Massage Parlor Reports

[Member #6476]

I don't post every encounter as I should but this was my second time seeing Mickey and she is amazing. I know these girls are paid to act but she is not only the hottest little package I have ever seen at an AMP but she makes you feel like she is in love with you. Any mongers out there need to run to see her asap. On a side note while I was with her today, I asked her about Jenny and she said she was on vacation. Also the mamasan is super hot, anybody have any luck with her?

[Dr Willy]

The is no secret about what happened to Cherry Blossom. Go look at articles in the paper. Kim, her sister, her husband and another man, all arrested under RICO. Over $300k from bank accts, 40k in cash hidden in a car and gold bars confiscated.

Back at the time (2017 if I recall correctly), I searched and searched for some kind of news reports and didn't find any. Then I got bored and quit even thinking about it. I think I *DO* read this thread pretty thoroughly and, while I may well have missed it, I don't recall seeing any summary report here, even as much as you just reported, so thanks for the info.

When I "go look at articles in the paper", as suggested, I see that this only got reported just in December of 2019, like TWO YEARS after closure. I found this link when Googling the phrase "Cherry Blossom RICO arrest":

https://www.dailypress.com/os-ne-ly-...kk4-story.html

That article (dated 12/6/2019) appears to be written as NEW information as of publishing date. If that's accurate, then I assume the details were (understandably) kept under wraps until the prosecution had their case fully assembled.

While interesting, that's all still ancient history (2017) and doesn't appear to be focused on clients, nor even the providers for that matter. I still don't see how any of that could be related to LE doing harrassent stops of clients at KMS or NDS today. That just makes no sense that LE would be SO obvious if they really had anything on the establishments themselves. If one wanted to really stretch one's imagination, I suppose one theory could be that LE is attempting to dry up their cash-flow for purposes of "tracking" existing assets, or something like that. Like I said originally... totally irresponsible speculation! I should just keep that crap for my Perry Mason script/screenplay!

Let's all go back to talking about the Sheriff Elections and note that the Sheriff in Lake County is apparently running UNOPPOSED (must be a swell guy) with no motivation to conduct this type of LE work, although I think that's an "AMP-wasteland". Meanwhile, Seminole County incumbant Sheriff (Republican) only has one opponent (Democrat), so the August 18th Primary is meaningless there and the November general election will be the culmination of their attention-grabbing activities.

[MedellinMike]

The is no secret about what happened to Cherry Blossom. Go look at articles in the paper. Kim, her sister, her husband and another man, all arrested under RICO. Over $300k from bank accts, 40k in cash hidden in a car and gold bars confiscated.

That was big news, no mystery at all. She is a little Vietnamese viper. Has not gone to trial yet, won't be surprised to see her drag down as many girls as she can with her or try to bargain her way out by throwing someone under the bus. Never liked her. Think she is a snake.

[Barolo]

I really hesitate to add to this churn that gets everybody all upset, anxious, and most likely needlessly nervous, but here I go:

While LE reports have focused on just ONE ownership chain in Orlando (NDS/KMS/King), the observations about Sheriff elections may be relevant across the two counties involved. A little light research on the Osceola County Sheriff Election indicates that (in my WAY less than expert analysis), of the four candidates, two of them seem viable. Of those two, one is the single term incumbant and seems to get a lot of criticism in media and from other LE groups for being inexperienced, borderline ineffective, and demonstrating ineffective leadership among the deputies, while the main contender looks to be more qualified, more organized, more thoughtful in his positions on various aspects of running the office. Both candidates are Democrat with no other party on the ballot, which means the August 18th Primary is the defacto decision point for who get's the job. If ANY of that is even close to the actual competitive situation, it would seem to mean there's a real battle for the hearts-n-minds (and votes) of the electorate. A "crack-down" on AMP's would seem to be a logical side-effect of this. I didn't bother to look into the Orange County Sheriff's election beyond the fact there are FIVE candidates on the ballot. ALL are Democrat, with the same deal here that the August 18th Primary will be the end of the "campaigning" (and hopefully the end of the urge to demonstrate 'street toughness' with AMP crack-downs).

Elections aside, the Kraft-debacle relied on what has turned out to be pretty much illegal surveilance cameras (or at least pretty much thrown out as evidence) that were placed under a "bomb threat" ruse, whereby LE gained access to physically place their cameras. I trust (perhaps recklessly) that ALL AMP owners are "on" to any little trick like that by now, so I believe that there is minimal risk that there will be any video evidence, legal or not, in play with the current situation around Orlando. One point made below that, whether LE behaves 'legally' or not, or plays 'fairly' or not, if they find some reason to start arresting mongers, only to cut them lose later, that little tour through the County Criminal Justice System still bears potential negative consequences for lots of guys.

What I haven't seen anyone irresponsibly speculate about yet is the fact that the current "lead" managers of the NDS/KMS/King/et.al. chain, being Yuki and Mona, were long time highly experienced staff employees at the now closed Cherry Blossom AMP on North Bumby. THAT place was closed down under a cloud of mystery (at least I don't recall seeing any reliable explanation) with some members here even reporting that they witnessed a swarm of SWAT vehicles descend on the place with helmuted, flack-jacketed, long-gun bearing, commandos running all around. Whether that description was accurately rendered or not, the fact appears to remain that NONE of the activity surrounding the raid and closure appeared anywhere in local news media. When does THAT ever happen!? I'm sort of guessing that there MAY possibly be SOME members here who have a close enough relationship with Yuki and/or Mona to have discreetly asked them just what the heck went on there and gotten some sort of explantion, which that member may well have vowed not to disclose, and I don't dispute anyone's right to keep such information confidential, but a little hint would at least go a long way to dispell any wild rumors about that situation. Back on topic, and without benefit of knowing ANYTHING about what actually went down at Cherry Blossom, an irresponsible and speculative gossip might wonder if there was some kind of tax issue, or 'organized crime' situation at Cherry Blossom with some higher level people targeted for arrest/capture (i.e. NOT the girls and certainly not the customers). If THAT were true, then *PERHAPS* some of those targeted high level people evaded capture and have now burrowed deeper into the woodwork (to avoid detection) but are STILL involved in financially backing the operations ostensibly "run" by Yuki and Mona. If LE were to become aware, or even incorrectly conclude, that NDS/KMS/King are a resurrection of whatever was going on at Cherry Blossom that warranted the raid and closure, they might be expected to apply focus accordingly.

The point of that last paragraph boils down to simply identifying a common thread (Yuki and Mona) between two situations where LE was involved. In the case of Cherry Blossom, we all know the result (closure) if not the actual circumstances. Extrapolation of that situation, taking into account that common thread, may make one wonder if the same thing will end up being the result in the curent situation. What occurs to me is that traffic stops are NOT the way (in my opinion) for LE to discreetly go about any sort of investigation of such things, so this probably isn't a consideration here.

Gee. This is fun! Fiction can be so enthralling! I should write a screenplay treatment for the 3rd season of the revived Perry Mason on HBO!

The is no secret about what happened to Cherry Blossom. Go look at articles in the paper. Kim, her sister, her husband and another man, all arrested under RICO. Over $300k from bank accts, 40k in cash hidden in a car and gold bars confiscated.

[Dr Willy]

I really hesitate to add to this churn that gets everybody all upset, anxious, and most likely needlessly nervous, but here I go:

While LE reports have focused on just ONE ownership chain in Orlando (NDS/KMS/King), the observations about Sheriff elections may be relevant across the two counties involved. A little light research on the Osceola County Sheriff Election indicates that (in my WAY less than expert analysis), of the four candidates, two of them seem viable. Of those two, one is the single term incumbant and seems to get a lot of criticism in media and from other LE groups for being inexperienced, borderline ineffective, and demonstrating ineffective leadership among the deputies, while the main contender looks to be more qualified, more organized, more thoughtful in his positions on various aspects of running the office. Both candidates are Democrat with no other party on the ballot, which means the August 18th Primary is the defacto decision point for who get's the job. If ANY of that is even close to the actual competitive situation, it would seem to mean there's a real battle for the hearts-n-minds (and votes) of the electorate. A "crack-down" on AMP's would seem to be a logical side-effect of this. I didn't bother to look into the Orange County Sheriff's election beyond the fact there are FIVE candidates on the ballot. ALL are Democrat, with the same deal here that the August 18th Primary will be the end of the "campaigning" (and hopefully the end of the urge to demonstrate 'street toughness' with AMP crack-downs).

Elections aside, the Kraft-debacle relied on what has turned out to be pretty much illegal surveilance cameras (or at least pretty much thrown out as evidence) that were placed under a "bomb threat" ruse, whereby LE gained access to physically place their cameras. I trust (perhaps recklessly) that ALL AMP owners are "on" to any little trick like that by now, so I believe that there is minimal risk that there will be any video evidence, legal or not, in play with the current situation around Orlando. One point made below that, whether LE behaves 'legally' or not, or plays 'fairly' or not, if they find some reason to start arresting mongers, only to cut them lose later, that little tour through the County Criminal Justice System still bears potential negative consequences for lots of guys.

What I haven't seen anyone irresponsibly speculate about yet is the fact that the current "lead" managers of the NDS/KMS/King/et.al. chain, being Yuki and Mona, were long time highly experienced staff employees at the now closed Cherry Blossom AMP on North Bumby. THAT place was closed down under a cloud of mystery (at least I don't recall seeing any reliable explanation) with some members here even reporting that they witnessed a swarm of SWAT vehicles descend on the place with helmuted, flack-jacketed, long-gun bearing, commandos running all around. Whether that description was accurately rendered or not, the fact appears to remain that NONE of the activity surrounding the raid and closure appeared anywhere in local news media. When does THAT ever happen!? I'm sort of guessing that there MAY possibly be SOME members here who have a close enough relationship with Yuki and/or Mona to have discreetly asked them just what the heck went on there and gotten some sort of explantion, which that member may well have vowed not to disclose, and I don't dispute anyone's right to keep such information confidential, but a little hint would at least go a long way to dispell any wild rumors about that situation. Back on topic, and without benefit of knowing ANYTHING about what actually went down at Cherry Blossom, an irresponsible and speculative gossip might wonder if there was some kind of tax issue, or 'organized crime' situation at Cherry Blossom with some higher level people targeted for arrest/capture (i.e. NOT the girls and certainly not the customers). If THAT were true, then *PERHAPS* some of those targeted high level people evaded capture and have now burrowed deeper into the woodwork (to avoid detection) but are STILL involved in financially backing the operations ostensibly "run" by Yuki and Mona. If LE were to become aware, or even incorrectly conclude, that NDS/KMS/King are a resurrection of whatever was going on at Cherry Blossom that warranted the raid and closure, they might be expected to apply focus accordingly.

The point of that last paragraph boils down to simply identifying a common thread (Yuki and Mona) between two situations where LE was involved. In the case of Cherry Blossom, we all know the result (closure) if not the actual circumstances. Extrapolation of that situation, taking into account that common thread, may make one wonder if the same thing will end up being the result in the curent situation. What occurs to me is that traffic stops are NOT the way (in my opinion) for LE to discreetly go about any sort of investigation of such things, so this probably isn't a consideration here.

Gee. This is fun! Fiction can be so enthralling! I should write a screenplay treatment for the 3rd season of the revived Perry Mason on HBO!

[Grain 56]

I agree that it is more election related than anything. If you see an uptick in SW arrests, escort stings and Johns being arrested, then there's no doubt the sheriff will be feeding off the free publicity given for arresting so many hardened criminals! If you check the Grey Bar Resort's guest list though, there haven't been too many Prostitution Arrests in Orange County in the past 6 months, a hand full and that's it covering Male and Female. The odd part is, for the spas, they usually want the owners arrested and then to save all the sex slave (their words, not mine) workers, they are usually not after the patrons. I think it's just an intimidation move or they are trying to gather intel from loose lipped patrons.

Just keep your eyes open and follow all street / driving laws and rules when leaving. Don't give away free info if you are pulled over and keep your mouth SHUT. The coming weeks will tell if we will see more LEO activity to pick up so re-election chances are greater. Also happens before big events in town (sports, conventions, etc.) to "clean up the city beautiful".

My opinion.

Grain 56.

Don't forget that the Sheriff is up for re-election. The primary election is August 18th. Asian massage parlors are like low hanging fruit and the media always runs with it.

I'm always a little more careful prior to elections for Mayors, Sheriffs, and City Attorneys.

I agree with this assessment - 1 or 2 guys getting stopped is just random, but this could be part of a larger operation to try to shut these places down. LE isn't stupid, they read these forums and know what's going on. Someone may have mandated a crackdown. As always everybody has to gauge their own level of risk.

And yes Be Safe.

[VincentGambini]

As a retired LEO the guy who was arrested had a warrant on him. What goes on behind closed doors they have no idea, but they are fishing. Just give them your papers and if asked about the massage just state you have a back injury and you have to get a therapeutic massage on a regular basis to keep the pain at bay. Nothing else needs to be said. Harassment you bet, but just act as if you had left a legit spa like Hands of Stone no need to use uber or park across the street why? They have no idea what you are doing for example. You go into a bar to play some pool while inside you only consume coke or Pepsi when you leave you are stopped and tested for a DUI why? They had no idea what you were drinking it was behind closed doors you pass the test and drive on. Same thing here get your nut behind closed doors and drive on and keep mouth shut.

Last Marshall, in a typical scenario I would completely agree with you. There is obviously so much more going on. This is not just a random monger being pulled over, fishing, maybe. If this happened at one spa, I would feel differently. As everyone knows KmS, ND, King are all inter linked. They also have spas in Miami and Fort Lauderdale. Does no one find it odd that people are also getting pulled over at all their spas? Maybe that doesn't worry you bust scares the shit out of me. What makes it worse, the police have been going into these spas on a frequent basis lately. Something is up, something is about to go down or at least some agency is preparing a big case. Please give me your thoughts, you being ex law know better than me.

As a retired criminal defense attorney from the movies, I see no harm in being careful in addressing these matters. While LastMarshall is likely correct in a general sense, I'd suggest there's more to it, and more to be cautious about. First, the Robert Kraft cases down south clearly demonstrate that these sort of activities by LE can, and do, lead to arrests. While Kraft et al are currently winning the battle towards dismissal of the charges, the fact remains that they were arrested, booked into jail, had to post bond, had to retain attorneys and had their names put in the public domain for prostitution related arrests. Whether all charges are dismissed is almost irrelevant, a lot of damage to public reputation has already occurred. Second, even assuming LE in the Kraft matter acted appropriately (perhaps subject to a longer / different discussion), I don't think any of us are naive enough to believe that ALL LE act appropriately at ALL times. We've all heard stories of arrests that shouldn't have occurred, traffic stops that seemed nothing more than pretextual or people being prosecuted for bogus or at least inflated charges. These things happen. I do not want any of those things to happen to me and, in turn, I've got no problem being careful in how I conduct myself in the hobby life. After all, isn't that a huge part of why this site even exists, so we can share information and make better, smarter, decisions? The defense rests!

[RatFish]

Is everyone forgetting how things went down in south florida? They were recording for what, a week? All the while they would pull people over on their way out to match the I'd to the recording and eventually arrested everyone at a later date. Not sure how some of you are advocating to just assume this is likely nothing larger going on.

Be safe.

I agree with this assessment - 1 or 2 guys getting stopped is just random, but this could be part of a larger operation to try to shut these places down. LE isn't stupid, they read these forums and know what's going on. Someone may have mandated a crackdown. As always everybody has to gauge their own level of risk.

And yes Be Safe.

[JohnSpartan117]

Went to Bo and went right to sleep, when I woke up I had seen Linda the Colombian, got a good table shower and when we went back to the room we got right into it, she gave a nice soft massage on my back. Then on the flip she started with a CBJ And got into mish, I'd say she was a 7 out of 10 nice bolt ons, but saw the other talent and will be giving one of the other girls a try. Overall had a good time and will repeat.

[Yo Warn]

That is my thoughts exactly, it is a combination of things that worry me. Why are the police going into these spas, why do the keep checking the girls and why are they only pulling over mongers from these specific spas? In a regular situation I would not be worried, I also park up front, I have no issues running into another monger at the spa but this is different, I don't think they are looking for mongers, I think they are looking for bigger fish and throwing a wide net but there is a high probability some mongers will get caught in this net. For many mongers getting caught could be a life altering event.

Is everyone forgetting how things went down in south florida? They were recording for what, a week? All the while they would pull people over on their way out to match the I'd to the recording and eventually arrested everyone at a later date. Not sure how some of you are advocating to just assume this is likely nothing larger going on.

Be safe.

[MedellinMike]

Last Marshall, in a typical scenario I would completely agree with you. There is obviously so much more going on. This is not just a random monger being pulled over, fishing, maybe. If this happened at one spa, I would feel differently. As everyone knows KmS, ND, King are all inter linked. They also have spas in Miami and Fort Lauderdale. Does no one find it odd that people are also getting pulled over at all their spas? Maybe that doesn't worry you bust scares the shit out of me. What makes it worse, the police have been going into these spas on a frequent basis lately. Something is up, something is about to go down or at least some agency is preparing a big case. Please give me your thoughts, you being ex law know better than me.

That is my thoughts exactly, it is a combination of things that worry me. Why are the police going into these spas, why do the keep checking the girls and why are they only pulling over mongers from these specific spas? In a regular situation I would not be worried, I also park up front, I have no issues running into another monger at the spa but this is different, I don't think they are looking for mongers, I think they are looking for bigger fish and throwing a wide net but there is a high probability some mongers will get caught in this net. For many mongers getting caught could be a life altering event.

[Everlast1]

Last Marshall, in a typical scenario I would completely agree with you. There is obviously so much more going on. This is not just a random monger being pulled over, fishing, maybe. If this happened at one spa, I would feel differently. As everyone knows KmS, ND, King are all inter linked. They also have spas in Miami and Fort Lauderdale. Does no one find it odd that people are also getting pulled over at all their spas? Maybe that doesn't worry you bust scares the shit out of me. What makes it worse, the police have been going into these spas on a frequent basis lately. Something is up, something is about to go down or at least some agency is preparing a big case. Please give me your thoughts, you being ex law know better than me.

[LastMarshall]

Make no assumptions about what you observed. That could just as easily have been (and MORE likely) a guy with an unpaid parking ticket, outstanding child-support, or any of a WIDE range of other reasons a monger might have an outstanding warrant. There could not possibly have been an arrest directly connected to anything that may have gone on inside the spa, unless the guy stupidly said to the patrolman/deputy: "I was in the spa and paid a girl for sex! It was great!

I would not be surprised to learn that LE believes the monger population to be of a certain "immoral type" that they think poses a HIGHER than average percentage of people with outstanding warrants. For reason of that ill-advised belief alone, they could be trying to cherry-pick some quick and easy arrests while annoying the local AMP and trying to scare off their business as an attempt to run them out of town. If neighboring businesses or residents had actually filed a complaint, I believe more aggressive LE action would be undertaken. Absent any such complaint, LE doesn't even have probable cause to conduct a full investigation.

If LE is really simply trying to SCARE away business, that means they have NOTHING on the AMP itself, and likely no hope of actually getting anything on them. In my particular situation (not fearing a stop, and able to "plan" for an extended delay of 30 to 60 minutes), I would be inclined to keep going to KMS/NDS/King just to keep them in business until LE finds a need to move on to something more important... they don't usually keep up this type of harrassment indefinitely.

As a retired LEO the guy who was arrested had a warrant on him. What goes on behind closed doors they have no idea, but they are fishing. Just give them your papers and if asked about the massage just state you have a back injury and you have to get a therapeutic massage on a regular basis to keep the pain at bay. Nothing else needs to be said. Harassment you bet, but just act as if you had left a legit spa like Hands of Stone no need to use uber or park across the street why? They have no idea what you are doing for example. You go into a bar to play some pool while inside you only consume coke or Pepsi when you leave you are stopped and tested for a DUI why? They had no idea what you were drinking it was behind closed doors you pass the test and drive on. Same thing here get your nut behind closed doors and drive on and keep mouth shut.

[HotBoss]

I didn't think he was arrested for going to the spa, I naturally assumed he had a warrant. He definitely got pulled over from the spa. Why arrested, I have no idea. I hear you about the police having a bad opinion about us.

Don't forget that the Sheriff is up for re-election. The primary election is August 18th. Asian massage parlors are like low hanging fruit and the media always runs with it.

I'm always a little more careful prior to elections for Mayors, Sheriffs, and City Attorneys.

[Dugglc]

Take easy and cheap precautions. Get an Uber to the spa, or better yet, to a place near the spa. If you are cheap as fuck, or maybe need to avoid a significant other, drive to a parking lot near the spa and walk over.

If you are SUPER nervous drive to a busy parking lot near the spa during business hours. Go into a regular store. Leave after a few minutes and walk to the spa. Afterwards go back to the store and buy something. Then leave. Keep the receipt.

No reason to be scared of what happens outside the spa.

Q.

I never worry about going to the spas. I park right in front of the door and walk in like I own the place. I don't give 2 shits if everyone knows what I'm going in there for. If you look like you are sneaking around you just give them a reason to suspect you are up to no good. It's not like they can prove anything if they do pull you over anyway. I never have anything illegal on me, any warrants, and my car is all legal too so they can suck it.