability. Many girls rely on that tactic, especially those who download fake photos. I have remained with some even though they posted fake photos cause they were still hot and resembled the photos. I learned some prefer not to show themselves on the internet, which is understandable. But this is my money paying for a commodity that is abundant. They need me more than I need them. Though, a waste of time, I'd rather be happy leaving with my money than to be pissed off at losing it for poor service or worse, being robbed.

IMO, it's because most guys never get laid so they don't have it in them to say no and walk away. When you have been with 100 plus women and you have a few reliable ones in your rolodex it's a lot easier to walk away.

[Concupiscent69]

Well I will applaud you for having a backbone and being willing to walk away. Too many guys say "fuck it I'm here" and hope for the best.

I don't understand the difficulties with not having that ability. Many girls rely on that tactic, especially those who download fake photos. I have remained with some even though they posted fake photos cause they were still hot and resembled the photos. I learned some prefer not to show themselves on the internet, which is understandable. But this is my money paying for a commodity that is abundant. They need me more than I need them. Though, a waste of time, I'd rather be happy leaving with my money than to be pissed off at losing it for poor service or worse, being robbed.

[TheTrackStar]

Exactly. If someone visits with the appearance of a pimp, ghetto thug or anything along the lines of shady, that % drops to probably 0. If someone comes across with respect, well groomed, have a level of sophistication and a trustworthy appearance, not many, if any, will refuse unless, as you stated, their intent is to rob you.

I would guess at 70%? You have to used a strong pimp hand. Tell them you've been robbed and scammed too often and that's how it's going to be. Show the money if you must but that's it. Most will be ok with it unless you look like a scammer. The ones that are not ok with it are mostly likely to rob you, cheat you out of time, or worse.

Well maybe being a clean cut honest looking guy has it's advantages, I've never had a SP willing to let me pay after.

[TheTrackStar]

Though not directed to me, I would say, since I began this method, about 90%. I recall one gal who said noway and I said goodbye.

Just like any negotiating tactic, one must be willing to walk away when they don't agree with the results.

Well I will applaud you for having a backbone and being willing to walk away. Too many guys say "fuck it I'm here" and hope for the best.

[TheTrackStar]

Re #1, the App is downloaded anonymously if you use a VPN. It also isn't associated with a phone number until you pick one.

Re #2 It is possible to have a WiFi connection from your car, whether a Chevy or Mercedes.

There are apps which use your cell phone and actually itemize calls on your bill. Avoid those. I use TextFree by Pinger.

I suspect if massive resources are available, you can be identified. Just remember it's a misdemeanor.

I moved this to the general reports thread to keep from hijacking (going off topic) the escort thread.

1 - Even with a VPN you're still downloading it to your contract phone (the app it's self is still attached to your contract phone).

2 - Using your cars WiFi is just another added expense and another way for LE to find their way to your front door.

3 - Free apps (text and VPN) are the biggest PITA IMO. Paying for a WiFi and a VPN will cost 10 to 15 dollars a month and that's if you pay for 3 years upfront.

4 - This something that we can both agree on, it's a misdemeanor so LE isn't really going to invest the time and money to find you because you got a blowy from some crackhead named Sky in a cheap notel room. But let me ask you this, lets say something bad happened to Sky (the escort) after you left the room. Something like her pimp beating her to death or maybe she OD's, it's possible right? Now if heaven forbid that poor hooker did pass away, would you want the last number in her phone to be a number that could be traced back to you? Remember now it's a felony so LE just might put the time and money into finding you.

Again I'm not saying my way is better, I'm just saying it's better for me.

Safe Hunting.

[BzerkleyRich]

Anyone know any motels that offer short stay up in southfield royal oak area? Someplace that isn't a fleabag?

Garden Inn. On Groesbeck is by far the best in both cost and cleanliness. 32xx4 Groesbeck.

[Concupiscent69]

Here's my take. While we have been all discussing the dangers of paying up front, I try to avoid this practice due to motivation.

My reason is psychological. I feel the service is better when you pay after a date than if you pay up front. The girls seem to loose their incentive for providing anything exceptional once the money is in their pocket. Even with established friends, I continue to pay after. I certainly tell them what they will get, and pay them what we agreed on at the end, but I keep the money until the deed is done. Over the years I have noticed better dates, longer dates, more effort and motivation using this method.

I cringe whenever they ask for it up front, feeling it will likely be a subpar appointment, and I'm usually correct. I certainly have had exceptions. And I've had friends that I've REGULARLY paid up front (after years of service) that always went without a hitch, but those seem to the exception, not the rule. In the end, I feel it serves as somewhat of a 'carrot on a stick' so to speak, to do a job well.

Just my thoughts.

Well said and very true. The mind is an interesting puzzle but one thing is with certainty, when someone is required to earn their keep, the performance increases. If they ask up front, I will not do so and explain why it is. If after that they refuse, I say thank you and leave. The gal who was adamant with no way also tried to get me to pay her $20 for wasting her time. LOL. I walked out and said "good luck with that" (my catchphrase).

[FunnyBoner]

Here's my take. While we have been all discussing the dangers of paying up front, I try to avoid this practice due to motivation.

My reason is psychological. I feel the service is better when you pay after a date than if you pay up front. The girls seem to loose their incentive for providing anything exceptional once the money is in their pocket. Even with established friends, I continue to pay after. I certainly tell them what they will get, and pay them what we agreed on at the end, but I keep the money until the deed is done. Over the years I have noticed better dates, longer dates, more effort and motivation using this method.

I cringe whenever they ask for it up front, feeling it will likely be a subpar appointment, and I'm usually correct. I certainly have had exceptions. And I've had friends that I've REGULARLY paid up front (after years of service) that always went without a hitch, but those seem to the exception, not the rule. In the end, I feel it serves as somewhat of a 'carrot on a stick' so to speak, to do a job well.

Just my thoughts.

[Concupiscent69]

I would guess at 70%? You have to used a strong pimp hand. Tell them you've been robbed and scammed too often and that's how it's going to be. Show the money if you must but that's it. Most will be ok with it unless you look like a scammer. The ones that are not ok with it are mostly likely to rob you, cheat you out of time, or worse.

Exactly. If someone visits with the appearance of a pimp, ghetto thug or anything along the lines of shady, that % drops to probably 0. If someone comes across with respect, well groomed, have a level of sophistication and a trustworthy appearance, not many, if any, will refuse unless, as you stated, their intent is to rob you.

[Jd2011]

I would guess at 70%? You have to used a strong pimp hand. Tell them you've been robbed and scammed too often and that's how it's going to be. Show the money if you must but that's it. Most will be ok with it unless you look like a scammer. The ones that are not ok with it are mostly likely to rob you, cheat you out of time, or worse.

What percentage of escorts (escorts, not SW, strippers, UTRs, etc) do you feel let you pay them after services?

[RayLatoole]

Thanks Geralda but we are talking about escorts you have never meet before (first date).

Agree with Geralda. I suppose if the women you see are strung out they're paranoid and want their mo eh now. Go with a higher class of provider and you won't be paying up front.

[Concupiscent69]

What percentage of escorts (escorts, not SW, strippers, UTRs, etc) do you feel let you pay them after services?

Though not directed to me, I would say, since I began this method, about 90%. I recall one gal who said noway and I said goodbye.

Just like any negotiating tactic, one must be willing to walk away when they don't agree with the results.

[Concupiscent69]

You could have a hundred meets, but you have that one that goes bad that could cost you your wallet or even your life. Trust me when I first got in The hobby, I've been robbed trying to meet up with a provider, and also handcuffed by LEO, had my wallet grabbed twice when I ran across one unexpectedly and didn't make the effort to put my wallet in my trunk, luckily I got them back both times. Had the last incident with Deanna Jo setting me up with a black guy, her new pimp I guess, and had to leave my donation and get the hell out of there. You said outcalls but I don't know if you're referring to incalls, as they're the most dangerous. Outcalls, You can control the situation better but still not guaranteed as I had others play games, grab your donation and head out the door and jump in the car with somebody. With incalls, they are in total control. Just go back and read the ripoff reports and you'll see that most are probably ones that parked in their spot where they recommended or went to their place (The worst one it's a bando) or to their notel. Be careful and safe out there because I think things are getting really desperate for these providers to control their habit.

You could also have a million miles traveled and never had an accident until the one that puts a major impact on your life. You can also do many things in life perfectly and that one will not be so. In other words, life is a risk and so is this hobby / habit. Each gal is different and each of us handle issues differently. I'm aware of my capabilities and how to handle myself, therefore, I assume the risks accordingly for me. You each have to calculate your own risk and determine if it's something you want to follow through.

[TheTrackStar]

Twice I've had to run down from my apartment to pay outcall visitors. Hey, you forget the money. Of course there are girls you can pay after. (But why?) The ones you know and trust, know and trust you too.

Thanks Geralda but we are talking about escorts you have never meet before (first date).