Massage Parlor Reports

[DangerBoy]

Your fundamental error is that you're looking at this strictly through the lens of a consumer. But you're not looking at it through the lens of the someone who's on the supply end.

You're working under the assumption that all women in this line of work want to line up back-to-back appointments for eight hours straight and be available on call 24/7. Or that the Honolulu market is like the NYC market. They don't and they aren't.

The NYC market favors overnighters. A typical girl in the NYC charges $2. 5 K to $6 K for an 8- to 10-hour overnighter. She gets fed at a nice restaurant, gets taken to a nice hotel, probably gets room service before the appointment ends for breakfast. Plus she's tipped (yep, that $2. 5 K to $6 K was just the going rate, not the "tip".) I'd be very surprised if she did BBFS or greek.

Same girl tours in Vegas. The Vegas market favors dinner dates that run 3 to 4 hours. And yes, those dates have to include a meal in a restaurant. Typical cost for these dates range from $600 to $900. Again, she gets taken to a nice restaurant, outcall to a nice casino on the strip or off-strip.

Same girl comes to the Honolulu market. She has to deal with guys who want to fuck her bareback and up the ass. Plus, if she's on premises at the AMP, she's waking up every hour for some lineup that a drunk guy who's just stumbled in from the strip clubs or wherever at oh-dark-thirty.

So let's assume the girl at the AMP in Honolulu books eight hours a day. That's $1,200 (for $150/hr for 8 hours). Let's say those eight hours are booked with guys who frequent this site and fuck her the way they write about. Well, her pussy's banged up, bruised and seriously, her pussy needs to be iced down. Probably her ass too. That is seriously a thing for girls that do marathon hard fuckings. She's also not going to be in any shape to fuck the next day, at the very least. So averaged out over time, she's making less upfront and less over time because she has to take time off to work because of "volume".

And even if she isn't fucking back-to-back local equivalents of Rocco Siffredi, the consensus seems to be that the guys here fuck hard. Lots of wear and tear for not much money.

Also, take into account that according to many of the anecdotal reports here, much of the more recognizable AMP girls didn't live here. They either came back and forth between Asia or the mainland US. If the money was that good in the "volume" end of the equation, they'd want to be as close to all that income as frequently as possible.

Meanwhile, in NYC, the same girl's made $2. 5 K to $6 K for maybe a few hours of actual fucking, in Vegas maybe an hour or two of actual fucking, and she's in good shape to do it again the next day. She has time for herself, to go to the gym and make sure she's taking care of herself and her body. She is not dealing in "volume".

I can sell a burger for $36 in NYC or $12 in Hawaii. But I only have one burger. Where am I going to sell that burger? NYC, of course. Only instead of "burgers" these women sell time. There's only 24 hours that they can sell, and they can't sell all 24 hours. Also, the time of a young good-looking Asian woman is a very finite resource.

A young, good-looking 18-to-20-something woman of East Asian heritage can basically write her own ticket in the porn industry because they're in that much demand and they generate that much business. White boys LOVE asian women. This is true for providers in NYC, this is true in LA, this is true in Vegas, this is true in Dallas, this is true in Kansas City and so on. They are not for wont for someplace to sell their pussy, (To be fair, this is true of any young, good-looking woman in this game.).

If the only consideration was volume, we'd be up to our assholes in young Asian women lining up to work in the AMPs. They wouldn't just be from Korea and China, they'd be Asian girls born in the US, and even local girls. But there aren't. Because this isn't just a game of how many guys you can bang in a day, this is a game how much money you can make. Anyone would make more money with less effort instead of making less money for more effort. And Hawaii is on the "less money, more effort" end of that graph.

So why did they come to Hawaii? As others have pointed out, law enforcement was fairly laissez-faire. Everyone knew what the AMPs were, everyone knew what happened in the AMPs, but no one cared. You could essentially have a nice working vacation if you came out here. Also, don't discount the tourist traffic. I'm sure they aren't paying HF+tip.

What changed? Who knows. "Human trafficking" grants, probably, as the war on human trafficking seems to be the new war on drugs.

But COVID-19 is a real thing. It's going to be an extinction-level event for small businesses, and AMPs are really small businesses. Unemployment here is the highest in the country. Tourism isn't going to come back soon.

That is why the sex industry is about to collapse here. It was not because the money was good. It was not because they liked the guys in Hawaii in particular. It's because the policy pulled the only leg out from why a girl would come here (a place they could work with little worry about being thrown in jail) and the virus killed off disposable income here.

You pay more, you get get more. More younger younger girls, more service, more girls to choose from, period. You might not want to pay NYC prices for a burger, but NYC will pay those prices. Honolulu currently has about 477,092 males. The greater NYC area has about 9. 3 million men. Even if you take into account that only a percentage of that population sees hookers, it's way more than Honolulu. And if you take into account the number of people out that population making more than, let's say, $300 K a year, you're still coming out ahead of of the monger population here. So if you wanted to play the volume game, Hawaii would still come out way, way behind.

$36 dollar for gourmet burger in New York, $12 bucks here. No way we going pay New York prices for shit because we no make the big bucks like those in New York. If girls think they going get $600 to fuck in Hawaii they fucking dreaming. Price is what market will bare, LOL.

Girls smarter enough to know different locations will get different rates. Hawaii is a gold mine of volume fucking like at Empire--fucking from 8 am all rooms busy all girls fucking running from one fucking dick to another, LOL volume, baby. 150 a cum shot.

[DaViper]

Has anyone gone to CC in the last 2 weeks? A friend of mine lives in the CC and says there alot of guys downstairs now that looks like undercover cops not sure how he knows what undercover cops look like but he did tell me the guy at the front desk told him he did see 3 guys out of uniform cuffing someone and walking him to a police car. Just was wondering if anyone went if they saw guys just sitting down or standing around watching who gets into elevator.

[ClaraForever]

$36 dollar for gourmet burger in New York, $12 bucks here. No way we going pay New York prices for shit because we no make the big bucks like those in New York. If girls think they going get $600 to fuck in Hawaii they fucking dreaming. Price is what market will bare, LOL.

Girls smarter enough to know different locations will get different rates. Hawaii is a gold mine of volume fucking like at Empire--fucking from 8 am all rooms busy all girls fucking running from one fucking dick to another, LOL volume, baby. 150 a cum shot.

AMP is like small cruiseship inside.

Confined spaces and no natural ventilation. Air conditioner, heater can be perfect method to spread virus.

If AMP must empty used room for 3 hr (virus will run away if that space have big windows after 3 hrs), much less profit.

And do you think workers really use protecting tools with new customers for regular old mongers?

South Korea has second spike from night clubs.

Singapore from foreign workers residential that scarily look like AMP inside.

Again covid 19 is not hurting young ones under 55 that much.

This lock down is bs forcing young generation into bankruptcy to make baby boomers (who enjoyed all happy youth time in prosperous era) last their greedy old breath.

When old one who will get pension giggle young hotties will come to prostitution owing to recession, do not expect young kids will take this bs lock down only to make oldies safer.

[LeftRight]

No, not even at the $500 and $600 level.

In the Bay Area some Chinese providers would do that for for a little bit more.

160 for msog.

Koreans rates 200-250.

[Incogfilipino]

Do young performers on the mainland include bbfscip regularly in their act?

No, not even at the $500 and $600 level.

[LocaLoppa]

$36 dollar for gourmet burger in New York, $12 bucks here. No way we going pay New York prices for shit because we no make the big bucks like those in New York. If girls think they going get $600 to fuck in Hawaii they fucking dreaming. Price is what market will bare, LOL.

Girls smarter enough to know different locations will get different rates. Hawaii is a gold mine of volume fucking like at Empire--fucking from 8 am all rooms busy all girls fucking running from one fucking dick to another, LOL volume, baby. 150 a cum shot.

If the price rate is just like NY, bunch of 20 something model-level girls (Asian, white, black all) will eager to come here.

(I don't complain Hawaii price at call cause I know my success rate for one night stand would be low when young tall haole boy and fashionable Japanese tourist is competing and date costs more than 200,250 till sex).

When many of old AMP girls don't repeat coming saying Hawaii scene is too cheap and too difficult to manage, who will come?

There was one big privilege here before. No harsh raid as many of mainland government does. Putting all people into detention center first and indict first. Or sending them into ice detention center first. Later girls will find their mug shot with prostitute record when they google their name and area.

[Ajarn]

If you're someone complaining about that, you know that the reason why so few young hot chicks are working in these AMPs is because they're in cities like LA, NYC and everywhere inbetween, where they can make more for doing less. Trust me, they are not doing BBFSCIP for $200.

Somehow the subject of the dearth of young providers in 808 came up while I was with one of the younger AMP all-stars. She said they're plenty of young providers on the mainland, but they're reluctant to come here because they've heard of Hawaii's reputation. And that is the guys here expect (demand) too much, like Greek trips, BBFS, et. There was no mention of money.

I have no experience on the mainland but my guess is that anyone coming here knows what market price to expect, that the cost of living is high and wages are low.

Do young performers on the mainland include bbfscip regularly in their act?

[RonMexico1980]

Anything beyond 12 nautical miles is outside of U.S. jurisdiction.

Any boat with a USA Country of origin is subject to US law no matter how far you go. 12 miles or 1200 miles off coast you get caught arranging large scale prostition and you are going to US jail.

Now if you have a boat registered in the Netherlands and you are 12 miles off coast of hawaii you can fill that boat with as many hookers, johns, drugs and $ as you want.

Many years ago I had a contact in Japan working in buy me drinky bar and floated the idea of a luxury bang boat fishing tour here. Went as far as to hire a lawyer to draw up agreement with yacht owner in Mexico. Owner backed out last minute. Would have been a fun business to try and start.

If any of you know a foreign yacht owner with at least 6 cabins I would be interested in giving it another go. Open to partnership.

[NevaEnuf]

I guess if I put some effort into my game, I could have a fairly good success rate with tourist chicks.

But that being said, I've always looked at paying for it as something like the Konami code in video games. Unlocks all kinds of pussy for the minimum amount of effort. And yeah, I'm paying for it, but if you're a guy you're always paying for it.

The one benefit of paying for it, over working for it, is that you can get exactly what you want.

I learned the hard way but now.

If it flies, floats or f. , rent it.

[DangerBoy]

I guess if I put some effort into my game, I could have a fairly good success rate with tourist chicks.

But that being said, I've always looked at paying for it as something like the Konami code in video games. Unlocks all kinds of pussy for the minimum amount of effort. And yeah, I'm paying for it, but if you're a guy you're always paying for it.

The one benefit of paying for it, over working for it, is that you can get exactly what you want.

(*I don't complain Hawaii price at call cause I know my success rate for one night stand would be low when young tall haole boy and fashionable Japanese tourist is competing and date costs more than 200,250 till sex). *.

Such a Valid point.

[ToniMulato]

(*I don't complain Hawaii price at call cause I know my success rate for one night stand would be low when young tall haole boy and fashionable Japanese tourist is competing and date costs more than 200,250 till sex). *.

Such a Valid point.

[LocaLoppa]

Still get pussy for two bucks, been for decades, and will continue. Easy two bucks, grand a day for ladies. Get plenty bros still fucking pros today, girls busy.

[ClaraForever]

Nature abhors a vacuum.

Women will come in to fill that void because there's money to be made. Maybe they're been laid off and need the money. Maybe they're already working girls, and they figure basing themselves here is as good a place as anywhere. Maybe they're college grads and literally facing the worst job market ever.

But I think the days of $Tip + HF are coming to an end, if they're not dead. And seriously, this was long overdue. $200 buys you a smile and kind word anywhere else in the country, and yeah, I know, people are going to go on about how much more expensive everything else is here, but did you really those rates are sustainable?

On one hand, the guys admonish anyone who pays more than $200, even to indies. OTOH, they complain about the same women working in the AMPs, and why aren't there more younger women here and so on.

If you're someone complaining about that, you know that the reason why so few young hot chicks are working in these AMPs is because they're in cities like LA, NYC and everywhere in between, where they can make more for doing less. Trust me, they are not doing BBFSCIP for $200.

If the price rate is just like NY, bunch of 20 something model-level girls (Asian, white, black all) will eager to come here.

(I don't complain Hawaii price at call cause I know my success rate for one night stand would be low when young tall haole boy and fashionable Japanese tourist is competing and date costs more than 200,250 till sex).

When many of old AMP girls don't repeat coming saying Hawaii scene is too cheap and too difficult to manage, who will come?

There was one big privilege here before. No harsh raid as many of mainland government does. Putting all people into detention center first and indict first. Or sending them into ice detention center first. Later girls will find their mug shot with prostitute record when they google their name and area.

[MasterChief69]

Enough with the Nostradamus shit, keep it to reports ffs.

[DangerBoy]

Nature abhors a vacuum.

Women will come in to fill that void because there's money to be made. Maybe they're been laid off and need the money. Maybe they're already working girls, and they figure basing themselves here is as good a place as anywhere. Maybe they're college grads and literally facing the worst job market ever.

But I think the days of $Tip + HF are coming to an end, if they're not dead. And seriously, this was long overdue. $200 buys you a smile and kind word anywhere else in the country, and yeah, I know, people are going to go on about how much more expensive everything else is here, but did you really those rates are sustainable?

On one hand, the guys admonish anyone who pays more than $200, even to indies. OTOH, they complain about the same women working in the AMPs, and why aren't there more younger women here and so on.

If you're someone complaining about that, you know that the reason why so few young hot chicks are working in these AMPs is because they're in cities like LA, NYC and everywhere inbetween, where they can make more for doing less. Trust me, they are not doing BBFSCIP for $200.

Thailand government announced their economy that hugely rely on tourism will not be the same in two years. It will take at least two years ONLY IF tourists can go back to pre-virus life with extra money for tourism. Hawaii may be on the same boat.

No money no honey.

And a few who plan to come to hawaii decided they will reject anyone (though he is so influential in this biz) that ask kiss, bb service and table shower. And some will change their way into more mainland style. Less tip but shorter time-more protective way.

And no mamasan. All will be like chichis way, american style.

Some matured superstars will retire.

There will be a few in their 30's and early 40's (relatively safe age for coronavirus) to come back soon. But they may be quite picky. Will choose younger guys that prefer lower tip instead of short boom boom and safe play.